Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 01:58:45AM -0600, Noah Duffy wrote: Sam, I went with Stable. I picked it mostly because I'm newer to Debian specifically. I also like the idea of not having to think about upgrading to a new release every 6 months. If I feel I need the latest and greatest of something, I'll just compile it myself. That's easy enough! You should look into debian-backports. It's got recent versions of various software, installable on Debian Stable. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110218205611.gc13...@aurora.owens.net
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On 02/16/2011 01:58 AM, Noah Duffy wrote: [snip] Well, I got one problem solved. Got the nVidia drivers installed with no problem at all! Using the nvidia-glx appropriate to your card? :) Excellent... My next experiment will have to be with PulseAudio. The sound isn't the biggest issue, but I would like to get it working properly. PA on Debian just seems to not always work. I purged it and use straight ALSA. Sam, I went with Stable. I picked it mostly because I'm newer to Debian specifically. I also like the idea of not having to think about upgrading to a new release every 6 months. If I feel I need the latest and greatest of something, I'll just compile it myself. That's easy enough! You'll change your mind when you get comfortable with Debian but notice that the versions are getting stale but dependency lock-in means that building big packages from upstream source doesn't always work as well as planned. No big deal, though: Sid/Unstable is a darned good home desktop distro. Thanks again for being friendly and helpful! snicker Anyhoo, good luck! I've got my wife/kids' PC running Ubuntu 10.04+ppas because even though I know *how* to configure Debian, I just don't *want* to: while I don't mind fiddling, they expect their PC to Just Work, and too much manual configuration means increased clamor for Windows. Regarding Unity, I'll eventually switch them to Xbuntu. It's Wayland that really worries me, since NVIDIA has stated they won't support it, and the Evil Blob nvidia driver is just so much better than nouveau. -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5b89f6.6000...@cox.net
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On Wednesday 16 February 2011 11:47:35 Doug wrote: You might want to look at MINT before you commit to Debian. It's derived from Ubuntu, but in general doesn't follow the craziness of Ubuntu. Like, the windows buttons are on the right, where they belong. And I doubt that they will go to some cockamamie GUI just because Ubuntu did. They seem to be a bit saner over there. I think Ubuntu is going to lose a lot of its regular users because of the way they are going and plan to go. Just my 2¢. I've switched from Ubuntu to Debian last year for the following reasons: 1. Ubuntu is too unstable, even more unstable than Debian unstable. 2. The recent versions of Kubuntu includes so much annoying things such as the turtle-slow PackageKit, the inclusion of buggy PulseAudio, etc. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On 02/16/2011 01:58 AM, Noah Duffy wrote: On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 23:55 -0600, Sam Leon wrote: I think it just depends on what you are wanting to accomplish. I left MS because their OS just tries too hard to do everything for me (and tries too hard to take my money). I left ubuntu because their OS tries too hard to do everything for me. I wrote this in 2007 because I got tired of always typing up this same story: http://net153.net/ubuntu_vs_debian.php So in summary I have been very happy using debian-testing for about 4 years now. If you go that route, just be careful of any grub, xorg, or mdadm updates :p Stable is looking pretty nice right now. I think for the first time ever I don't feel like I need to run testing in order to get the latest bug fixes, features, or compatibility updates. Everything is just really great in the linux world right now, or at least on my hardware. Sam Well, I got one problem solved. Got the nVidia drivers installed with no problem at all! :) My next experiment will have to be with PulseAudio. The sound isn't the biggest issue, but I would like to get it working properly. Sam, I went with Stable. I picked it mostly because I'm newer to Debian specifically. I also like the idea of not having to think about upgrading to a new release every 6 months. If I feel I need the latest and greatest of something, I'll just compile it myself. That's easy enough! Thanks again for being friendly and helpful! -- Noah Duffy Skype - Noah0504 | Jabber/Google Talk - n.milo.du...@gmail.com Well the main reason I use testing is because it is always under development and hence never has a release cycle. I honestly don't know how in the world my sound even works. I don't have pulseaudio or jack or any other daemons installed: user@user:~$ dpkg --get-selections |grep -i alsa gstreamer0.10-alsa install libsdl1.2debian-alsainstall libsox-fmt-alsa install user@user:~$ dpkg --get-selections |grep -i sound esound-common install lib32asound2install libasound2 install user@user:~$ I have the same set up for my desktop (audigy 2 zs) and my laptop (intel integrated sound) and I use kmix for my mixer/controller Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5c06f7.1090...@net153.net
