Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-12 Thread Alex Samad
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:05:11PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 02:21:13AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:58:15 -0700
> >> From: Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >> Subject: Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 06:42:11PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> >>
> >>> Okay.
> >>>
> >>> Running m-a a-i qc-usb might have been easy, but it does not result in
> >>> an application that I can run.
> >>
> >> no. it just builds the drivers.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I still do not have an application that runs on Debian 4.0, that will
> >>> allow me to record video with sound, from the Logitech QuickCam
> >>> Communicate STX.
> >>
> >> I've lost track of the beginning of this thread, but on the assumption
> >> that the driver works and provides appropriate devices, there are a
> >> number of programs that would capture video. What have you tried? I
> >> suspect that at a minimum, ffmped and mendcoder could do it and there
> >> are surely others.
> ...
> >>> does a
> >>> converter exist for Debian 4.0, that can convert .wmv files into .mpeg
> >>> files, so that the files cam be platform independent?
> >>
> >> I believe mencoder can do this. man mencoder.
> >>

maybe have a look at luvcview

> 
> >
> > Aah, yes, but the problem, having found mencoder, is in trying to  
> > install it.
> >
> > I found a package of it, and downloaded it, and the following show  
> > attempts to install it.
> >
> > I had to run Synaptic, to repair my system, and mencoder got broken, and  
> > apparently, some other packages got removed or something, and had to be  
> > reinstalled due to the installation having failed.
> >
> > dpkg -i mencoder_1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1_i386.deb
> 
> umm... why are you manually installing mencoder? You should use your
> package manager to install it. mencoder is available from the regular
> apt repos. you may have better luck though with the mencoder from

Um, from memory it is at http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ and afiak
they are not official deb repo's

> debian-multimedia as it will have some of the non-free stuff. It's
> been a while though since I compared mencoder versions, so that's old
> info. 
> 
> A 



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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-12 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 02:21:13AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:58:15 -0700
>> From: Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 06:42:11PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
>>
>>> Okay.
>>>
>>> Running m-a a-i qc-usb might have been easy, but it does not result in
>>> an application that I can run.
>>
>> no. it just builds the drivers.
>>
>>>
>>> I still do not have an application that runs on Debian 4.0, that will
>>> allow me to record video with sound, from the Logitech QuickCam
>>> Communicate STX.
>>
>> I've lost track of the beginning of this thread, but on the assumption
>> that the driver works and provides appropriate devices, there are a
>> number of programs that would capture video. What have you tried? I
>> suspect that at a minimum, ffmped and mendcoder could do it and there
>> are surely others.
...
>>> does a
>>> converter exist for Debian 4.0, that can convert .wmv files into .mpeg
>>> files, so that the files cam be platform independent?
>>
>> I believe mencoder can do this. man mencoder.
>>

>
> Aah, yes, but the problem, having found mencoder, is in trying to  
> install it.
>
> I found a package of it, and downloaded it, and the following show  
> attempts to install it.
>
> I had to run Synaptic, to repair my system, and mencoder got broken, and  
> apparently, some other packages got removed or something, and had to be  
> reinstalled due to the installation having failed.
>
> dpkg -i mencoder_1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1_i386.deb

umm... why are you manually installing mencoder? You should use your
package manager to install it. mencoder is available from the regular
apt repos. you may have better luck though with the mencoder from
debian-multimedia as it will have some of the non-free stuff. It's
been a while though since I compared mencoder versions, so that's old
info. 

A 


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-12 Thread Bret Busby

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:58:15 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 06:42:11PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:


Okay.

Running m-a a-i qc-usb might have been easy, but it does not result in
an application that I can run.


no. it just builds the drivers.



I still do not have an application that runs on Debian 4.0, that will
allow me to record video with sound, from the Logitech QuickCam
Communicate STX.


I've lost track of the beginning of this thread, but on the assumption
that the driver works and provides appropriate devices, there are a
number of programs that would capture video. What have you tried? I
suspect that at a minimum, ffmped and mendcoder could do it and there
are surely others.




So, I booted the laptop into Windows XP, and installed the software that
came with the webcam, and got that running, but the video files that
that creates, are only in the .wmv file format, and the only application
that I have on Debian 4.0, that can read .wmv files, is xine, and,
whilst that plays the sound, it does things to the video component, that
are like what I imagine an acid trip to be like; kind of like a "Lucy in
the sky with diamonds" kind of thing.

If I cannot run the webcam with Debian 4.0, to record videoclips, does a
converter exist for Debian 4.0, that can convert .wmv files into .mpeg
files, so that the files cam be platform independent?


