Re: installing two versions of a user application
On 2021-04-23 at 17:26 +0100, Morgan Read wrote:
> Is there any method to allow v4 and v5 to be both installed together?
Both packages have the same name, so the package manager treats them as
the same. Rename the package name of the old version (e.g. to master-
pdf-editor-4) and you should be fine.
There are probably better ways, but just listing one of them, assuming
the old file is named master-pdf-editor-4.deb for this you could do:
ar x master-pdf-editor-4.deb control.tar.gz
gzip -d control.tar.gz
tar xf control.tar ./control
sed -i '1,1 { /^Package:/{ s/$/-4/} }' control
gzip control.tar
ar r master-pdf-editor-5.7.53-qt5.x86_64.deb control.tar.gz
(this works on their v5 .deb, watch out if on your .deb, names are
slightly different, such as using xz rather than gz)
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Re: installing two versions of a user application
On 23/04/2021 6:20 pm, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I suggest you look inside those .deb files: they seem to both name the > package they install `master-pdf-editor` but dpkg does not allow > installing different versions of a given package at the same time. > So you'll need to edit those `.deb` to change the package name from > `master-pdf-editor` to (say) `master-pdf-editor4` and > `master-pdf-editor5`, for example. Thanks Stefan, I was wondering about something along those lines, but... Inside master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb I find: data.tar.xz > /./opt/master-pdf-editor-4/masterpdfeditor4 /./usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/masterpdfeditor4.png /./usr/share/applications/masterpdfeditor4.desktop And, inside master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb I find: data.tar.xz > /./opt/master-pdf-editor-5/masterpdfeditor5.sh /./opt/master-pdf-editor-5/masterpdfeditor5.png /./opt/master-pdf-editor-5/masterpdfeditor5 /./usr/share/applications/masterpdfeditor5.desktop /./usr/share/icons/hicolor/256x256/apps/masterpdfeditor5.png So, everything looks fairly well distinguished - but, I know *nothing* about packaging... Thanks <> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: installing two versions of a user application
> You probably want to look inside the control archives rather than the > data archives: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_%28file_format%29 > > If both control archive files are using a package name of > "master-pdf-editor", you can try Stefan's suggestion of renaming one > and seeing if they'll then coinstall. Exactly: the immediate problem you're encountering is that the package names themselves (regardless of the files they contain) collide. This info is the `control` part of the .deb archive. The way I do it is to use Emacs to open the `foo.deb` file. This should show you something like: MMode Size Date Filename - -- -- -rw-r--r-- 4 2021-03-01 12:23 debian-binary -rw-r--r--1128 2021-03-01 12:23 control.tar.xz -rw-r--r-- 615380 2021-03-01 12:23 data.tar.xz - -- -- 616512 3 files where the `data.tar.xz` part contains the actual files and `control.tar.xz` is the part you want to modify. So you select the `control.tar.xz` which itself will look somewhat similar and will contain a `control` which you can open and in which you'll find presumably something like: Package: master-pdf-editor [...] followed by other kinds of metainfo about the package. Just edit that first line (e.g. by adding a `4` or `5`), then do `C-x C-s` to save this `control` back into `control.tar.xz`, then kill this buffer with `C-x k RET`, then save the new `control.tar.xz` back into the actual foo.deb file with `C-x C-s`. Then retry to install those debs with: dpkg --install foo.deb I recommend you do those modifications on a copy of the file, just so its easier to recover from mistakes. Stefan
Re: installing two versions of a user application
On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 18:48:13 +0100 Morgan Read wrote: > On 23/04/2021 6:20 pm, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I suggest you look inside those .deb files: they seem to both name the > > package they install `master-pdf-editor` but dpkg does not allow > > installing different versions of a given package at the same time. > > So you'll need to edit those `.deb` to change the package name from > > `master-pdf-editor` to (say) `master-pdf-editor4` and > > `master-pdf-editor5`, for example. > > Thanks Stefan, I was wondering about something along those lines, but... > Inside master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb I find: > data.tar.xz > /./opt/master-pdf-editor-4/masterpdfeditor4 > /./usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/masterpdfeditor4.png > /./usr/share/applications/masterpdfeditor4.desktop > > And, inside master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb I find: > data.tar.xz > /./opt/master-pdf-editor-5/masterpdfeditor5.sh > /./opt/master-pdf-editor-5/masterpdfeditor5.png > /./opt/master-pdf-editor-5/masterpdfeditor5 > /./usr/share/applications/masterpdfeditor5.desktop > /./usr/share/icons/hicolor/256x256/apps/masterpdfeditor5.png > > So, everything looks fairly well distinguished - but, I know *nothing* > about packaging... You probably want to look inside the control archives rather than the data archives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_%28file_format%29 If both control archive files are using a package name of "master-pdf-editor", you can try Stefan's suggestion of renaming one and seeing if they'll then coinstall. Celejar
