Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:28:46 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >>> Have anyone submit a bug report for it ? >> >> To enhance the gnome-keyring doc/readme? Nope (most probably because of >> the aforementioned lazyness) :-) > > I see ! > > > In fact, a bug report was submit in April: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623539 Hum... > I have just added some comments. Good :-), but it looks to me the above bug is focused in another problematic more than documenting stuff. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.03.17.49...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Hello: On 03/08/11 19:04, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:33:39 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: On 03/08/11 14:07, Camaleón wrote: (...) Anyway, I sincerely doubt the only way to widely disable "gnome-keyring- ssh" starts by forcing the user to compile the application with ssh keyring-app disable, that is a non-sense. Applications that need to be run for all of the users are located in /etc/xdg/autostart so by removing the ones you don't want should do the job with no additional drawbacks. Gnome really sounds to me as a big machinery, may be not as the late hal, but something towards it. I have just read the LightDM was chosen over GDM in Ubuntu: it seems I am not the only one to think this. Yes, GNOME (and KDE) are becoming big developments, they scare. But also offer lots of facilities for the lazy users (include me in the last sentence :-P). OTOH, "gnome-keyring" should be only installed if you select the full gnome-desktop-environmnet package or a close related tool. lazy in the wrong way :-) Have anyone submit a bug report for it ? To enhance the gnome-keyring doc/readme? Nope (most probably because of the aforementioned lazyness) :-) I see ! In fact, a bug report was submit in April: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623539 I have just added some comments. Jerome Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e39854e.9070...@rezozer.net
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:33:39 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > On 03/08/11 14:07, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> Anyway, I sincerely doubt the only way to widely disable >> "gnome-keyring- ssh" starts by forcing the user to compile the >> application with ssh keyring-app disable, that is a non-sense. >> Applications that need to be run for all of the users are located in >> /etc/xdg/autostart so by removing the ones you don't want should do the >> job with no additional drawbacks. >> >>> Gnome really sounds to me as a big machinery, may be not as the late >>> hal, but something towards it. I have just read the LightDM was chosen >>> over GDM in Ubuntu: it seems I am not the only one to think this. >> >> Yes, GNOME (and KDE) are becoming big developments, they scare. But >> also offer lots of facilities for the lazy users (include me in the >> last sentence :-P). OTOH, "gnome-keyring" should be only installed if >> you select the full gnome-desktop-environmnet package or a close >> related tool. >> >> > lazy in the wrong way :-) > > Have anyone submit a bug report for it ? To enhance the gnome-keyring doc/readme? Nope (most probably because of the aforementioned lazyness) :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.03.17.04...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Hello: On 03/08/11 14:07, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:23:27 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: On 02/08/11 19:46, Camaleón wrote: (...) This does not actually remove gnome-keyring, but it does allow lower level system software to handle SSH keys, for instance. Yes, but is it a per useir set up, not a system wide set up. Mmm, maybe not... There is only one file located under "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring- ssh.desktop" and no more, I mean, there is no such a ".desktop" file under user's profile. gnome seems not to follow some Linux customs. I'm not aware of any in particular. GNOME used to be committed to freedesktop standards :-? Also, according to official docs¹, disabling from start-up applications is one of the ways to go... and curious is that it says nothing about this is a "per user" setting. do you mean that here a user has root privilege ? Nope, I mean what I read :-) How do you interpret the docs? I was ironic because I guess that you know this is implicit because the start-up applications is set per users. That's the expected. But "gnome-session-properties" is a beast I still don't understand very well how it goes. I see some applications available that have not their corresponding ".desktop" file neither under "~/.config/autostart" nor "/etc/xdg/autostart", so where are these coming from? :-? Anyway, I sincerely doubt the only way to widely disable "gnome-keyring- ssh" starts by forcing the user to compile the application with ssh keyring-app disable, that is a non-sense. Applications that need to be run for all of the users are located in /etc/xdg/autostart so by removing the ones you don't want should do the job with no additional drawbacks. Gnome really sounds to me as a big machinery, may be not as the late hal, but something towards it. I have just read the LightDM was chosen over GDM in Ubuntu: it seems I am not the only one to think this. Yes, GNOME (and KDE) are becoming big developments, they scare. But also offer lots of facilities for the lazy users (include me in the last sentence :-P). OTOH, "gnome-keyring" should be only installed if you select the full gnome-desktop-environmnet package or a close related tool. lazy in the wrong way :-) Have anyone submit a bug report for it ? Jerome Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e397863.20...@rezozer.net