I believe mencoder can do this. man mencoder.

A



Aah, yes, but the problem, having found mencoder, is in trying to 
install it.


I found a package of it, and downloaded it, and the following show 
attempts to install it.


I had to run Synaptic, to repair my system, and mencoder got broken, and 
apparently, some other packages got removed or something, and had to be 
reinstalled due to the installation having failed.


dpkg -i mencoder_1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1_i386.deb
Selecting previously deselected package mencoder.
(Reading database ... 172966 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking mencoder (from mencoder_1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1_i386.deb) 
...

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mencoder:
 mencoder depends on libavcodeccvs51 (>= 3:20070329); however:
  Package libavcodeccvs51 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on libavformatcvs51 (>= 3:20070329); however:
  Package libavformatcvs51 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on libavutilcvs49 (>= 3:20070329); however:
  Package libavutilcvs49 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on libdvdnav4 (>= 0.1.10); however:
  Package libdvdnav4 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on libfaac0 (>= 1.25); however:
  Package libfaac0 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on liblame0 (>= 3.97); however:
  Package liblame0 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on liblzo2-2; however:
  Package liblzo2-2 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on libmpcdec3; however:
  Package libmpcdec3 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on libpostproccvs51 (>= 3:20070329); however:
  Package libpostproccvs51 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on libtwolame0; however:
  Package libtwolame0 is not installed.
 mencoder depends on libxvidcore4 (>= 1:1.0.0-0.0); however:
  Package libxvidcore4 is not installed.
dpkg: error processing mencoder (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 mencoder
bretnewworkstation:/home/bret/Downloads# man aptitude
Reformatting aptitude(8), please wait...
bretnewworkstation:/home/bret/Downloads# aptitude install 
mencoder_1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1_i386.deb

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Writing extended state information... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
Building tag database... Done
Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched 
"mencoder_1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1_i386.deb"

The following packages are BROKEN:
  mencoder
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  mencoder: Depends: libavcodeccvs51 (>= 3:20070329) which is a virtual 
package.
Depends: libavformatcvs51 (>= 3:20070329) which is a virtual 
package.
Depends: libavutilcvs49 (>= 3:20070329) which is a virtual 
package.

Depends: libdvdnav4 (>= 0.1.10) but it is not installable
Depends: libfaac0 (>= 1.25) which is a virtual package.
Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.97) which is a virtual package.
Depends: liblzo2-2 but it is not installable
Depends: libmpcdec3 but it is not installable
Depends: libpostproccvs51 (>= 3:20070329) which is a virtual 
package

Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-12 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 06:42:11PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

> Okay.
>
> Running m-a a-i qc-usb might have been easy, but it does not result in  
> an application that I can run.

no. it just builds the drivers. 

>
> I still do not have an application that runs on Debian 4.0, that will  
> allow me to record video with sound, from the Logitech QuickCam  
> Communicate STX.

I've lost track of the beginning of this thread, but on the assumption
that the driver works and provides appropriate devices, there are a
number of programs that would capture video. What have you tried? I
suspect that at a minimum, ffmped and mendcoder could do it and there
are surely others.


>
> So, I booted the laptop into Windows XP, and installed the software that  
> came with the webcam, and got that running, but the video files that  
> that creates, are only in the .wmv file format, and the only application  
> that I have on Debian 4.0, that can read .wmv files, is xine, and,  
> whilst that plays the sound, it does things to the video component, that 
> are like what I imagine an acid trip to be like; kind of like a "Lucy in 
> the sky with diamonds" kind of thing.
>
> If I cannot run the webcam with Debian 4.0, to record videoclips, does a  
> converter exist for Debian 4.0, that can convert .wmv files into .mpeg  
> files, so that the files cam be platform independent?

I believe mencoder can do this. man mencoder.

A


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-12 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/8/12 Bret Busby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Running m-a a-i qc-usb might have been easy, but it does not result in an
> application that I can run.
>
> I still do not have an application that runs on Debian 4.0, that will allow
> me to record video with sound, from the Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX.
>
> So, I booted the laptop into Windows XP, and installed the software that
> came with the webcam, and got that running, but the video files that that
> creates, are only in the .wmv file format, and the only application that I
> have on Debian 4.0, that can read .wmv files, is xine, and, whilst that
> plays the sound, it does things to the video component, that are like what I
> imagine an acid trip to be like; kind of like a "Lucy in the sky with
> diamonds" kind of thing.
>
> If I cannot run the webcam with Debian 4.0, to record videoclips, does a
> converter exist for Debian 4.0, that can convert .wmv files into .mpeg
> files, so that the files cam be platform independent?
>
> Apart from the desire to be able to use the webcam to make video files (and,
> video calls) on Linux, I have a relative who uses a Mac, and I don't know
> that .wmv files can be viewed on a Mac.
>

The reason that Logitech does not support Linux is because traditional
Linux users were too hardcore to write to the hardware companies and
simply ask for it. They preferred to stay up at night with a hex
editor and write their own drivers.

