Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
In i5c1r6$ob...@speranza.aioe.org, s. keeling wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net: Is there a description or screenshot of it somewhere? Can I easily engage it from the command-line? I'd like to play with it and see if it is as useful as the aptitude one. See the -s switch, just like aptitude. That's *not* aptitude's interactive resolver. That's simulate mode in aptitude. Aptitude's interactive resolver allows you to reject (deny) or accept (force) certain *parts* of a solution, refining your request, and then search for another solution that will not contain the parts you rejected and must contain the parts you accepted. It can be used in the CLI with the r action# or a action# answers to the Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] prompt. It can be used in the curses UI by [e]xamining a solution, and then [a]ccepting or [r]ejecting proposed actions (top pane) or potential actions (bottom pane). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 04:46:03 +, T o n g wrote:
[...]
$ apt-get install swatch
[...]
The following extra packages will be installed:
libbit-vector-perl libcarp-clan-perl libdate-calc-perl libdate-manip-perl
libfile-tail-perl libperl5.10 libyaml-syck-perl perl perl-base
perl-modules
[...]
The following packages will be upgraded:
libperl5.10 perl perl-base perl-modules
4 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 553 not upgraded.
Need to get 12.0MB of archives.
After this operation, 16.5MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? ^C
Simple and straightforward right? Now take a look at the followings:
$ aptitude install swatch
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libbit-vector-perl{a} libcarp-clan-perl{a} libdate-calc-perl{a}
libdate-manip-perl{a} libfile-tail-perl{a} libyaml-syck-perl{a} swatch
The following packages will be upgraded:
perl perl-base perl-modules
3 packages upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 554 not
upgraded.
Need to get 12.0MB of archives. After unpacking 16.5MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
libperl5.10: Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.1-12) but 5.10.1-14 is to be
installed.
So the problem is that aptitude thinks it cannot upgrade libperl5.10.
What is the output of:
aptitude show libperl5.10 | awk '/^Package/,/^Version/'
aptitude --simulate --show-deps install libperl5.10=5.10.1-14
(I only need to see the first solution that is proposed for the second
command; you can quit immediately if it should go into another series
of solution attempts.)
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Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
On Vi, 27 aug 10, 07:23:20, Tom Browder wrote: I have to say I'm getting confused. I'm in the middle of setting up my first Debian server (which used to be Ubuntu). I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best tool for the job. For a stable server it probably doesn't matter, though apt-get might be faster than aptitude on the command-line. apt-cache certainly is faster for simple searches. On a testing, sid or mixed system I'd definitely recommend aptitude's interactive mode. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
In 4c786423.7080...@cox.net, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/27/2010 02:24 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In1282920166.29761.13.ca...@huevos, Chance Platt wrote: I say pick one and stick to it. Apt and aptitude are close to parity feature-wise anymore (I'm sure others will disagree and it depends on how you define features) and there's some disagreement if aptitude really is the better choice even for dist-upgrades. Does apt-get have an interactive (dependency/conflict) resolver? Sure. Is there a description or screenshot of it somewhere? Can I easily engage it from the command-line? I'd like to play with it and see if it is as useful as the aptitude one. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net: Is there a description or screenshot of it somewhere? Can I easily engage it from the command-line? I'd like to play with it and see if it is as useful as the aptitude one. See the -s switch, just like aptitude. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i5c1r6$ob...@speranza.aioe.org
What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
I have to say I'm getting confused. I'm in the middle of setting up my first Debian server (which used to be Ubuntu). I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best tool for the job. Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*, aptitude, and wajit. Is there a consensus? Thanks. -Tom Thomas M. Browder, Jr. Niceville, Florida USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinvcpmg3jxvw02ahgteaskzzk8exxjp65i3a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Tom Browder tom.brow...@gmail.com wrote: I have to say I'm getting confused. I'm in the middle of setting up my first Debian server (which used to be Ubuntu). I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best tool for the job. Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*, aptitude, and wajit. Is there a consensus? Thanks. -Tom Thomas M. Browder, Jr. Niceville, Florida USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinvcpmg3jxvw02ahgteaskzzk8exxjp65i3a...@mail.gmail.com well, personally i prefer aptitude, its more verbose, and i like that. but on sidux (and other) forums people suggested apt-get, it is said that it handles massive upgrades better (?). to be honest i never mentioned that. so last couple of years i use aptitude on all my servers. Regards -- Roman
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
