Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

2012-11-14 Thread berenger . morel

There are 3 solutions, here.
The first one is to install KDE, LXDE or XFCE at install time. To 
achieve this, you have to go to installation options, at boot time. I do 
not remember the exact name, maybe advanced... Here, you will find 
things like automated install, expert install, their GUI variants, 
and alternative desktop environment.
The last one is a sub-menu which will allow you to choose a different 
DE than gnome.


The second, installation time again, is to choose to *NOT* install 
desktop environment when the installer ask you which package you want to 
install. After that, you will have to install what you want in command 
line (using apt-get or aptitude, depending on your preferences). This is 
my usual install process, removing everything, then going into aptitude, 
disabling auto-install or recommended packages (so many useless things 
there...) and adding my usual tools. Because I do not use a classic DE, 
this is easier for me than to remove all crap they install, even more 
since aptitude does not auto-remove suggested packages marked as 
automatic (and so makes it harder to have a clean system with only used 
packages).


The last one is when you have an existing installation.
Go on a tty, kill gdm (and more generally, X server), then, remove 
gnome* to install what you want.
Removing gnome* can be made by the aptitude ncurses (easier imho), or 
both aptitude and apt-get command lines.


Each of those methods have their advantages:
1: easier when you do not really want a highly customized installation
2: the longer way, but let you install only things you are almost sure 
to install

3: allow you to correct an error you did at installation time

If you need more details, just ask again.
Hope it helps.

Le 14.11.2012 05:34, L V Gandhi a écrit :

I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome
desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.



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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

2012-11-14 Thread L V Gandhi
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote:

 On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 08:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:04 +0530, L V Gandhi wrote:
   I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome
   desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.
 
  Simply install KDE with Synaptic, apt-get or what ever you like and then
  simply remove GNOME. Simply removing GNOME won't cause
  inconsistencies, but maybe you have to remove a lot of packages
  manually, since removing meta-packages won't remove network-manager,
  evolution, gcalctool etc., so you better don't install GNOME in the
  first place.
 
  I agree that we shouldn't install GNOME to a Linux anymore. Upstream
  forces hard dependencies to PA and systemd, big intransparent buggy
  blobs. I bet Debian soon or later will switch to systemd too. Current
  Evolution 3.6 can't share Emails with e.g. Evolution 3.2.3, GNOME
  nowadays is crap. A long time ago I switched to Xfce4, unfortunately I
  can't use it's maildir with other maildir compatible MUAs.

 Evolution's maildir ;).

 I did not want to install GNOME. That is why I downloaded KDE cd. But to
my surprice, it installed GNOME not KDE.


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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

2012-11-14 Thread L V Gandhi
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

 There are 3 solutions, here.
 The first one is to install KDE, LXDE or XFCE at install time. To achieve
 this, you have to go to installation options, at boot time. I do not
 remember the exact name, maybe advanced... Here, you will find things
 like automated install, expert install, their GUI variants, and
 alternative desktop environment.
 The last one is a sub-menu which will allow you to choose a different DE
 than gnome.

 The second, installation time again, is to choose to *NOT* install desktop
 environment when the installer ask you which package you want to install.
 After that, you will have to install what you want in command line (using
 apt-get or aptitude, depending on your preferences). This is my usual
 install process, removing everything, then going into aptitude, disabling
 auto-install or recommended packages (so many useless things there...)
 and adding my usual tools. Because I do not use a classic DE, this is
 easier for me than to remove all crap they install, even more since
 aptitude does not auto-remove suggested packages marked as automatic (and
 so makes it harder to have a clean system with only used packages).

 The last one is when you have an existing installation.
 Go on a tty, kill gdm (and more generally, X server), then, remove gnome*
 to install what you want.
 Removing gnome* can be made by the aptitude ncurses (easier imho), or both
 aptitude and apt-get command lines.

 Each of those methods have their advantages:
 1: easier when you do not really want a highly customized installation
 2: the longer way, but let you install only things you are almost sure to
 install
 3: allow you to correct an error you did at installation time

 If you need more details, just ask again.
 Hope it helps.

 Le 14.11.2012 05:34, L V Gandhi a écrit :

  I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome
 desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.