Now that Linux is in use by the masses we can start asking the
hardware manufacturers to support our OS. Here is the address to write
to Logitech:
http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/logitech_en_amr.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php

Let them know that you use Debian and that you want to continue
enjoying Logitech's quality hardware instead of going with a different
webcam manufacturer.

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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-12 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Tue August 12 2008, Bret Busby wrote:
> If I cannot run the webcam with Debian 4.0, to record videoclips, does a
> converter exist for Debian 4.0, that can convert .wmv files into .mpeg
> files, so that the files cam be platform independent?

I did a google for linux wmv converter
found lots of hits, like this one:
http://linux2.ohwada.net/modules/wfdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=1&lid=27


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-12 Thread Bret Busby

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Shachar Or wrote:



On Saturday 09 August 2008 08:14, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 11:37:47AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Shachar Or wrote:

there is both a gspca-source and gspca-modules-... packages. IIRC, the
spca5xx is being replaced upstream...


All this talk about spca... Isn't there a quickcam specific driver? I
know there is... qc-usb-source is the package. I used for some logitech
quickcam some time ago.


That's what I thought, when I was reading the list of packages found by
Synaptic, when I searched for webcam.

However, ... we are all of differing levels of Debian system
administration competency, and I rely on packages being "ready to go" -
either using Synaptic to download and install a package, and then
expecting for it to be ready to use, or, using apt-get install, or,
downloading a package and using dpkg -i . But, not having to compile and
build a package.

I found
"The qc-usb-source package is a skeleton for creating a kernel module
to drive Logitech's QuickCam Express webcam and other webcams with
similar chipsets."
and
"qc-usb-utils
Utility programs for the qc-usb kernel module
Utilities to tweak paramters of your QuickCam Express or similar
webcam. These programs are completely useless without a
qc-usb-modules package."

That sounds like that needs a kernel build to use - much too advanced
for me.


no no not at all. you can use module assistant, I'd bet.I just
checked, it is one of the packages you can build with
module-assistant.

at a minimum, you can do:

aptitude install module-assistant
m-a update
m-a prepare
m-a a-i qc-usb

if all goes well, you'll be done.

module-assistant also has a curses interface you can play with. Be
sure to check out /usr/share/doc/module-assistant/HOWTO

it's very easy.


Very.


A





Okay.

Running m-a a-i qc-usb might have been easy, but it does not result in 
an application that I can run.


I still do not have an application that runs on Debian 4.0, that will 
allow me to record video with sound, from the Logitech QuickCam 
Communicate STX.


So, I booted the laptop into Windows XP, and installed the software that 
came with the webcam, and got that running, but the video files that 
that creates, are only in the .wmv file format, and the only application 
that I have on Debian 4.0, that can read .wmv files, is xine, and, 
whilst that plays the sound, it does things to the video component, 
that are like what I imagine an acid trip to be like; kind of like a 
"Lucy in the sky with diamonds" kind of thing.


If I cannot run the webcam with Debian 4.0, to record videoclips, does a 
converter exist for Debian 4.0, that can convert .wmv files into .mpeg 
files, so that the files cam be platform independent?


Apart from the desire to be able to use the webcam to make video files 
(and, video calls) on Linux, I have a relative who uses a Mac, and I 
don't know that .wmv files can be viewed on a Mac.


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-09 Thread Shachar Or
On Saturday 09 August 2008 08:14, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 11:37:47AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Shachar Or wrote:
> >>> there is both a gspca-source and gspca-modules-... packages. IIRC, the
> >>> spca5xx is being replaced upstream...
> >>
> >> All this talk about spca... Isn't there a quickcam specific driver? I
> >> know there is... qc-usb-source is the package. I used for some logitech
> >> quickcam some time ago.
> >
> > That's what I thought, when I was reading the list of packages found by
> > Synaptic, when I searched for webcam.
> >
> > However, ... we are all of differing levels of Debian system
> > administration competency, and I rely on packages being "ready to go" -
> > either using Synaptic to download and install a package, and then
> > expecting for it to be ready to use, or, using apt-get install, or,
> > downloading a package and using dpkg -i . But, not having to compile and
> > build a package.
> >
> > I found
> > "The qc-usb-source package is a skeleton for creating a kernel module
> > to drive Logitech's QuickCam Express webcam and other webcams with
> > similar chipsets."
> > and
> > "qc-usb-utils
> > Utility programs for the qc-usb kernel module
> > Utilities to tweak paramters of your QuickCam Express or similar
> > webcam. These programs are completely useless without a
> > qc-usb-modules package."
> >
> > That sounds like that needs a kernel build to use - much too advanced
> > for me.
>
> no no not at all. you can use module assistant, I'd bet.I just
> checked, it is one of the packages you can build with
> module-assistant.
>
> at a minimum, you can do:
>
> aptitude install module-assistant
> m-a update
> m-a prepare
> m-a a-i qc-usb
>
> if all goes well, you'll be done.
>
> module-assistant also has a curses interface you can play with. Be
> sure to check out /usr/share/doc/module-assistant/HOWTO
>
> it's very easy.

