Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:16:46 +1200, Chris wrote in message 
<20120406221645.GA24134@tal>:

> On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 05:21:01PM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > On Friday 06 April 2012 17:02:05 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > Ummm, well, obviously if you have backports in your sources list
> > > you are no longer running stable.
> > 
> > It depends on the pinning.  I have it in my sources.list, but I
> > have to ask for it expressly for a particular package.  I don't
> > feel that one or two backported packages immediately means that the
> > system is not stable/Stable. What about the multimedia repository?
> > Opera?  etc.  Obviously anything that comes out of any repository
> > other than main is not true-blue-pucka Stable. But in the real
> > world one sometimes has to compromise, and I would still feel able
> > to claim that my Stable box is just that, Stable.
> 
> You seem to be confusing the meaning of stable in the distribution
> sense.  It doesn't mean "free of bugs" or "unlikely to crash", it
> means unchanging/not moving. So by having backports you are changing
> that.
> 
> Likewise, unstable doesn't mean "buggy" or "likely to crash", it means
> "constantly changing". 
> 
> Perhaps better names would have been
> unpredictable/testing/predictable?
> 

..naaah, call them "development/testing/production." ;o)

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 05:29:47PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I am not putting pressure on Debian to change.

Sorry... I do not feel pressure from your postings.

Debian practically release new system every 6 hours :-)
See "Life with eternal upgrades":
 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_life_with_eternal_upgrades
 

For people like you or me who needs relatively new system for
non-mission critical desktop system as a technically capable user, we
have sid/testing/experimental... repositories.  We just use the word
"release" in very narrow sense, i.e., only for stable release.

Debian upgrade scripts makes this eternal upgrades possible.

As for Kernel, we have 3.3 packaged as linux-2.6 3.3~rc6-1~experimental.1
 http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20120305T193428Z.html

If you really wish us to feel pressure for release, send us patches to
fix RC bugs.  (I think you have to learn how we operate first though.)

As being volunteer organization, it used to take years to make stable
release.  Recently, it have been shortend to 2 year cycle.  We need
volunteer to make this keep happning.  (No verbal pressure but patches!)

Osamu


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Saturday 07 April 2012 11:20:21 Brian wrote:
> > And of course, if I change it, it is not stable.  But what name would you
> > give to a Stable installation, which has had a very small number of
> > changes installed?  It seems to me that it is legitimate to say:  I want
> > my desktop to be basically Stable, but usable in the real world.  And
> > there is no shorthand name for that.
>
> Stablish. (But it won't catch on.)

:-)

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Saturday 07 April 2012 11:20:21 Brian wrote:
> > And of course, if I change it, it is not stable.  But what name would you
> > give to a Stable installation, which has had a very small number of
> > changes installed?  It seems to me that it is legitimate to say:  I want
> > my desktop to be basically Stable, but usable in the real world.  And
> > there is no shorthand name for that.
>
> Stablish. (But it won't catch on.)

Meanwhile, I shall continue to say that I run Lenny (not for much longer) on 
my desktop and that I have my husband's desktop running Squeeze.

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Brian]

On Sat 07 Apr 2012 at 10:44:59 +0100, Lisi wrote:

> On Friday 06 April 2012 23:16:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > You seem to be confusing the meaning of stable in the distribution
> > sense.  It doesn't mean "free of bugs" or "unlikely to crash", it means
> > unchanging/not moving. So by having backports you are changing that.
> 
> Yes, I expressed that badly.  Blame the fact that I was more than half asleep.

Excuses, excuses. :)
 
> And of course, if I change it, it is not stable.  But what name would you 
> give 
> to a Stable installation, which has had a very small number of changes 
> installed?  It seems to me that it is legitimate to say:  I want my desktop 
> to be basically Stable, but usable in the real world.  And there is no 
> shorthand name for that.

Stablish. (But it won't catch on.)


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 07/04/12 19:44, Lisi wrote:
> On Friday 06 April 2012 23:16:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
>> You seem to be confusing the meaning of stable in the distribution
>> sense. �It doesn't mean "free of bugs" or "unlikely to crash", it means
>> unchanging/not moving. So by having backports you are changing that.
> 
> Yes, I expressed that badly.  Blame the fact that I was more than half asleep.
> 
> And of course, if I change it, it is not stable.  

It might still be stable in the "not changing" sense, just not in the
"only build from the Stable branch sense.