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On Wednesday 16 February 2011 11:18:47 Sam Leon wrote: I honestly don't know how in the world my sound even works. I don't have pulseaudio or jack or any other daemons installed: ALSA is sufficient in many desktop situations. PulsaAudio has some nice stuff for sound over a network. Jack is good for low-latency effect chains. ALSA might also have problems if the hardware doesn't support multiplexing and dmix or dsnoop are not on by default. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 11:38 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 16 February 2011 11:18:47 Sam Leon wrote: I honestly don't know how in the world my sound even works. I don't have pulseaudio or jack or any other daemons installed: ALSA is sufficient in many desktop situations. PulsaAudio has some nice stuff for sound over a network. Jack is good for low-latency effect chains. ALSA might also have problems if the hardware doesn't support multiplexing and dmix or dsnoop are not on by default. We have been having mostly good results with PulseAudio. It is essential for us because of the networked sound which we use for our X2Go (www.x2go.org) desktops - John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1297881464.25342.4.ca...@denise.theartistscloset.com
Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
Hello, all. I've been an Ubuntu user for quite awhile. Linux has been my only OS for over a year now (and I've been using it on and off longer than that). I've recently gotten the itch to switch to Debian. Ubuntu has worked quite well for me, but with everything that is going on with Unity and current development, eventually I have a feeling I'm going to become slightly annoyed with what they push out in new releases. Also, I've always respected the Debian project and what they are about. Just makes me feel all warm and tingly inside. Today I tried to take the plunge. I downloaded the stable version (Squeeze), and tried to give it a go. The install went smoothly, but I have noticed two things that I am going to have to solve. The first one is the sound on my machine. I get no sound until I run alsamixer and turn up the speaker. Once done with that, my laptop speakers function quite well. However, I also have a set up wireless speakers that can operate via a Bluetooth connection or via the provided dongle. I usually use the dongle as it's always plugged into my USB hub and just makes it a lot easier. I can not get this to work under Debian. If I select the device in alsamixer, the only setting available to me is PCM and even though it is the selected device, I still get sound out of my laptop speakers. Secondly, I'm going to have to figure out exactly how to install the nVidia drivers for my video card. I've seen that I can do it manually or with the non-free repository. I haven't tried the first method, but installing nvidia-glx just seemed to cause me problems (I think this may have been the wrong package). Anyway, any help would be much appreciated. Also, let me say that so far, everyone in the Debian community seems to be a little more friendly then the Ubuntu crowd. I've been in that community for awhile and many people can be snobs which don't really help to further anything! ...of course, I guess you can get that type anywhere you go. Thanks! Noah Duffy Skype - Noah0504 | Jabber/Google Talk - n.milo.du...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTimR6KjvCM=9=3T5P9RLsqFca=z-gspnszmtg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On 02/15/2011 10:36 PM, Noah Duffy wrote: Hello, all. I've been an Ubuntu user for quite awhile. Linux has been my only OS for over a year now (and I've been using it on and off longer than that). I've recently gotten the itch to switch to Debian. Ubuntu has worked quite well for me, but with everything that is going on with Unity and current development, eventually I have a feeling I'm going to become slightly annoyed with what they push out in new releases. Also, I've always respected the Debian project and what they are about. Just makes me feel all warm and tingly inside. Today I tried to take the plunge. I downloaded the stable version (Squeeze), and tried to give it a go. The install went smoothly, but I have noticed two things that I am going to have to solve. The first one is the sound on my machine. I get no sound until I run alsamixer and turn up the speaker. Once done with that, my laptop speakers function quite well. However, I also have a set up wireless speakers that can operate via a Bluetooth connection or via the provided dongle. I usually use the dongle as it's always plugged into my USB hub and just makes it a lot easier. I can not get this to work under Debian. If I select the device in alsamixer, the only setting available to me is PCM and even though it is the selected device, I still get sound out of my laptop speakers. Secondly, I'm going to have to figure out exactly how to install the nVidia drivers for my video card. I've seen that I can do it manually or with the non-free repository. I haven't tried the first method, but installing nvidia-glx just seemed to cause me problems (I think this may have been the wrong package). Anyway, any help would be much appreciated. Also, let me say that so far, everyone in the Debian community seems to be a little more friendly then the Ubuntu crowd. I've been in that community for awhile and many people can be snobs which don't really help to further anything! ...of course, I guess you can get that type anywhere you go. Thanks! Noah Duffy Skype - Noah0504 | Jabber/Google Talk - n.milo.du...@gmail.com You might want to look at MINT before you commit to Debian. It's derived from Ubuntu, but in general doesn't follow the craziness of Ubuntu. Like, the windows buttons are on the right, where they belong. And I doubt that they will go to some cockamamie GUI just because Ubuntu did. They seem to be a bit saner over there. I think Ubuntu is going to lose a lot of its regular users because of the way they are going and plan to go. Just my 2¢. --doug Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5b48d7.1040...@optonline.net