Very.
>
> A

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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 11:37:47AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Shachar Or wrote:
>
>>>
>>> there is both a gspca-source and gspca-modules-... packages. IIRC, the
>>> spca5xx is being replaced upstream...
>>
>> All this talk about spca... Isn't there a quickcam specific driver? I know
>> there is... qc-usb-source is the package. I used for some logitech quickcam
>> some time ago.
>>>
>>
>
> That's what I thought, when I was reading the list of packages found by  
> Synaptic, when I searched for webcam.
>
> However, ... we are all of differing levels of Debian system  
> administration competency, and I rely on packages being "ready to go" -  
> either using Synaptic to download and install a package, and then  
> expecting for it to be ready to use, or, using apt-get install, or,  
> downloading a package and using dpkg -i . But, not having to compile and  
> build a package.
>
> I found
> "The qc-usb-source package is a skeleton for creating a kernel module
> to drive Logitech's QuickCam Express webcam and other webcams with
> similar chipsets."
> and
> "qc-usb-utils
> Utility programs for the qc-usb kernel module
> Utilities to tweak paramters of your QuickCam Express or similar
> webcam. These programs are completely useless without a
> qc-usb-modules package."
>
> That sounds like that needs a kernel build to use - much too advanced  
> for me.

no no not at all. you can use module assistant, I'd bet.I just
checked, it is one of the packages you can build with
module-assistant. 

at a minimum, you can do:

aptitude install module-assistant
m-a update
m-a prepare
m-a a-i qc-usb

if all goes well, you'll be done. 

module-assistant also has a curses interface you can play with. Be
sure to check out /usr/share/doc/module-assistant/HOWTO

it's very easy. 

A


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Bret Busby

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Shachar Or wrote:



there is both a gspca-source and gspca-modules-... packages. IIRC, the
spca5xx is being replaced upstream...


All this talk about spca... Isn't there a quickcam specific driver? I know
there is... qc-usb-source is the package. I used for some logitech quickcam
some time ago.






That's what I thought, when I was reading the list of packages found by 
Synaptic, when I searched for webcam.


However, ... we are all of differing levels of Debian system 
administration competency, and I rely on packages being "ready to go" - 
either using Synaptic to download and install a package, and then 
expecting for it to be ready to use, or, using apt-get install, or, 
downloading a package and using dpkg -i . But, not having to compile and 
build a package.


I found
"The qc-usb-source package is a skeleton for creating a kernel module
to drive Logitech's QuickCam Express webcam and other webcams with
similar chipsets."
and
"qc-usb-utils
Utility programs for the qc-usb kernel module
Utilities to tweak paramters of your QuickCam Express or similar
webcam. These programs are completely useless without a
qc-usb-modules package."

That sounds like that needs a kernel build to use - much too advanced 
for me.


I also kave gqcam installed, and gspca-modules-2.6.18-6-686 and webcam, 
webcamd and webcam-server.


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Bret Busby

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:



On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 05:53:59PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On Fri August 8 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

wow. that looks kind of like there might be a problem in the
driver. If you can't cat from the video device, then there's something
seriously wrong. I highly recommend you check out the gspca drivers
instead of the spca5xx-source packages. I have used the gspca drivers
without difficulty, though there was no sound implemented for my
particular camera. ymmv.

there is both a gspca-source and gspca-modules-... packages. IIRC, the
spca5xx is being replaced upstream...


but I already have gspca, but no modules..

~$ dpkg --list |grep spca
ii  gspca   20080524-1
Package created with checkinstall 1.6.1
ii  gspca-source01.00.20-1
source for the gspca v4l kernel module



I'm sorry, I thought I remembered someone saying they were using
spca5xx.

hmmm... I'm no real help then. It looks like you've installed from
upstream though, perhaps? Maybe try the debian gspca-modules packages
and see what that gets you.