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:23:27 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > On 02/08/11 19:46, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> This does not actually remove gnome-keyring, but it does allow >> lower level system software to handle SSH keys, for instance. > > Yes, but is it a per useir set up, not a system wide set up. Mmm, maybe not... There is only one file located under "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring- ssh.desktop" and no more, I mean, there is no such a ".desktop" file under user's profile. > > gnome seems not to follow some Linux customs. I'm not aware of any in particular. GNOME used to be committed to freedesktop standards :-? Also, according to official docs¹, disabling from start-up applications is one of the ways to go... and curious is that it says nothing about this is a "per user" setting. >>> do you mean that here a user has root privilege ? >> >> Nope, I mean what I read :-) >> >> How do you interpret the docs? > > I was ironic because I guess that you know this is implicit because the > start-up applications is set per users. That's the expected. But "gnome-session-properties" is a beast I still don't understand very well how it goes. I see some applications available that have not their corresponding ".desktop" file neither under "~/.config/autostart" nor "/etc/xdg/autostart", so where are these coming from? :-? Anyway, I sincerely doubt the only way to widely disable "gnome-keyring- ssh" starts by forcing the user to compile the application with ssh keyring-app disable, that is a non-sense. Applications that need to be run for all of the users are located in /etc/xdg/autostart so by removing the ones you don't want should do the job with no additional drawbacks. > Gnome really sounds to me as a big machinery, may be not as the late > hal, but something towards it. I have just read the LightDM was chosen > over GDM in Ubuntu: it seems I am not the only one to think this. Yes, GNOME (and KDE) are becoming big developments, they scare. But also offer lots of facilities for the lazy users (include me in the last sentence :-P). OTOH, "gnome-keyring" should be only installed if you select the full gnome-desktop-environmnet package or a close related tool. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.03.12.07...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On 20110802_090648, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hello List: > > On 02/08/11 00:10, Paul E Condon wrote: > >On 20110801_230130, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>Indeed, because I would suspect that a lot of packages depend on > >>gnome-keyring > >>as I could read on Google. But as only a `minimal' Gnome is actually > >>installed on my box, it appeared that no package depends on it. > >>OT: Gnome sounds heavy to me, and I plan to migrate to an alternative > >>sooner or later. > >> > >> > >>Jerome > > > >In Squeeze, Gnome key-ring can be disabled in the drop down menus by > >going to > > > >System->Preferences->Startup Applications > > > >Then look under the Startup Programs tab > >There you will find three check boxes that mention GNOME Keyring in > >their description line. > >Un-check them, Close, and re-boot > > According to the README.Debian of `gnome-keyring', this is also > supported in Wheezy. > > > > >This does not actually remove gnome-keyring, but it does allow lower > >level system software to handle SSH keys, for instance. > > Yes, but is it a per user set up, not a system wide set up. > > > Disabling > >things that are only available in GNOME should be the first step in > >transitioning to a less heavy GUI. Your control over GNOME features > >can't be anything but less reliable in the foreign environment. > > What is it meant by `foreign environment' ? Sorry for not using a better word. I mean an environment that is not the intended environment for GNOME key-ring. Nothing more. This is only relevant if you actually intend to try other guis. I didn't realize that you have multiple users on the computer. My information probably is useless in setting up a system-wide disable. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110803043014.gb5...@cmpq.lan.gnu
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Hello: On 02/08/11 19:46, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:22:06 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello: On 02/08/11 17:42, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:06:48 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: On 02/08/11 00:10, Paul E Condon wrote: (...) This does not actually remove gnome-keyring, but it does allow lower level system software to handle SSH keys, for instance. Yes, but is it a per useir set up, not a system wide set up. Mmm, maybe not... There is only one file located under "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring- ssh.desktop" and no more, I mean, there is no such a ".desktop" file under user's profile. gnome seems not to follow some Linux customs. Also, according to official docs¹, disabling from start-up applications is one of the ways to go... and curious is that it says nothing about this is a "per user" setting. do you mean that here a user has root privilege ? Nope, I mean what I read :-) How do you interpret the docs? I was ironic because I guess that you know this is implicit because the start-up applications is set per users. Gnome really sounds to me as a big machinery, may be not as the late hal, but something towards it. I have just read the LightDM was chosen over GDM in Ubuntu: it seems I am not the only one to think this. Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e384eaf.2070...@rezozer.net