> But what name would you give 
> to a Stable installation, which has had a very small number of changes 
> installed?  

A description I like is Stable with some $whatever. eg.
Stable with some Backports, Stable with some Multimedia and Backports etc.

> It seems to me that it is legitimate to say:  I want my desktop 
> to be basically Stable, but usable in the real world.  And there is no 
> shorthand name for that. 

No need if you change the angle of approach to allow for the possibility
that not everyone is going to agree upon what constitutes "basically"
(fundamentally?), "usable", and "real world".

Of course where all in agreement as to what "desktop" is. (though why
people call KDE "GNOME" always confuses me) ;-p


> 
> Lisi
> 
> 


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Friday 06 April 2012 23:16:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
> You seem to be confusing the meaning of stable in the distribution
> sense.  It doesn't mean "free of bugs" or "unlikely to crash", it means
> unchanging/not moving. So by having backports you are changing that.

Yes, I expressed that badly.  Blame the fact that I was more than half asleep.

And of course, if I change it, it is not stable.  But what name would you give 
to a Stable installation, which has had a very small number of changes 
installed?  It seems to me that it is legitimate to say:  I want my desktop 
to be basically Stable, but usable in the real world.  And there is no 
shorthand name for that. 

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 04:33:54PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> > Perhaps better names would have been unpredictable/testing/predictable?
> 
> Volatile, Staging, Repeatable?

Volatile has been used for ephemeral packages. No need to cloud murky
waters even further.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Bob Proulx]

Chris Bannister wrote:
> Perhaps better names would have been unpredictable/testing/predictable?

Volatile, Staging, Repeatable?

Bob


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 05:21:01PM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Friday 06 April 2012 17:02:05 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > Ummm, well, obviously if you have backports in your sources list you are
> > no longer running stable.
> 
> It depends on the pinning.  I have it in my sources.list, but I have to ask 
> for it expressly for a particular package.  I don't feel that one or two 
> backported packages immediately means that the system is not stable/Stable.  
> What about the multimedia repository?  Opera?  etc.  Obviously anything that 
> comes out of any repository other than main is not true-blue-pucka Stable.  
> But in the real world one sometimes has to compromise, and I would still feel 
> able to claim that my Stable box is just that, Stable.

You seem to be confusing the meaning of stable in the distribution
sense.  It doesn't mean "free of bugs" or "unlikely to crash", it means
unchanging/not moving. So by having backports you are changing that.

Likewise, unstable doesn't mean "buggy" or "likely to crash", it means
"constantly changing". 

Perhaps better names would have been unpredictable/testing/predictable?

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Friday 06 April 2012 17:02:05 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 06:29:19PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> > 2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
> > /etc/apt/preferences) :
> >
> > Package: *
> > Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
> > Pin-Priority: 500
> >
> > WARNING TO STEP TWO: This will make all packages from backports have
> > same priority as packages from main repositories, so ALL packages will
> > be installed from backports if they are newer than the ones at main
> > repositories. If you are using Squeeze for stability, you might not
> > want this.
>
> Ummm, well, obviously if you have backports in your sources list you are
> no longer running stable.

It depends on the pinning.  I have it in my sources.list, but I have to ask 
for it expressly for a particular package.  I don't feel that one or two 
backported packages immediately means that the system is not stable/Stable.  
What about the multimedia repository?  Opera?  etc.  Obviously anything that 
comes out of any repository other than main is not true-blue-pucka Stable.  
But in the real world one sometimes has to compromise, and I would still feel 
able to claim that my Stable box is just that, Stable.

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 06:29:19PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> 2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
> /etc/apt/preferences) :
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
> Pin-Priority: 500
> 
> WARNING TO STEP TWO: This will make all packages from backports have
> same priority as packages from main repositories, so ALL packages will
> be installed from backports if they are newer than the ones at main
> repositories. If you are using Squeeze for stability, you might not
> want this.

Ummm, well, obviously if you have backports in your sources list you are
no longer running stable.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Robert Holtzman]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 01:31:53PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:

   .snip
> >
> >Moreover, Wheezy is available now.  You do not need to wait until it is
> >released, by when it will no longer be cutting edge, that is, if it even is
> >now.
> >
> >Lisi
> >
> >
> 
> They are not self contradictory. I can have both.
> 
> And I am not pressurizing Debian into becoming Ubuntu. I use both
> Debian and Ubuntu.