That's all I've got.




Mesa the one who has spca5xx installed (spca? Sounds like the society 
for the prevention of cruelty to aminals :) ).


I have posted a query on the Logitech forum about it (see 
http://forums.quickcamteam.net/ ).




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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Shachar Or
On Saturday 09 August 2008 00:46, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 05:32:40PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> > On Fri August 8 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > hmmm... I believe its possible, with some cameras, to
> > >
> > > cat /dev/video0 > myvidfile
> > >
> > > and then play it with mplayer. worth a shot.
> >
> > $ cat /dev/video0>paulsvid
> > cat: /dev/video0*** glibc detected *** cat: free(): invalid next size
> > (fast): 0x0995c860 ***
> > === Backtrace: =
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7ed58f5]
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(cfree+0x90)[0xb7ed9360]
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7e922e2]
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7e9062f]
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7e8ffee]
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(dcgettext+0x43)[0xb7e8ef13]
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__strerror_r+0x109)[0xb7edc0a9]
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7f3fd82]
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(error+0x58)[0xb7f40018]
> > cat[0x8049a24]
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe0)[0xb7e80450]
> > cat[0x8048c91]
> > === Memory map: 
> > 08048000-0804f000 r-xp  08:06 2069686/bin/cat
> > 0804f000-0805 rw-p 6000 08:06 2069686/bin/cat
> > 0995a000-0997b000 rw-p 0995a000 00:00 0  [heap]
> > b7b0-b7b21000 rw-p b7b0 00:00 0
> > b7b21000-b7c0 ---p b7b21000 00:00 0
> > b7ce7000-b7cf3000 r-xp  08:06 1839064/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
> > b7cf3000-b7cf4000 rw-p b000 08:06 1839064/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
> > b7cf4000-b7e69000 r--p  08:06
> > 1773853/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
> > b7e69000-b7e6a000 rw-p b7e69000 00:00 0
> > b7e6a000-b7fb2000 r-xp  08:06 2068498   
> > /lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so b7fb2000-b7fb3000 r--p 00148000 08:06 2068498 
> >   /lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so b7fb3000-b7fb5000 rw-p 00149000 08:06
> > 2068498/lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so b7fb5000-b7fb8000 rw-p b7fb5000
> > 00:00 0
> > b7fd6000-b7fd8000 rw-p b7fd6000 00:00 0
> > b7fd8000-b7fd9000 r-xp b7fd8000 00:00 0  [vdso]
> > b7fd9000-b7ff3000 r-xp  08:06 1872512/lib/ld-2.7.so
> > b7ff3000-b7ff5000 rw-p 00019000 08:06 1872512/lib/ld-2.7.so
> > bfedf000-bfef4000 rw-p bffeb000 00:00 0  [stack]
> > Aborted
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/videos$ lst
> > total 20
> > drwxr-xr-x 155 pbc pbc 12288 2008-08-08 17:31 ..
> > -rw-r--r--   1 pbc pbc 0 2008-08-08 17:31 paulsvid
> > drwxr-xr-x   2 pbc pbc  4096 2008-08-08 17:31 .
>
> wow. that looks kind of like there might be a problem in the
> driver. If you can't cat from the video device, then there's something
> seriously wrong. I highly recommend you check out the gspca drivers
> instead of the spca5xx-source packages. I have used the gspca drivers
> without difficulty, though there was no sound implemented for my
> particular camera. ymmv.
>
> there is both a gspca-source and gspca-modules-... packages. IIRC, the
> spca5xx is being replaced upstream...

All this talk about spca... Isn't there a quickcam specific driver? I know 
there is... qc-usb-source is the package. I used for some logitech quickcam 
some time ago.
>
> A

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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Fri August 8 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> I'm sorry, I thought I remembered someone saying they were using
> spca5xx.

well, I sorta hi-jacked the thread, similar, but Bret wanted audio to go with 
his webcam.. I can't get anything to work...


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 05:53:59PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Fri August 8 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > wow. that looks kind of like there might be a problem in the
> > driver. If you can't cat from the video device, then there's something
> > seriously wrong. I highly recommend you check out the gspca drivers
> > instead of the spca5xx-source packages. I have used the gspca drivers
> > without difficulty, though there was no sound implemented for my
> > particular camera. ymmv.
> >
> > there is both a gspca-source and gspca-modules-... packages. IIRC, the
> > spca5xx is being replaced upstream...
> 
> but I already have gspca, but no modules..
> 
> ~$ dpkg --list |grep spca
> ii  gspca   20080524-1
>   
> Package created with checkinstall 1.6.1
> ii  gspca-source01.00.20-1
>   
> source for the gspca v4l kernel module
> 

I'm sorry, I thought I remembered someone saying they were using
spca5xx. 

hmmm... I'm no real help then. It looks like you've installed from
upstream though, perhaps? Maybe try the debian gspca-modules packages
and see what that gets you. 