Re: installing two versions of a user application
On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 18:07:02 +0100 Morgan Read wrote: > On 23/04/2021 5:40 pm, Celejar wrote: > > I'll defer to those with a better understanding of the debian packaging > > system internals, and it may depend on the details of the package, but > > I'm pretty sure that there's no general way to direct dpkg to install a > > package to a location other than the one specified by the package. If > > the original packages were installable to separate directories, then it > > should be possible to modify the debian packages to work that way as > > well, but that's well above my pay grade. > > Thanks Celejar, Just to be clear: > v4 continues to install to /opt/master-pdf-editor-4; > v5 continues to install to /opt/master-pdf-editor-5. > But: > When v4 is installed, /opt/master-pdf-editor-5 is deleted; > When v5 is installed, /opt/master-pdf-editor-4 is deleted. > Under the rpm based system, both /opt/master-pdf-editor-5 and > /opt/master-pdf-editor-4 coexisted. My memory is fading... But, iirc, > it may have been the case that whenever I upgraded v5 I had to reinstall > v4 as the v5 install removed it. > > The packages that Code Industry provides are clearly designed to get rid > of v4, obviously because they now want people to buy those features. > However, installing v4 over v5 never used to remove v5... > > So, I wonder if alien might have done something in the transliteration > of the v4 rpm to cause the v4 deb to remove other versions when it > didn't as an rpm - or, is this just the mechanics of the apt system? > > Many thanks. See Stefan's answer - that's what I meant by modifying the debian packages. Celejar
Re: installing two versions of a user application
> $ sudo apt install ./master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb > ./master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Note, selecting 'master-pdf-editor' instead of > './master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb' > Note, selecting 'master-pdf-editor' instead of > './master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb' > master-pdf-editor is already the newest version (4.3.89-2). > The following packages will be upgraded: > master-pdf-editor I suggest you look inside those .deb files: they seem to both name the package they install `master-pdf-editor` but dpkg does not allow installing different versions of a given package at the same time. So you'll need to edit those `.deb` to change the package name from `master-pdf-editor` to (say) `master-pdf-editor4` and `master-pdf-editor5`, for example. Stefan "who does that kind of thing in order to install emacs25, emacs26, and emacs27 at the same time"
Re: installing two versions of a user application
On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 17:22:48 +0100 Morgan Read wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Some little time ago I made a jump from another distro into Debian. > > When I made that jump I took with me a few proprietary applications that > I make a lot of use of. One in particular is causing me a bit of a > headache - Master PDF Editor by Code Industry: > https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/ > > Master PDF Editor is now well into version 5, but when it transitioned > from v4 to v5 it left a lot of its functionality (in the no cost > version) behind. So, I'd always kept a copy of the old v4 rpm to hand > and installed alongside v5 in my old distro. Version 4 has long since > become unavailable, but I was able to make good use of alien to magic my > v4 rpm into a v4 deb. > > BUT, now I can not install both v4 and v5 alongside one another. When I > install v4, v5 is removed; when I install v5, v4 is removed. This > wasn't a problem under the old distro. Each version is installed into > its own directory, either: /opt/master-pdf-editor-4 or > /opt/master-pdf-editor-5. > > I tried to force it with the following, but... > $ sudo apt install ./master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb > ./master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Note, selecting 'master-pdf-editor' instead of > './master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb' > Note, selecting 'master-pdf-editor' instead of > './master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb' > master-pdf-editor is already the newest version (4.3.89-2). > The following packages will be upgraded: > master-pdf-editor > 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. > Need to get 0 B/28.4 MB of archives. > After this operation, 64.8 MB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n > Abort. > > Is there any method to allow v4 and v5 to be both installed together? I'll defer to those with a better understanding of the debian packaging system internals, and it may depend on the details of the package, but I'm pretty sure that there's no general way to direct dpkg to install a package to a location other than the one specified by the package. If the original packages were installable to separate directories, then it should be possible to modify the debian packages to work that way as well, but that's well above my pay grade. This does seem like a pretty good use case for containerization or virtualization. LXC (or some sort of chroot solution) in particular might be a good fit here - you get a separate filesystem, without the overhead of a full VM, which shouldn't be necessary in this case. Celejar
installing two versions of a user application
Hello Folks, Some little time ago I made a jump from another distro into Debian. When I made that jump I took with me a few proprietary applications that I make a lot of use of. One in particular is causing me a bit of a headache - Master PDF Editor by Code Industry: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/ Master PDF Editor is now well into version 5, but when it transitioned from v4 to v5 it left a lot of its functionality (in the no cost version) behind. So, I'd always kept a copy of the old v4 rpm to hand and installed alongside v5 in my old distro. Version 4 has long since become unavailable, but I was able to make good use of alien to magic my v4 rpm into a v4 deb. BUT, now I can not install both v4 and v5 alongside one another. When I install v4, v5 is removed; when I install v5, v4 is removed. This wasn't a problem under the old distro. Each version is installed into its own directory, either: /opt/master-pdf-editor-4 or /opt/master-pdf-editor-5. I tried to force it with the following, but... $ sudo apt install ./master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb ./master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Note, selecting 'master-pdf-editor' instead of './master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb' Note, selecting 'master-pdf-editor' instead of './master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb' master-pdf-editor is already the newest version (4.3.89-2). The following packages will be upgraded: master-pdf-editor 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B/28.4 MB of archives. After this operation, 64.8 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. Is there any method to allow v4 and v5 to be both installed together? Thanks Morgan <> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
installing two versions of a user application
Hello Folks, Some little time ago I made a jump from another distro into Debian. When I made that jump I took with me a few proprietary applications that I make a lot of use of. One in particular is causing me a bit of a headache - Master PDF Editor by Code Industry: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/ Master PDF Editor is now well into version 5, but when it transitioned from v4 to v5 it left a lot of its functionality (in the no cost version) behind. So, I'd always kept a copy of the old v4 rpm to hand and installed alongside v5 in my old distro. Version 4 has long since become unavailable, but I was able to make good use of alien to magic my v4 rpm into a v4 deb. BUT, now I can not install both v4 and v5 alongside one another. When I install v4, v5 is removed; when I install v5, v4 is removed. This wasn't a problem under the old distro. Each version is installed into its own directory, either: /opt/master-pdf-editor-4 or /opt/master-pdf-editor-5. I tried to force it with the following, but... $ sudo apt install ./master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb ./master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Note, selecting 'master-pdf-editor' instead of './master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.x86_64.deb' Note, selecting 'master-pdf-editor' instead of './master-pdf-editor-5.7.08-qt5_included.x86_64.deb' master-pdf-editor is already the newest version (4.3.89-2). The following packages will be upgraded: master-pdf-editor 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B/28.4 MB of archives. After this operation, 64.8 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. Is there any method to allow v4 and v5 to be both installed together? Thanks Morgan <> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Package mozilla Two Versions ??
gustavo halperin wrote: Hello Why when I search in the current version for Mozilla in Debian (http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages) I receive two possible versions, one is 2:1.7.8-1sarge3 and the other is 2:1.7.8-1sarge7.1 ?? Thank you, Gustavo I am not sure if there is a question in there, but version 2:1.7.8-1sarge3 is the version originally released with Sarge, while version 2:1.7.8-1sarge7.1 is the latest security updated version. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Package mozilla Two Versions ??