You sound as though you have never worked in any kind of manufacturing
industry. There the motto is "You can have it fast, cheap, or right.
Pick any two". 

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Wolodja Wentland]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 13:04 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x.
> As we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel
> 2.6.
> 
> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
> have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
> Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
> required).

You do not have to wait for wheezy's release (which will be released when it is
ready) if all you want from it is a new kernel. Recent kernels can be installed
quite easily from backports:

1. Follow http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
(you might want "main contrib non-free" if you need firmware)

2. Run: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')

That will install a suitable metapackage for your system from backports and
would pull in linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 at the moment.
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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Alan Chandler]

On 27/03/12 06:04, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

Hi,

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As 
we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.


When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release 
seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already have the 
latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I 
want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).


Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!! 
I am already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom N455 1.6 
GHz netbook, with Shorewall Firewall configuration.


Thank you very much.


You could use SID.

I have it on a desktop I use every day and 99% of the time it works 
well.  Every so often (like a few days ago with libpcre) some crucial 
package gets messed up and my computer does too - but normally there is 
a pretty quick away around it, or a fix will be forthcoming within a day 
or so.


I use squeeze on my servers - here stability is more important than 
bleeding edge and that seems to work just fine.  The only additional 
software packages (other than those in the standard repositor) that I 
generally install on the servers are web packages like (for instance) 
drupal or wordpress.  But they just use the underlying LAMP stack.


If these extra packages don't work with Squeeze, I just regard that as 
one more criteria with which to judge them as unsuitable.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:06:24 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

> On 28/03/2012 22:34, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

> Debian developers, please speed up!
 Please don't, keep things stable and take your time :-)
>>> I want it fast!
>> "Fast" does not match with stability and well-tested software, two
>> magic words that usually go along with Debian stable releases. If you
>> want "fast" things you can keep a perpetual testing or use sid.
>>
>>
> I just like to download and compile the latest Linux kernels!!!

And nobody impedes you from doing it.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[PMA]

amen

Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Vi, 30 mar 12, 13:17:16, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

On 28/03/2012 16:04, Keith McKenzie wrote:

On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:



I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.

The two are incompatible!


Who says so.


Experience :)

Bleeding edge technology is not stable and reliable because humans don't
design stuff that works perfectly the first time and by the time they
have found the bugs the technology is not bleeding edge anymore.

Kind regards,
Andrei



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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:34:46 +0800, Teo wrote in message 
<4f725ca6.1030...@gmail.com>:

> On 28/03/2012 03:13, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
> >   wrote:
> >> Too slow!
> > Not at all.
> > You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
> > of speed fits you better.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kelly Clowers
> >
> >
> I am right now installing Debian Squeeze amd64 via netboot Xen 
> installation on my Ubuntu 11.10 amd64 host. It takes a long time to 
> download packages from the cdn.debian.net mirror though.

..so speed it up, set up your own lan mirror:
root@epc9:~# du -sch /var/www/debian/*
134M/var/www/debian/dists
1000K   /var/www/debian/doc
194G/var/www/debian/pool
16K /var/www/debian/project
4.0K/var/www/debian/README
4.0K/var/www/debian/README.CD-manufacture
4.0K/var/www/debian/README.html
172K/var/www/debian/README.mirrors.html
92K /var/www/debian/README.mirrors.txt
2.4M/var/www/debian/tools
194Gtotal
root@epc9:~# 

..me, I forgot all about Experimental, so I've only got Sid, 
testing and stable for amd64, i386, source and hurd-i386.

..anyone with a 'du -sch /var/www/debian/*' that includes
Experimental?

> It is a 
> paravirtualized (PV) Debian squeeze guest installation.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Keith McKenzie]

On 30/03/12 10:15, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

On 29/03/2012 05:03, Lisi wrote:

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

I want it fast!

Then use Ubuntu.

Lisi




I am already using Ubuntu 11.10.


Why not 12.04.
I thought you liked cutting edge


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Jon Dowland]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 01:22:09PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> Debian 6.0 Squeeze also supports Xen virtualization but you have to
> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64.

Thank you yes, I mentioned that myself two messages earlier in this thread:

> Besides, the 2.6 series kernels in 6.0 carry the Xen patches, e.g.
> 

> How user friendly and GUI pretty is Ganeti when compared to Virtual
> Machine Manager/libvirt? I know VMM has a very simple GUI interface.