That's all I've got. 

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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Fri August 8 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> wow. that looks kind of like there might be a problem in the
> driver. If you can't cat from the video device, then there's something
> seriously wrong. I highly recommend you check out the gspca drivers
> instead of the spca5xx-source packages. I have used the gspca drivers
> without difficulty, though there was no sound implemented for my
> particular camera. ymmv.
>
> there is both a gspca-source and gspca-modules-... packages. IIRC, the
> spca5xx is being replaced upstream...

but I already have gspca, but no modules..

~$ dpkg --list |grep spca
ii  gspca   20080524-1  

Package created with checkinstall 1.6.1
ii  gspca-source01.00.20-1  

source for the gspca v4l kernel module


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 05:32:40PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Fri August 8 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > hmmm... I believe its possible, with some cameras, to
> >
> > cat /dev/video0 > myvidfile
> >
> > and then play it with mplayer. worth a shot.
> 
> $ cat /dev/video0>paulsvid
> cat: /dev/video0*** glibc detected *** cat: free(): invalid next size (fast): 
> 0x0995c860 ***
> === Backtrace: =
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7ed58f5]
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(cfree+0x90)[0xb7ed9360]
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7e922e2]
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7e9062f]
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7e8ffee]
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(dcgettext+0x43)[0xb7e8ef13]
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__strerror_r+0x109)[0xb7edc0a9]
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7f3fd82]
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(error+0x58)[0xb7f40018]
> cat[0x8049a24]
> /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe0)[0xb7e80450]
> cat[0x8048c91]
> === Memory map: 
> 08048000-0804f000 r-xp  08:06 2069686/bin/cat
> 0804f000-0805 rw-p 6000 08:06 2069686/bin/cat
> 0995a000-0997b000 rw-p 0995a000 00:00 0  [heap]
> b7b0-b7b21000 rw-p b7b0 00:00 0 
> b7b21000-b7c0 ---p b7b21000 00:00 0 
> b7ce7000-b7cf3000 r-xp  08:06 1839064/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
> b7cf3000-b7cf4000 rw-p b000 08:06 1839064/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
> b7cf4000-b7e69000 r--p  08:06 
> 1773853/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
> b7e69000-b7e6a000 rw-p b7e69000 00:00 0 
> b7e6a000-b7fb2000 r-xp  08:06 2068498/lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so
> b7fb2000-b7fb3000 r--p 00148000 08:06 2068498/lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so
> b7fb3000-b7fb5000 rw-p 00149000 08:06 2068498/lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so
> b7fb5000-b7fb8000 rw-p b7fb5000 00:00 0 
> b7fd6000-b7fd8000 rw-p b7fd6000 00:00 0 
> b7fd8000-b7fd9000 r-xp b7fd8000 00:00 0  [vdso]
> b7fd9000-b7ff3000 r-xp  08:06 1872512/lib/ld-2.7.so
> b7ff3000-b7ff5000 rw-p 00019000 08:06 1872512/lib/ld-2.7.so
> bfedf000-bfef4000 rw-p bffeb000 00:00 0  [stack]
> Aborted
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/videos$ lst
> total 20
> drwxr-xr-x 155 pbc pbc 12288 2008-08-08 17:31 ..
> -rw-r--r--   1 pbc pbc 0 2008-08-08 17:31 paulsvid
> drwxr-xr-x   2 pbc pbc  4096 2008-08-08 17:31 .
> 

wow. that looks kind of like there might be a problem in the
driver. If you can't cat from the video device, then there's something
seriously wrong. I highly recommend you check out the gspca drivers
instead of the spca5xx-source packages. I have used the gspca drivers
without difficulty, though there was no sound implemented for my
particular camera. ymmv.

there is both a gspca-source and gspca-modules-... packages. IIRC, the
spca5xx is being replaced upstream...

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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Fri August 8 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> hmmm... I believe its possible, with some cameras, to
>
> cat /dev/video0 > myvidfile
>
> and then play it with mplayer. worth a shot.