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:22:06 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hello: > > On 02/08/11 17:42, Camaleón wrote: >> On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:06:48 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >> >>> On 02/08/11 00:10, Paul E Condon wrote: >> >> (...) >> This does not actually remove gnome-keyring, but it does allow lower level system software to handle SSH keys, for instance. >>> >>> Yes, but is it a per useir set up, not a system wide set up. >> >> Mmm, maybe not... >> >> There is only one file located under "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring- >> ssh.desktop" and no more, I mean, there is no such a ".desktop" file >> under user's profile. >> >> Also, according to official docs¹, disabling from start-up applications >> is one of the ways to go... and curious is that it says nothing about >> this is a "per user" setting. >> >> > do you mean that here a user has root privilege ? Nope, I mean what I read :-) How do you interpret the docs? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.02.17.46...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Hello: On 02/08/11 17:42, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:06:48 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: On 02/08/11 00:10, Paul E Condon wrote: (...) This does not actually remove gnome-keyring, but it does allow lower level system software to handle SSH keys, for instance. Yes, but is it a per useir set up, not a system wide set up. Mmm, maybe not... There is only one file located under "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring- ssh.desktop" and no more, I mean, there is no such a ".desktop" file under user's profile. Also, according to official docs¹, disabling from start-up applications is one of the ways to go... and curious is that it says nothing about this is a "per user" setting. do you mean that here a user has root privilege ? Disabling things that are only available in GNOME should be the first step in transitioning to a less heavy GUI. Your control over GNOME features can't be anything but less reliable in the foreign environment. What is it meant by `foreign environment' ? I think it refers to "non-GNOME" desktops/window managers :-) ¹http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Ssh Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e38323e.2050...@rezozer.net
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:06:48 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > On 02/08/11 00:10, Paul E Condon wrote: (...) >> This does not actually remove gnome-keyring, but it does allow lower >> level system software to handle SSH keys, for instance. > > Yes, but is it a per user set up, not a system wide set up. Mmm, maybe not... There is only one file located under "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring- ssh.desktop" and no more, I mean, there is no such a ".desktop" file under user's profile. Also, according to official docs¹, disabling from start-up applications is one of the ways to go... and curious is that it says nothing about this is a "per user" setting. >> Disabling >> things that are only available in GNOME should be the first step in >> transitioning to a less heavy GUI. Your control over GNOME features >> can't be anything but less reliable in the foreign environment. > > What is it meant by `foreign environment' ? I think it refers to "non-GNOME" desktops/window managers :-) ¹http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Ssh Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.02.15.42...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Hello List: On 02/08/11 00:10, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20110801_230130, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Indeed, because I would suspect that a lot of packages depend on gnome-keyring as I could read on Google. But as only a `minimal' Gnome is actually installed on my box, it appeared that no package depends on it. OT: Gnome sounds heavy to me, and I plan to migrate to an alternative sooner or later. Jerome In Squeeze, Gnome key-ring can be disabled in the drop down menus by going to System->Preferences->Startup Applications Then look under the Startup Programs tab There you will find three check boxes that mention GNOME Keyring in their description line. Un-check them, Close, and re-boot According to the README.Debian of `gnome-keyring', this is also supported in Wheezy. This does not actually remove gnome-keyring, but it does allow lower level system software to handle SSH keys, for instance. Yes, but is it a per user set up, not a system wide set up. Disabling things that are only available in GNOME should be the first step in transitioning to a less heavy GUI. Your control over GNOME features can't be anything but less reliable in the foreign environment. What is it meant by `foreign environment' ? Greeting, Jerome HTH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e37a208.1050...@rezozer.net