They operate at different levels of abstraction so they are quite hard to
compare in this regard. I'd recommend trying it.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 30/03/2012 16:35, Lisi wrote:

On Friday 30 March 2012 06:31:53 you wrote:

On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:

On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:

I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.

You can't have both, they are self-contradictory.  If you prize bleeding
edge technology above stability and reliability then you clearly need
Ubuntu. Stop trying to pressure Debian into becoming Ubuntu. Many of us
like it how it is and do not want to use an Ubuntu clone.

Moreover, Wheezy is available now.  You do not need to wait until it is
released, by when it will no longer be cutting edge, that is, if it even
is now.

Lisi

They are not self contradictory. I can have both.

And I am not pressurizing Debian into becoming Ubuntu. I use both Debian
and Ubuntu.

I neither know nor care how many angels can dance on a pinhead.  You may use
Debian, but you are making it abundantly clear, whatever you say, that you
don't like it and would like it to be a poor clone of Ubuntu.

This is descending into farce.  I disagree profoundly with you, but there is
no point in saying the same thing over and over again, and I shall not do so
in future.

So _please_ _stop_ sending your replies to my private address.  I read the
list.

Lisi





That is your own interpretation.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 30/03/2012 16:11, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Vi, 30 mar 12, 13:17:16, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

On 28/03/2012 16:04, Keith McKenzie wrote:

On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.

The two are incompatible!


Who says so.

Experience :)

Bleeding edge technology is not stable and reliable because humans don't
design stuff that works perfectly the first time and by the time they
have found the bugs the technology is not bleeding edge anymore.

Kind regards,
Andrei

Nothing in the world is perfect.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 30/03/2012 14:59, Lisi wrote:

On Friday 30 March 2012 06:31:53 you wrote:

On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:

On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:

I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.

You can't have both, they are self-contradictory.  If you prize bleeding
edge technology above stability and reliability then you clearly need
Ubuntu. Stop trying to pressure Debian into becoming Ubuntu. Many of us
like it how it is and do not want to use an Ubuntu clone.

Moreover, Wheezy is available now.  You do not need to wait until it is
released, by when it will no longer be cutting edge, that is, if it even
is now.

Lisi

They are not self contradictory. I can have both.

No. You can't.  And yes, you are.  Stability and reliability take time to
achieve.  Time != cutting edge.


And I am not pressurizing Debian into becoming Ubuntu. I use both Debian
and Ubuntu.

Then stop doing so.  The Debian policy is not to release stable while any
major bugs remain.  There is always Sid for cutting edge.  That is at the
heart of what Debian is.

If you don't like that, use Ubuntu and stop putting pressure on Debian to
change.

Lisi


I am not putting pressure on Debian to change.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

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On 29/03/2012 13:51, Mika Suomalainen wrote:

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Why not Sid?

Lisi  wrote:


On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

I want it fast!

Then use Ubuntu.

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 29/03/2012 05:03, Lisi wrote:

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

I want it fast!

Then use Ubuntu.

Lisi




I am already using Ubuntu 11.10.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 29/03/2012 00:38, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Mi, 28 mar 12, 18:29:19, Mika Suomalainen wrote:

2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
/etc/apt/preferences) :

Package: *
Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
Pin-Priority: 500

WARNING TO STEP TWO: This will make all packages from backports have
same priority as packages from main repositories, so ALL packages will
be installed from backports if they are newer than the ones at main
repositories. If you are using Squeeze for stability, you might not
want this.

I'm quite convinced it's safer to run testing instead. Backports is not
(and never was) intended to be used like this. For example some packages
in backports may not work well together (or at all) even if they do so
in testing.

Kind regards,
Andrei


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

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On 28/03/2012 23:29, Mika Suomalainen wrote:

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Hi,

If someone wants Linux Kernel 3.X to quickly, it seems that it can be
found in Debian Backports http://backports-master.debian.org/ .

If someone wants to get the new kernel quickly, they probably want to
get everything else quickly too.

1. Add these two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list :
deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
deb-src http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports
main

2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
/etc/apt/preferences) :

Package: *
Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
Pin-Priority: 500

WARNING TO STEP TWO: This will make all packages from backports have
same priority as packages from main repositories, so ALL packages will
be installed from backports if they are newer than the ones at main
repositories. If you are using Squeeze for stability, you might not
want this.

PS. I am using Sid ;)

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 28/03/2012 22:34, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:00:18 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:


On 27/03/2012 22:14, Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:


I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As
we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Kernel 3.x is just a naming marketing strategy, indeed it's 2.6.40.
Anyway, there's a kernel 3.2 available in the backports.