$ cat /dev/video0>paulsvid
cat: /dev/video0*** glibc detected *** cat: free(): invalid next size (fast): 
0x0995c860 ***
=== Backtrace: =
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7ed58f5]
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(cfree+0x90)[0xb7ed9360]
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7e922e2]
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7e9062f]
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7e8ffee]
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(dcgettext+0x43)[0xb7e8ef13]
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__strerror_r+0x109)[0xb7edc0a9]
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7f3fd82]
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(error+0x58)[0xb7f40018]
cat[0x8049a24]
/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe0)[0xb7e80450]
cat[0x8048c91]
=== Memory map: 
08048000-0804f000 r-xp  08:06 2069686/bin/cat
0804f000-0805 rw-p 6000 08:06 2069686/bin/cat
0995a000-0997b000 rw-p 0995a000 00:00 0  [heap]
b7b0-b7b21000 rw-p b7b0 00:00 0 
b7b21000-b7c0 ---p b7b21000 00:00 0 
b7ce7000-b7cf3000 r-xp  08:06 1839064/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
b7cf3000-b7cf4000 rw-p b000 08:06 1839064/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
b7cf4000-b7e69000 r--p  08:06 
1773853/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
b7e69000-b7e6a000 rw-p b7e69000 00:00 0 
b7e6a000-b7fb2000 r-xp  08:06 2068498/lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so
b7fb2000-b7fb3000 r--p 00148000 08:06 2068498/lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so
b7fb3000-b7fb5000 rw-p 00149000 08:06 2068498/lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so
b7fb5000-b7fb8000 rw-p b7fb5000 00:00 0 
b7fd6000-b7fd8000 rw-p b7fd6000 00:00 0 
b7fd8000-b7fd9000 r-xp b7fd8000 00:00 0  [vdso]
b7fd9000-b7ff3000 r-xp  08:06 1872512/lib/ld-2.7.so
b7ff3000-b7ff5000 rw-p 00019000 08:06 1872512/lib/ld-2.7.so
bfedf000-bfef4000 rw-p bffeb000 00:00 0  [stack]
Aborted
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/videos$ lst
total 20
drwxr-xr-x 155 pbc pbc 12288 2008-08-08 17:31 ..
-rw-r--r--   1 pbc pbc 0 2008-08-08 17:31 paulsvid
drwxr-xr-x   2 pbc pbc  4096 2008-08-08 17:31 .


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 02:25:57PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Fri August 8 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > man ffmpeg and learn how to capture the audio as well. The very first
> > example in the man page Examples section shows one way to do it. It
> > depends of course on whether the spca driver actually works with audio
> > and captures an audio stream. That I don't know.
> 
> I also tried that line. it didn't work. I finally tweeked it to where it 
> accepted all parameters, but then segfaulted:
> $  ffmpeg -t 120 -i /dev/video0 -target svcd /home/pbc/paulsvideo.avi
> 
> FFmpeg version UNKNOWN, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
>   
> configuration: --prefix=/usr --libdir=${prefix}/lib --shlibdir=${prefix}/lib 
> --incdir=${prefix}/include/ffmpeg --enable-shared --enable-libmp3lame 
> --enable-gpl --enable-libfaad --mandir=${prefix}/share/man --enable-libvorbis 
> --enable-pthreads --enable-libfaac --enable-libxvid --enable-pp 
> --enable-libamr-nb --enable-libamr-wb --enable-x11grab --enable-libgsm 
> --enable-libx264 --enable-liba52 --enable-libtheora --extra-cflags=-Wall -g 
> -fPIC -DPIC --cc=ccache 
> cc --enable-swscaler --disable-mmx
>   libavutil version: 49.5.0
>   libavcodec version: 51.48.0
>   libavformat version: 52.1.0
>   built on Dec  7 2007 10:05:03, gcc: 4.2.3 20071123 (prerelease) (Debian 
> 4.2.2-4)
> /home/pbc/bin/dowebcam: line 4:  3533 Segmentation fault  ffmpeg -t 
> 120 -i /dev/video0 -target svcd /home/pbc/paulsvideo.avi

hmmm... I believe its possible, with some cameras, to 

cat /dev/video0 > myvidfile 

and then play it with mplayer. worth a shot.


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Fri August 8 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> man ffmpeg and learn how to capture the audio as well. The very first
> example in the man page Examples section shows one way to do it. It
> depends of course on whether the spca driver actually works with audio
> and captures an audio stream. That I don't know.