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On 20110801_230130, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > > > > Indeed, because I would suspect that a lot of packages depend on gnome-keyring > as I could read on Google. But as only a `minimal' Gnome is actually > installed on my box, it appeared that no package depends on it. > OT: Gnome sounds heavy to me, and I plan to migrate to an alternative > sooner or later. > > > Jerome In Squeeze, Gnome key-ring can be disabled in the drop down menus by going to System->Preferences->Startup Applications Then look under the Startup Programs tab There you will find three check boxes that mention GNOME Keyring in their description line. Un-check them, Close, and re-boot This does not actually remove gnome-keyring, but it does allow lower level system software to handle SSH keys, for instance. Disabling things that are only available in GNOME should be the first step in transitioning to a less heavy GUI. Your control over GNOME features can't be anything but less reliable in the foreign environment. HTH -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110801221035.ga5...@cmpq.lan.gnu
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On 01/08/11 22:16, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:16:43 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Camaleón wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: I disagree. If the package isn't useful then removing it is very likely the easiest solution. Why frustrate yourself trying to work around the problem when removing the problem is a good solution too. IMO, removing should be the last resort, the last thing to do. No it is not. That is one of the strengths of Debian. You are free to create a installation based upon what you want to have installed. That's another and complete different thing. For instance, I do not use NM on my workstation boxes nor Avahi-zeroconf so I disable those, but I disable those not because I don't know how to setup them but becasue I don't like what they provide. And I prefer to keep them installed because they can be useful in some scenarios so I keep them -disabled but installed-, they do not disturb my day-to-day work. I know that with some other distributions you are expected to have a set bundle of packages installed and any deviation from that bundle isn't tolerated very well. But that isn't Debian. In Debian it is perfectly fine to install what you need and to not install what you do not need or do not want. Really! Yes, but Jerome was not complaining about a "bloated" system but how to solve a specific problem he had with gnome-keyring and how to disable it. He read the docs and did not found a convenient nor easy way to do what he wanted to get. And I also think that in this case, the README file lacks for basic instructions on what "exactly" has to be edited and in what manner. Should he had found this steps easily, I bet that gnome-keyring is still on his system :-) Indeed, because I would suspect that a lot of packages depend on gnome-keyring as I could read on Google. But as only a `minimal' Gnome is actually installed on my box, it appeared that no package depends on it. OT: Gnome sounds heavy to me, and I plan to migrate to an alternative sooner or later. Maybe if the package is completely broken or if by-passes do not work as expected, then it's okay to get rid off it (even in such cases I prefer to first open a bug report at tell that something supposed to work it fails). I like to understand how stuff works. Of course understanding how things work is great. And filing bug reports as appropriate improves things for everyone. But when software is mostly a packaging of an upstream and the upstream isn't very responsive or has their own vision and agenda then sometimes it just isn't productive. You have heard the old RAH quote, "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." Unfortunately sometimes that is true of software projects too. I really don't think this is a packaging/packager issue nor a problem with unresposive devels... Anyway, "gnome-keyring" is part of the GNOME security stack and password management and I find it very convenient for this task, but that's of course up to each user. If it is good for you then that is great! I found that was completely broken for my use and I had to work around it in order to make things work for me. My workaround was much less pleasant than removing the broken package. But I expect that either one or both of gnome-keyring or libpam-gnome-keyring will be removed from my systems until the offending behavior is corrected. And that is perfectly okay from a Debian viewpoint. Nobody said it's not okay to remove a package. I said (or wanted to state) that removing a package because something is unknown (in this case, how to widely avoid gnome-keyring-ssh from starting) is not what I would have done, I don't like to surrender to my OS (being Debian or whatever OS you prefer...), I prefer to fight>;-) Greetings, Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e37142a.2030...@rezozer.net