I already have Linux kernel 3.3.0.

So then, what? :-)

Anyway, IIRC it was mentioned by Debian kernel devels that wheezy will be
released with kernel 3.2.x.


When will Debian 7.0 be released?

AFAIK, it will be frozen in ~June, released... nobody knows, that's a
feature.

Frozen in June 2012?

Yes, that's how it is (at least to my knowledge).


Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems very slow when all the
other Linux distros already have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I
want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play around with Xen
virtualization (dom0 required).

You can go to "www.kernel.org", download the greatest and latest 3.3
(still in devel branch) and compile by yourself using your current
kernel ".config" file.

I always go to kernel.org to get my latest Linux kernels. I have already
compiled and installed 3.2.11, 3.2.12, 3.2.13, 3.3.0-rc7, and 3.3.0
myself.

So then, what? :-)


Debian developers, please speed up!

Please don't, keep things stable and take your time :-)

I want it fast!

"Fast" does not match with stability and well-tested software, two magic
words that usually go along with Debian stable releases. If you want
"fast" things you can keep a perpetual testing or use sid.

Greetings,


I just like to download and compile the latest Linux kernels!!!

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Friday 30 March 2012 06:31:53 you wrote:
> On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:
> > On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:
> >> I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
> >> course I still want stability and reliability.
> >
> > You can't have both, they are self-contradictory.  If you prize bleeding
> > edge technology above stability and reliability then you clearly need
> > Ubuntu. Stop trying to pressure Debian into becoming Ubuntu. Many of us
> > like it how it is and do not want to use an Ubuntu clone.
> >
> > Moreover, Wheezy is available now.  You do not need to wait until it is
> > released, by when it will no longer be cutting edge, that is, if it even
> > is now.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> They are not self contradictory. I can have both.
>
> And I am not pressurizing Debian into becoming Ubuntu. I use both Debian
> and Ubuntu.

I neither know nor care how many angels can dance on a pinhead.  You may use 
Debian, but you are making it abundantly clear, whatever you say, that you 
don't like it and would like it to be a poor clone of Ubuntu.

This is descending into farce.  I disagree profoundly with you, but there is 
no point in saying the same thing over and over again, and I shall not do so 
in future.

So _please_ _stop_ sending your replies to my private address.  I read the 
list.

Lisi



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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 30 mar 12, 13:17:16, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> On 28/03/2012 16:04, Keith McKenzie wrote:
> >On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> >>>
> >>I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
> >>course I still want stability and reliability.
> >The two are incompatible!
> >
> Who says so.

Experience :)

Bleeding edge technology is not stable and reliable because humans don't 
design stuff that works perfectly the first time and by the time they 
have found the bugs the technology is not bleeding edge anymore.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Friday 30 March 2012 07:45:24 Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> > On Thursday 29 March 2012 17:21:48 Tom H wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> >> >> I want it fast!
> >> >
> >> > Then use Ubuntu.
> >>
> >> You must mean "use non-LTS."
> >
> > That's up to him, but Debian is patently not what he wants.  He is doing
> > his best to change it.
>
> Using testing or unstable would be the same as using non-LTS Ubuntu.

I realise that.  It is not I who am complaining.  I like Debian as it is!

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Tom H]

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> On Thursday 29 March 2012 17:21:48 Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Lisi  wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>> >> I want it fast!
>> >
>> > Then use Ubuntu.
>>
>> You must mean "use non-LTS."
>
> That's up to him, but Debian is patently not what he wants.  He is doing his
> best to change it.

Using testing or unstable would be the same as using non-LTS Ubuntu.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 28/03/2012 17:11, Richard Hector wrote:

On 27/03/12 19:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:


Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer,

And here was me thinking it would be this winter.

Hint: This is an international list. Seasons aren't good for
international representation of dates :-)

Richard



I agree totally.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:

On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:

I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.

You can't have both, they are self-contradictory.  If you prize bleeding edge
technology above stability and reliability then you clearly need Ubuntu.
Stop trying to pressure Debian into becoming Ubuntu. Many of us like it how
it is and do not want to use an Ubuntu clone.

Moreover, Wheezy is available now.  You do not need to wait until it is
released, by when it will no longer be cutting edge, that is, if it even is
now.

Lisi




They are not self contradictory. I can have both.