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 02/15/2011 10:36 PM, Noah Duffy wrote: Hello, all. ?I've been an Ubuntu user for quite awhile. ?Linux has been my only OS for over a year now (and I've been using it on and off longer than that). ?I've recently gotten the itch to switch to Debian. ?Ubuntu has worked quite well for me, but with everything that is going on with Unity and current development, eventually I have a feeling I'm going to become slightly annoyed with what they push out in new releases. Also, I've always respected the Debian project and what they are about. ?Just makes me feel all warm and tingly inside. ?Today I tried to take the plunge. ?I downloaded the stable version (Squeeze), and tried to give it a go. ?The install went smoothly, but I have noticed two things that I am going to have to solve. ?The first one is the sound on my machine. ?I get no sound until I run alsamixer and turn up the speaker. ?Once done with that, my laptop speakers function quite well. ?However, I also have a set up wireless speakers that can operate via a Bluetooth connection or via the provided dongle. ?I usually use the dongle as it's always plugged into my USB hub and just makes it a lot easier. ?I can not get this to work under Debian. ?If I select the device in alsamixer, the only setting available to me is PCM and even though it is the selected device, I still get sound out of my laptop speakers. Secondly, I'm going to have to figure out exactly how to install the nVidia drivers for my video card. ?I've seen that I can do it manually or with the non-free repository. ?I haven't tried the first method, but installing nvidia-glx just seemed to cause me problems (I think this may have been the wrong package). Anyway, any help would be much appreciated. ?Also, let me say that so far, everyone in the Debian community seems to be a little more friendly then the Ubuntu crowd. ?I've been in that community for awhile and many people can be snobs which don't really help to further anything! ?...of course, I guess you can get that type anywhere you go. Thanks! Noah Duffy Skype - Noah0504 | Jabber/Google Talk - n.milo.du...@gmail.com You might want to look at MINT before you commit to Debian. ?It's derived from Ubuntu, but in general doesn't follow the craziness of Ubuntu. ?Like, the windows buttons are on the right, where they belong. ?And I doubt that they will go to some cockamamie GUI just because Ubuntu did. ?They seem to be a bit saner over there. ?I think Ubuntu is going to lose a lot of its regular users because of the way they are going and plan to go. Just my 2?. --doug Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5b48d7.1040...@optonline.net I have tried Linux Mint in the past. They do a great job of polishing their releases (but I also have a few problems with the way they're packaging works. A little confusing with all of those sources!). I also see that they have a direct Debian based release now. I wonder if that is worth trying out. It is a rolling release however. Also, I think I have a handle on which packages I need to install to get the nVidia driver up and running, but the sound issue is still beyond me. Do you think maybe installing PulseAudio may fix my problem? After all, that's what Ubuntu uses and that part has always worked for me. I really want to give Debian a go. :D I guess if I fail, then I'll go back to what I know. -- Noah Duffy Skype - Noah0504 | Jabber/Google Talk - n.milo.du...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik4w6sucq6zxfoh7yzafx6xppugvrco-f8o-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On 02/15/2011 07:36 PM, Noah Duffy wrote: Secondly, I'm going to have to figure out exactly how to install the nVidia drivers for my video card. I've seen that I can do it manually or with the non-free repository. I haven't tried the first method, but installing nvidia-glx just seemed to cause me problems (I think this may have been the wrong package). Google is your friend. Searching for: NVIDIA video driver installation notes debian squeeze I found this: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Digging through NVIDIA's web site just now, I found this: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/260.19.36/README/index.html That said, I recently installed Debian i386 5.0.8 (Lenny) on a Asus NVIDIA nForce geForce and AMD Athlon system and wanted to use NVIDIA's proprietary video driver. I've done this before, so I went to their web site, surfed around for Linux video drivers, downloaded the one for my system (NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.36.run), installed the necessary Debian packages (binutils, gcc, make, linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686), rebooted into single-user mode, set the CC environment variable (CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1), and ran the script. (Understand that it took several failed attempts to figure everything out. I keep a log.txt file for all my systems, and suggest that you do the same.) David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5b54fe.6030...@holgerdanske.com
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On 02/15/2011 09:36 PM, Noah Duffy wrote: Hello, all. I've been an Ubuntu user for quite awhile. Linux has been my only OS for over a year now (and I've been using it on and off longer than that). I've recently gotten the itch to switch to Debian. Ubuntu has worked quite well for me, but with everything that is going on with Unity and current development, eventually I have a feeling I'm going to become slightly annoyed with what they push out in new releases. Also, I've always respected the Debian project and what they are about. Just makes me feel all warm and tingly inside. Today I tried to take the plunge. I downloaded the stable version (Squeeze), and tried to give it a go. The install went smoothly, but I have noticed two things that I am going to have to solve. The first one is the sound on my machine. I get no sound until