I also tried that line. it didn't work. I finally tweeked it to where it 
accepted all parameters, but then segfaulted:
$  ffmpeg -t 120 -i /dev/video0 -target svcd /home/pbc/paulsvideo.avi

FFmpeg version UNKNOWN, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
  
configuration: --prefix=/usr --libdir=${prefix}/lib --shlibdir=${prefix}/lib 
--incdir=${prefix}/include/ffmpeg --enable-shared --enable-libmp3lame 
--enable-gpl --enable-libfaad --mandir=${prefix}/share/man --enable-libvorbis 
--enable-pthreads --enable-libfaac --enable-libxvid --enable-pp 
--enable-libamr-nb --enable-libamr-wb --enable-x11grab --enable-libgsm 
--enable-libx264 --enable-liba52 --enable-libtheora --extra-cflags=-Wall -g 
-fPIC -DPIC --cc=ccache 
cc --enable-swscaler --disable-mmx
  libavutil version: 49.5.0
  libavcodec version: 51.48.0
  libavformat version: 52.1.0
  built on Dec  7 2007 10:05:03, gcc: 4.2.3 20071123 (prerelease) (Debian 
4.2.2-4)
/home/pbc/bin/dowebcam: line 4:  3533 Segmentation fault  ffmpeg -t 
120 -i /dev/video0 -target svcd /home/pbc/paulsvideo.avi


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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 01:28:56AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Celejar wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:59:02 +0800 (WST)
>> Bret Busby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I am running Debian 4.0 on a number of computers (laptop and desktop).
>>>
>>> I have a Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX webcam.
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> How do I get it to record video clips?
>>
>> Try this?
>>
>> http://www.quickcamteam.net/documentation/faq/how-can-i-record-video-from-my-webcam
>>
>>> Bret Busby
>>
>> Celejar
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>
> That one has the following text:
>
> "How can I record video from my webcam?
>
> One way is to use FFmpeg with the following command line:
>
> ffmpeg -vd /dev/video0 -an -vcodec mpeg4 -s 640x480 output.avi
>
> This records video (no audio) from the /dev/video0 device at a  
> resolution of 640x480 and writes it to output.avi."
>
> However, what I want to be able to do, is to record a videoclip with  
> sound, so that I can send a videoclip of my silly looking face moving,  
> as I talk, to relatives and friends, so that they can see what a video  
> call would look like.
>
> I basically want to be able to make video clips that would be like video  
> calls, but that are not interactive, like video calls, so that I could  
> send the videoclips by email.

man ffmpeg and learn how to capture the audio as well. The very first
example in the man page Examples section shows one way to do it. It
depends of course on whether the spca driver actually works with audio
and captures an audio stream. That I don't know.

and you might look at the gscpa drivers, which I think are more
up-to-date, but it's been a while...

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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Bret Busby

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Celejar wrote:



On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:59:02 +0800 (WST)
Bret Busby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hello.

I am running Debian 4.0 on a number of computers (laptop and desktop).

I have a Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX webcam.


...


How do I get it to record video clips?


Try this?

http://www.quickcamteam.net/documentation/faq/how-can-i-record-video-from-my-webcam


Bret Busby


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That one has the following text:

"How can I record video from my webcam?

One way is to use FFmpeg with the following command line:

ffmpeg -vd /dev/video0 -an -vcodec mpeg4 -s 640x480 output.avi

This records video (no audio) from the /dev/video0 device at a 
resolution of 640x480 and writes it to output.avi."


However, what I want to be able to do, is to record a videoclip with 
sound, so that I can send a videoclip of my silly looking face moving, 
as I talk, to relatives and friends, so that they can see what a video 
call would look like.


I basically want to be able to make video clips that would be like video 
calls, but that are not interactive, like video calls, so that I could 
send the videoclips by email.


Thank you in anticipation.

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Re: Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:59:02 +0800 (WST)
Bret Busby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Hello.
> 
> I am running Debian 4.0 on a number of computers (laptop and desktop).
> 
> I have a Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX webcam.

...

> How do I get it to record video clips?

Try this?

http://www.quickcamteam.net/documentation/faq/how-can-i-record-video-from-my-webcam

> Bret Busby

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Using Logitech Quickcam on Debian 4.0

2008-08-08 Thread Bret Busby


Hello.

I am running Debian 4.0 on a number of computers (laptop and desktop).

I have a Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX webcam.

I have searched on the Internet, to try to find how to set it up and use 
it, for making video recordings and video calls.


I have installed a driver, spca5xx, and camerama, and camstream.

With what I have installed, I can get a moving image displayed on the 
(laptop) screen, but I can record only still images of me.


How do I get it to record video clips?

I have just run Ekiga, not to make a call, but to check that the webcam 
works with that, but, until the people that I want to contact, have 
webcams and Ekiga set up, I want to be able to send them little video clips 
with the web cam (to try to encourage them to make video calls).


Thank you in anticipation.

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