 I have already installed KDE. Now how to remove GNOME with out disturbing
KDE?

-- 
L V Gandhi


Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

2012-11-14 Thread L V Gandhi
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Stephen P. Molnar
s.mol...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 sudo apt-get install kde-full

 ** **

 *From:* L V Gandhi [mailto:lvgl...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:35 PM
 *To:* Debian Users ML
 *Subject:* Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

 ** **

 I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome desktop.
 How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.

 Installed already KDE. How to remove GNOME Without disturbing KDE?

 ** **




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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

2012-11-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 19:55 +0530, L V Gandhi wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
 wrote:
 There are 3 solutions, here.
 The first one is to install KDE, LXDE or XFCE at install time.
 To achieve this, you have to go to installation options, at
 boot time. I do not remember the exact name, maybe
 advanced... Here, you will find things like automated
 install, expert install, their GUI variants, and
 alternative desktop environment.
 The last one is a sub-menu which will allow you to choose a
 different DE than gnome.
 
 The second, installation time again, is to choose to *NOT*
 install desktop environment when the installer ask you which
 package you want to install. After that, you will have to
 install what you want in command line (using apt-get or
 aptitude, depending on your preferences). This is my usual
 install process, removing everything, then going into
 aptitude, disabling auto-install or recommended packages (so
 many useless things there...) and adding my usual tools.
 Because I do not use a classic DE, this is easier for me than
 to remove all crap they install, even more since aptitude does
 not auto-remove suggested packages marked as automatic (and so
 makes it harder to have a clean system with only used
 packages).
 
 The last one is when you have an existing installation.
 Go on a tty, kill gdm (and more generally, X server), then,
 remove gnome* to install what you want.
 Removing gnome* can be made by the aptitude ncurses (easier
 imho), or both aptitude and apt-get command lines.
 
 Each of those methods have their advantages:
 1: easier when you do not really want a highly customized
 installation
 2: the longer way, but let you install only things you are
 almost sure to install
 3: allow you to correct an error you did at installation time
 
 If you need more details, just ask again.
 Hope it helps.
 
 Le 14.11.2012 05:34, L V Gandhi a écrit :
 
 I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i
 got gnome
 desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.
 
 
 I have already installed KDE. Now how to remove GNOME with out
 disturbing KDE?

You can try to remove everything that has to do with GNOME. You'll be
informed, if removing a package would remove dependent packages too.



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Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

2012-11-13 Thread L V Gandhi
I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome desktop.
How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.

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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

2012-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:04 +0530, L V Gandhi wrote:
 I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome
 desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.

Simply install KDE with Synaptic, apt-get or what ever you like and then
simply remove GNOME. Simply removing GNOME won't cause
inconsistencies, but maybe you have to remove a lot of packages
manually, since removing meta-packages won't remove network-manager,
evolution, gcalctool etc., so you better don't install GNOME in the
first place.

I agree that we shouldn't install GNOME to a Linux anymore. Upstream
forces hard dependencies to PA and systemd, big intransparent buggy
blobs. I bet Debian soon or later will switch to systemd too. Current
Evolution 3.6 can't share Emails with e.g. Evolution 3.2.3, GNOME
nowadays is crap. A long time ago I switched to Xfce4, unfortunately I
can't use it's maildir with other maildir compatible MUAs.

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

2012-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 08:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:04 +0530, L V Gandhi wrote:
  I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome
  desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.
 
 Simply install KDE with Synaptic, apt-get or what ever you like and then
 simply remove GNOME. Simply removing GNOME won't cause
 inconsistencies, but maybe you have to remove a lot of packages
 manually, since removing meta-packages won't remove network-manager,
 evolution, gcalctool etc., so you better don't install GNOME in the
 first place.
 
 I agree that we shouldn't install GNOME to a Linux anymore. Upstream
 forces hard dependencies to PA and systemd, big intransparent buggy
 blobs. I bet Debian soon or later will switch to systemd too. Current
 Evolution 3.6 can't share Emails with e.g. Evolution 3.2.3, GNOME
 nowadays is crap. A long time ago I switched to Xfce4, unfortunately I
 can't use it's maildir with other maildir compatible MUAs.

Evolution's maildir ;).


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