I run alsamixer and turn up the speaker. Once done with that, my laptop speakers function quite well. However, I also have a set up wireless speakers that can operate via a Bluetooth connection or via the provided dongle. I usually use the dongle as it's always plugged into my USB hub and just makes it a lot easier. I can not get this to work under Debian. If I select the device in alsamixer, the only setting available to me is PCM and even though it is the selected device, I still get sound out of my laptop speakers. Secondly, I'm going to have to figure out exactly how to install the nVidia drivers for my video card. I've seen that I can do it manually or with the non-free repository. I haven't tried the first method, but installing nvidia-glx just seemed to cause me problems (I think this may have been the wrong package). Anyway, any help would be much appreciated. Also, let me say that so far, everyone in the Debian community seems to be a little more friendly then the Ubuntu crowd. I've been in that community for awhile and many people can be snobs which don't really help to further anything! ...of course, I guess you can get that type anywhere you go. Thanks! Noah Duffy Skype - Noah0504 | Jabber/Google Talk - n.milo.du...@gmail.com I think it just depends on what you are wanting to accomplish. I left MS because their OS just tries too hard to do everything for me (and tries too hard to take my money). I left ubuntu because their OS tries too hard to do everything for me. I wrote this in 2007 because I got tired of always typing up this same story: http://net153.net/ubuntu_vs_debian.php So in summary I have been very happy using debian-testing for about 4 years now. If you go that route, just be careful of any grub, xorg, or mdadm updates :p Stable is looking pretty nice right now. I think for the first time ever I don't feel like I need to run testing in order to get the latest bug fixes, features, or compatibility updates. Everything is just really great in the linux world right now, or at least on my hardware. Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5b66c0.3050...@net153.net
Re: Trying to Switch from Ubuntu to Debian
On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 23:55 -0600, Sam Leon wrote: On 02/15/2011 09:36 PM, Noah Duffy wrote: Hello, all. I've been an Ubuntu user for quite awhile. Linux has been my only OS for over a year now (and I've been using it on and off longer than that). I've recently gotten the itch to switch to Debian. Ubuntu has worked quite well for me, but with everything that is going on with Unity and current development, eventually I have a feeling I'm going to become slightly annoyed with what they push out in new releases. Also, I've always respected the Debian project and what they are about. Just makes me feel all warm and tingly inside. Today I tried to take the plunge. I downloaded the stable version (Squeeze), and tried to give it a go. The install went smoothly, but I have noticed two things that I am going to have to solve. The first one is the sound on my machine. I get no sound until I run alsamixer and turn up the speaker. Once done with that, my laptop speakers function quite well. However, I also have a set up wireless speakers that can operate via a Bluetooth connection or via the provided dongle. I usually use the dongle as it's always plugged into my USB hub and just makes it a lot easier. I can not get this to work under Debian. If I select the device in alsamixer, the only setting available to me is PCM and even though it is the selected device, I still get sound out of my laptop speakers. Secondly, I'm going to have to figure out exactly how to install the nVidia drivers for my video card. I've seen that I can do it manually or with the non-free repository. I haven't tried the first method, but installing nvidia-glx just seemed to cause me problems (I think this may have been the wrong package). Anyway, any help would be much appreciated. Also, let me say that so far, everyone in the Debian community seems to be a little more friendly then the Ubuntu crowd. I've been in that community for awhile and many people can be snobs which don't really help to further anything! ...of course, I guess you can get that type anywhere you go. Thanks! Noah Duffy Skype - Noah0504 | Jabber/Google Talk - n.milo.du...@gmail.com I think it just depends on what you are wanting to accomplish. I left MS because their OS just tries too hard to do everything for me (and tries too hard to take my money). I left ubuntu because their OS tries too hard to do everything for me. I wrote this in 2007 because I got tired of always typing up this same story: http://net153.net/ubuntu_vs_debian.php So in summary I have been very happy using debian-testing for about 4 years now. If you go that route, just be careful of any grub, xorg, or mdadm updates :p Stable is looking pretty nice right now. I think for the first time ever I don't feel like I need to run testing in order to get the latest bug fixes, features, or compatibility updates. Everything is just really great in the linux world right now, or at least on my hardware. Sam Well, I got one problem solved. Got the nVidia drivers installed with no problem at all! :) My next experiment will have to be with PulseAudio. The sound isn't the biggest issue, but I would like to get it working properly. Sam, I went with Stable. I picked it mostly because I'm newer to Debian specifically. I also like the idea of not having to think about upgrading to a new release every 6 months. If I feel I need the latest and greatest of something, I'll just compile it myself. That's easy enough! Thanks again for being friendly and helpful! -- Noah Duffy Skype - Noah0504 | Jabber/Google Talk - n.milo.du...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1297843125.17088.8.camel@noah-laptop