Le 27/08/2010 à 14:23, Tom Browder a écrit : I have to say I'm getting confused. I'm in the middle of setting up my first Debian server (which used to be Ubuntu). I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best tool for the job. Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*, aptitude, and wajit. Is there a consensus? my consensus :-) = use whatever you like. I think aptitude is cool as it can be used like apt-get on one line command and with a gui interface when onvoke without arguments. I use both apt-get and aptitude and never had problem Alain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201008271445.49781.alain.baecker...@laposte.net
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:33:19 +0400, Roman Khomasuridze wrote: I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best tool for the job. Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*, aptitude, and wajit. Is there a consensus? consensus? I wish. well, personally i prefer aptitude, its more verbose, and i like that. but on sidux (and other) forums people suggested apt-get, it is said that it handles massive upgrades better (?). Check the recent discussion for details. ie, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/388711/focus=388765 Quoting Osamu Aoki: You may see change in release note: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411280 -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i58hor$c6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
On 27 Aug 2010, Tom Browder wrote: I have to say I'm getting confused. I'm in the middle of setting up my first Debian server (which used to be Ubuntu). I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best tool for the job. Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*, aptitude, and wajit. Is there a consensus? Thanks. -Tom Thomas M. Browder, Jr. Niceville, Florida USA Wajig man page says: wajig packages into one tool many commands useful for managing a Debian system. Instead of having to remember whether to use dpkg or apt-get or apt-cache, etc, wajig does the selection of the appropriate tool for you. wajig is a user command but will use sudo to run commands requiring super user permissions. I find it is very convenient, but perhaps, if you are new to things, it would be better to start with apt-get and friends to get an understanding how they work. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk - sample my ebooks at http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/acampbell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100827142914.gg27...@acampbell.org.uk
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 07:23 -0500, Tom Browder wrote: I have to say I'm getting confused. I'm in the middle of setting up my first Debian server (which used to be Ubuntu). I will be administering it remotely and would like to use the best tool for the job. Now I read conflicting opinions from experienced people about apt-*, aptitude, and wajit. Is there a consensus? Of course not. :) The apt-get vs aptitude thread that's active now on this list is a good discussion for you, as well. Both tools are made for users to maintain their machines. I say pick one and stick to it. Apt and aptitude are close to parity feature-wise anymore (I'm sure others will disagree and it depends on how you define features) and there's some disagreement if aptitude really is the better choice even for dist-upgrades. It seems to me that the discussion about package managers here is almost political, in that many people who have a lot of experience with Debian have no real idea of the hit rate of each package manager for their respective features. To me, that's OK, because that means they're both probably excellent. Over the years, I started with the apt tools, then I moved to aptitude, then I moved back to apt again recently now that removing reverse dependencies and is working well in apt. So again, no worries, pick one and learn it well. Chance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1282920166.29761.13.ca...@huevos
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
In 1282920166.29761.13.ca...@huevos, Chance Platt wrote: I say pick one and stick to it. Apt and aptitude are close to parity feature-wise anymore (I'm sure others will disagree and it depends on how you define features) and there's some disagreement if aptitude really is the better choice even for dist-upgrades. Does apt-get have an interactive (dependency/conflict) resolver? I find that is a requirement for smooth upgrades on my mixed stable/backports/testing/unstable/experimental system. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:23:20 -0500 Tom Browder tom.brow...@gmail.com shared this with us all: Is there a consensus? Certainly. In Debian the consensus is always what you think sounds best to you, tried and tested by yourself, and then use because it's best for you. When people ask a similar question on the list - share your experience. I think that's how it's supposed to work the Debian way. HTH Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** To the right, books; to the left, a tea-cup. In front of me, the fireplace; behind me, the post. There is no greater happiness than this. --- TEIGA *** Debian, just the best way to create magic ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100828073227.694af...@tao
Re: What is Recommend CLI Package Manager Tool for Newb?
On 08/27/2010 02:24 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In1282920166.29761.13.ca...@huevos, Chance Platt wrote: I say pick one and stick to it. Apt and aptitude are close to parity feature-wise anymore (I'm sure others will disagree and it depends on how you define features) and there's some disagreement if aptitude really is the better choice even for dist-upgrades. Does apt-get have an interactive (dependency/conflict) resolver? Sure. I find that is a requirement for smooth upgrades on my mixed stable/backports/testing/unstable/experimental system. Shudder I'd stick with what you currently use, since it knows your current setup. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c786423.7080...@cox.net