Hello Why when I search in the current version for Mozilla in Debian (http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages) I receive two possible versions, one is 2:1.7.8-1sarge3 and the other is 2:1.7.8-1sarge7.1 ?? Thank you, Gustavo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two versions
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 08:34:40PM -0700, Michael M. wrote: Christopher Nelson wrote: something to the effect of Are all your other operating systems listed below? // Debian Sarge (on hda2). If you see that, it should be safe to overwrite your MBR. Will it really identify the other installation as Debian Sarge? When I installed Etch, the Grub menu list entry it created for itself makes no mention of Etch -- just Debian GNU/Linux and the specific kernel appear in the title. Of course you can easily change that. I'm just not sure if the installer will identify the specific Debian distribution by name all by itself. I wasn't sure, which is why I used the words to the effect of--it would have taken a long time for me to download a CD, then do two installs to an emulator. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Two versions
Probably a dumb question. I just installed a new HD on this system and wish to try the testing distribution. I will install it in a partition of the new disk (hdb1) while keaving my old srage distro on the older disk (hda2). My question then is Will Grub see the new disrtribution and add it or will it just overwrite my old boot sector and leave me unable to get back into sarge? Thanks Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two versions
Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 à 00:41 -0700, Jim Smith a écrit : Probably a dumb question. I just installed a new HD on this system and wish to try the testing distribution. I will install it in a partition of the new disk (hdb1) while keaving my old srage distro on the older disk (hda2). My question then is Will Grub see the new disrtribution and add it or will it just overwrite my old boot sector and leave me unable to get back into sarge? The nice thing with grub is it has a nice command line that will let you boot anything even if it's not in the configuration file. I recommend you print your current /boot/grub/menu.lst on paper (having it printed will help if you end up needing to boot by hand), study it and read man update-grub. Also make a copy of this file under another name in case it is overwritten during install. It's not unlikely you'll have to tweak menu.lst by hand in the end. Any problem should be recoverable*, so chose a day when you know you have some free time you can use for a possible recovery and go ahead. Cheers, T. *of course a bad human mistake like deleting your current sarge install can happen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two versions
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 10:34:58AM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 à 00:41 -0700, Jim Smith a écrit : Probably a dumb question. I just installed a new HD on this system and wish to try the testing distribution. I will install it in a partition of the new disk (hdb1) while keaving my old srage distro on the older disk (hda2). My question then is Will Grub see the new disrtribution and add it or will it just overwrite my old boot sector and leave me unable to get back into sarge? The nice thing with grub is it has a nice command line that will let you boot anything even if it's not in the configuration file. Yes, but the great thing about the Debian Installer is that you won't have to ;) Unless you've done some interesting things to your install, the installer will recognise your sarge install--there should be a screen that says something to the effect of Are all your other operating systems listed below? // Debian Sarge (on hda2). If you see that, it should be safe to overwrite your MBR. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two versions
Christopher Nelson wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 10:34:58AM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 à 00:41 -0700, Jim Smith a écrit : Probably a dumb question. I just installed a new HD on this system and wish to try the testing distribution. I will install it in a partition of the new disk (hdb1) while keaving my old srage distro on the older disk (hda2). My question then is Will Grub see the new disrtribution and add it or will it just overwrite my old boot sector and leave me unable to get back into sarge? The nice thing with grub is it has a nice command line that will let you boot anything even if it's not in the configuration file. Yes, but the great thing about the Debian Installer is that you won't have to ;) Unless you've done some interesting things to your install, the installer will recognise your sarge install--there should be a screen that says something to the effect of Are all your other operating systems listed below? // Debian Sarge (on hda2). If you see that, it should be safe to overwrite your MBR. Will it really identify the other installation as Debian Sarge? When I installed Etch, the Grub menu list entry it created for itself makes no mention of Etch -- just Debian GNU/Linux and the specific kernel appear in the title. Of course you can easily change that. I'm just not sure if the installer will identify the specific Debian distribution by name all by itself. -- Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream. --S. Jackson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