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:16:43 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> Bob Proulx wrote: >> > I disagree. If the package isn't useful then removing it is very >> > likely the easiest solution. Why frustrate yourself trying to work >> > around the problem when removing the problem is a good solution too. >> >> IMO, removing should be the last resort, the last thing to do. > > No it is not. That is one of the strengths of Debian. You are free to > create a installation based upon what you want to have installed. That's another and complete different thing. For instance, I do not use NM on my workstation boxes nor Avahi-zeroconf so I disable those, but I disable those not because I don't know how to setup them but becasue I don't like what they provide. And I prefer to keep them installed because they can be useful in some scenarios so I keep them -disabled but installed-, they do not disturb my day-to-day work. > I know that with some other distributions you are expected to have a > set bundle of packages installed and any deviation from that bundle > isn't tolerated very well. But that isn't Debian. In Debian it is > perfectly fine to install what you need and to not install what you do > not need or do not want. Really! Yes, but Jerome was not complaining about a "bloated" system but how to solve a specific problem he had with gnome-keyring and how to disable it. He read the docs and did not found a convenient nor easy way to do what he wanted to get. And I also think that in this case, the README file lacks for basic instructions on what "exactly" has to be edited and in what manner. Should he had found this steps easily, I bet that gnome-keyring is still on his system :-) >> Maybe if the package is completely broken or if by-passes do not work >> as expected, then it's okay to get rid off it (even in such cases I >> prefer to first open a bug report at tell that something supposed to >> work it fails). I like to understand how stuff works. > > Of course understanding how things work is great. And filing bug > reports as appropriate improves things for everyone. But when software > is mostly a packaging of an upstream and the upstream isn't very > responsive or has their own vision and agenda then sometimes it just > isn't productive. You have heard the old RAH quote, "Never try to teach > a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." Unfortunately > sometimes that is true of software projects too. I really don't think this is a packaging/packager issue nor a problem with unresposive devels... >> Anyway, "gnome-keyring" is part of the GNOME security stack and >> password management and I find it very convenient for this task, but >> that's of course up to each user. > > If it is good for you then that is great! I found that was completely > broken for my use and I had to work around it in order to make things > work for me. My workaround was much less pleasant than removing the > broken package. But I expect that either one or both of gnome-keyring > or libpam-gnome-keyring will be removed from my systems until the > offending behavior is corrected. And that is perfectly okay from a > Debian viewpoint. Nobody said it's not okay to remove a package. I said (or wanted to state) that removing a package because something is unknown (in this case, how to widely avoid gnome-keyring-ssh from starting) is not what I would have done, I don't like to surrender to my OS (being Debian or whatever OS you prefer...), I prefer to fight >;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.01.20.16...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Camaleón wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > I disagree. If the package isn't useful then removing it is very likely > > the easiest solution. Why frustrate yourself trying to work around the > > problem when removing the problem is a good solution too. > > IMO, removing should be the last resort, the last thing to do. No it is not. That is one of the strengths of Debian. You are free to create a installation based upon what you want to have installed. I know that with some other distributions you are expected to have a set bundle of packages installed and any deviation from that bundle isn't tolerated very well. But that isn't Debian. In Debian it is perfectly fine to install what you need and to not install what you do not need or do not want. Really! > Maybe if the package is completely broken or if by-passes do not work as > expected, then it's okay to get rid off it (even in such cases I prefer > to first open a bug report at tell that something supposed to work it > fails). I like to understand how stuff works. Of course understanding how things work is great. And filing bug reports as appropriate improves things for everyone. But when software is mostly a packaging of an upstream and the upstream isn't very responsive or has their own vision and agenda then sometimes it just isn't productive. You have heard the old RAH quote, "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." Unfortunately sometimes that is true of software projects too. > Anyway, "gnome-keyring" is part of the GNOME security stack and password > management and I find it very convenient for this task, but that's of > course up to each user. If it is good for you then that is great! I found that was completely broken for my use and I had to work around it in order to make things work for me. My workaround was much less pleasant than removing the broken package. But I expect that either one or both of gnome-keyring or libpam-gnome-keyring will be removed from my systems until the offending behavior is corrected. And that is perfectly okay from a Debian viewpoint. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:33:45 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > On 01/08/11 20:19, Camaleón wrote: >> On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:02:56 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >> >> >>> On 01/08/11 19:53, Camaleón wrote: >> >> (...) >> Should you have removed/renamed >>> >>> If I remember well, this causes trouble. > > I meant removing the `/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop' Remove or better yet, move it to another place. Is just a ".desktop" file to be run system wide, so if you don't want the associated app to be started for all of the users, the only way I'm aware for doing it so is precisely that :-) >> It shouldn't, at all. Is what README file says (removing the involving >> elements from the menu so they don't run at start-up). >> -or edited accordingly to do not start- the system wide "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-*.desktop" file I think it would have been enough... >>> >>> It was looking to do so, but I got no clear answer. >> >> Testing is sometimes the best master :-) > > Indeed: > my test was just to see if my box could survive without gnome-keyring > (and the associated pam module) as I do not really need it. I do prefer > to play with libpam-ssh : my box survived, and ssh-agent is lauched by > libpam-ssh as before but with not interferences. Ahhh, you never know when you may need it until is too late, you know, Murphy's law >:-) >> You run "gnome-session-properties" and remove the check for the desired >> "gnome-keyring" entries. Then you look at the ".desktop" files of your >> user profile and see what have changed to apply the same settings to >> the system wide ones. > > It likes there are a lot of way to disable, what let me think that is a > big machinery that I wanted to avoid. It's okay, I won't be the one forcing you to keep "gnome-keyring" X-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.01.19.04...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:30:10 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> Jerome BENOIT wrote: >> > Finally I applied a brute force solution: I purged gnome-keyring. >> >> Wow, how drastic! > > I disagree. If the package isn't useful then removing it is very likely > the easiest solution. Why frustrate yourself trying to work around the > problem when removing the problem is a good solution too. (...) IMO, removing should be the last resort, the last thing to do. Maybe if the package is completely broken or if by-passes do not work as expected, then it's okay to get rid off it (even in such cases I prefer to first open a bug report at tell that something supposed to work it fails). I like to understand how stuff works. Anyway, "gnome-keyring" is part of the GNOME security stack and password management and I find it very convenient for this task, but that's of course up to each user. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.01.18.59...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On 01/08/11 20:19, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:02:56 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: On 01/08/11 19:53, Camaleón wrote: (...) Should you have removed/renamed If I remember well, this causes trouble. I meant removing the `/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop' It shouldn't, at all. Is what README file says (removing the involving elements from the menu so they don't run at start-up). -or edited accordingly to do not start- the system wide "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-*.desktop" file I think it would have been enough... It was looking to do so, but I got no clear answer. Testing is sometimes the best master :-) Indeed: my test was just to see if my box could survive without gnome-keyring (and the associated pam module) as I do not really need it. I do prefer to play with libpam-ssh : my box survived, and ssh-agent is lauched by libpam-ssh as before but with not interferences. You run "gnome-session-properties" and remove the check for the desired "gnome-keyring" entries. Then you look at the ".desktop" files of your user profile and see what have changed to apply the same settings to the system wide ones. It likes there are a lot of way to disable, what let me think that is a big machinery that I wanted to avoid. Jerome Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e36f189.2080...@rezozer.net
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Camaleón wrote: > Jerome BENOIT wrote: > > Finally I applied a brute force solution: I purged gnome-keyring. > > Wow, how drastic! I disagree. If the package isn't useful then removing it is very likely the easiest solution. Why frustrate yourself trying to work around the problem when removing the problem is a good solution too. Coincidentally I just recently ran into this very same problem myself but hadn't spent time to understand the problem. Reading this thread and seeing that gnome-keyring is the package causing the problem I am planning on testing that solution for me. If it works then that is the solution I am going to implement. I will file a bug report at that time though so that the package problems can be addressed. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:02:56 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > > On 01/08/11 19:53, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> Should you have removed/renamed > > If I remember well, this causes trouble. It shouldn't, at all. Is what README file says (removing the involving elements from the menu so they don't run at start-up). >> -or edited accordingly to do not start- >> the system wide "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-*.desktop" file I >> think it would have been enough... > > It was looking to do so, but I got no clear answer. Testing is sometimes the best master :-) You run "gnome-session-properties" and remove the check for the desired "gnome-keyring" entries. Then you look at the ".desktop" files of your user profile and see what have changed to apply the same settings to the system wide ones. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.01.18.19...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Hello List: On 01/08/11 19:53, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:39:27 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: On 01/08/11 13:51, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:43:10 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: I have just migrated from Squeeze to Wheezy. It appeared that gnome-keyring agent interferes with my ssh-agent set-up: I want to disable gnome-keyring agent for ssh. (...) I remember something similar (or related) has been commented time ago in this mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg01062.html The solution made here is a per user solution suggexted in the README.Debian file, I am looking for a system wide solution. Mmm... Finally I applied a brute force solution: I purged gnome-keyring. Wow, how drastic! I am agree. Should you have removed/renamed If I remember well, this causes trouble. -or edited accordingly to do not start- the system wide "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-*.desktop" file I think it would have been enough... It was looking to do so, but I got no clear answer. Thanks, Jerome Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e36ea50.3090...@rezozer.net
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:39:27 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > On 01/08/11 13:51, Camaleón wrote: >> On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:43:10 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >> >>> I have just migrated from Squeeze to Wheezy. It appeared that >>> gnome-keyring agent interferes with my ssh-agent set-up: I want to >>> disable gnome-keyring agent for ssh. (...) >> I remember something similar (or related) has been commented time ago >> in this mailing list: >> >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg01062.html > > The solution made here is a per user solution suggexted in the > README.Debian file, I am looking for a system wide solution. Mmm... > Finally I applied a brute force solution: I purged gnome-keyring. Wow, how drastic! Should you have removed/renamed -or edited accordingly to do not start- the system wide "/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-*.desktop" file I think it would have been enough... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.01.17.53...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Hello List: Thanks for the link. On 01/08/11 13:51, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:43:10 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: I have just migrated from Squeeze to Wheezy. It appeared that gnome-keyring agent interferes with my ssh-agent set-up: I want to disable gnome-keyring agent for ssh. At the end of the README.Debian for gnome-keyring, it is suggested to ``simply edit /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop''. This sounds good, of course I can edit it, but which entry to add or to modify to disable it ? I remember something similar (or related) has been commented time ago in this mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg01062.html The solution made here is a per user solution suggexted in the README.Debian file, I am looking for a system wide solution. Finally I applied a brute force solution: I purged gnome-keyring. Jerome Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e36e4cf.6090...@rezozer.net
Re: Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:43:10 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > I have just migrated from Squeeze to Wheezy. It appeared that > gnome-keyring agent interferes with my ssh-agent set-up: I want to > disable gnome-keyring agent for ssh. > > At the end of the README.Debian for gnome-keyring, it is suggested to > ``simply edit /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop''. This > sounds good, of course I can edit it, but which entry to add or to > modify to disable it ? I remember something similar (or related) has been commented time ago in this mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg01062.html Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.01.11.51...@gmail.com
Wheezy: how to disable SSH gnome-keyring by editing desktop configuration file
Hello List: I have just migrated from Squeeze to Wheezy. It appeared that gnome-keyring agent interferes with my ssh-agent set-up: I want to disable gnome-keyring agent for ssh. At the end of the README.Debian for gnome-keyring, it is suggested to ``simply edit /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop''. This sounds good, of course I can edit it, but which entry to add or to modify to disable it ? Thanks in advance, Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e36914e.3050...@rezozer.net