And I am not pressurizing Debian into becoming Ubuntu. I use both Debian 
and Ubuntu.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 28/03/2012 16:34, Jon Dowland wrote:

On 27/03/12 11:55, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

libvirt and virt-manager are not virtualization solutions/hypervisors.
They are virtualization management tools.


I am of course absolutely aware of that.  I could have simply said that
Debian 6.0 supports KVM, but offered the management tools as further 
evidence that 6.0 was a good platform for a virtualisation solution, in

the hope of being helpful.

Here's further (perhaps futile) effort to try and be helpful: 6.0 (and 
earlier) also have Ganeti: 


IMHO the management tools are MUCH more important than the underlying 
technology.  If I could only choose either the base VM tech or the 
management tool, I'd always opt to have control over the latter.




Dear Jon Dowland,

Debian 6.0 Squeeze also supports Xen virtualization but you have to 
apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64.


How user friendly and GUI pretty is Ganeti when compared to Virtual 
Machine Manager/libvirt? I know VMM has a very simple GUI interface.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 28/03/2012 16:04, Keith McKenzie wrote:

On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:



I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.

The two are incompatible!



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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Thursday 29 March 2012 17:21:48 Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> > On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> >> I want it fast!
> >
> > Then use Ubuntu.
>
> You must mean "use non-LTS."

That's up to him, but Debian is patently not what he wants.  He is doing his 
best to change it.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

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On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>>
>> I want it fast!
>
> Then use Ubuntu.

You must mean "use non-LTS."


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 29 mar 12, 12:34:10, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> 
> I have used both Ubuntu and Debian Sid and according to my experience,
> Sid is usually more stable than Ubuntu. The only expection in
> stabiliness was that "Problematic upgrade" (name of thread on this
> list) of libpcsomething3.

It seems you mean application stability (as in not crashing). The OP 
might also be interested in version stability, at least over some period 
of time, while sid has a constant stream of updates. The only thing in 
Debian that would be comparable are the snapshots proposed as 
alternative to CUT.

Of course, one could just not upgrade for a while, but this means more 
security bugs and the upgrade may become more and more difficult over 
time[1], without having the benefit of the testing and documentation of 
a stable release upgrade.

[1] probably nothing an experienced sid user can't handle, but I still 
wouldn't recommend it to someone new to Debian

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Thursday 29 March 2012 06:51:30 Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> Lisi  wrote:
> >On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> >> I want it fast!
> >
> >Then use Ubuntu.
>
> Why not Sid?

I thought it possible that Ubuntu was nearer to the stability also required.  
Since I have only tried and not used both Sid and Ubuntu I would not take a 
stand on that.  But I did consider it.

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

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It seems that you sent this email directly to me and not to the list.
I presume that this happened by accident.

I have used both Ubuntu and Debian Sid and according to my experience,
Sid is usually more stable than Ubuntu. The only expection in
stabiliness was that "Problematic upgrade" (name of thread on this
list) of libpcsomething3.

On 29.03.2012 10:42, Lisi wrote:
> On Thursday 29 March 2012 06:51:30 Mika Suomalainen wrote:
>> Why not Sid?
>> 
>> Lisi  wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
>>> wrote:
 I want it fast!
>>> 
>>> Then use Ubuntu.
> 
> I thought it possible that Ubuntu was nearer to the stability also
> required. Since I have only tried and not used both Sid and Ubuntu
> I would not take a stand on that.  But I did consider it.
> 
> Lisi

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

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Why not Sid?

Lisi  wrote:

>On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>> I want it fast!
>
>Then use Ubuntu.
>
>Lisi
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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I want it fast!

Then use Ubuntu.

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 11:50:16 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> Are you saying Debian 7 will
> only be released early next year? So slow!

Good.  Slow and steady not only wins the race, it also leads to stable and 
reliable software.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 28 mar 12, 18:29:19, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> 
> 2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
> /etc/apt/preferences) :
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
> Pin-Priority: 500
> 
> WARNING TO STEP TWO: This will make all packages from backports have
> same priority as packages from main repositories, so ALL packages will
> be installed from backports if they are newer than the ones at main
> repositories. If you are using Squeeze for stability, you might not
> want this.

I'm quite convinced it's safer to run testing instead. Backports is not 
(and never was) intended to be used like this. For example some packages 
in backports may not work well together (or at all) even if they do so 
in testing.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

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Hi,

If someone wants Linux Kernel 3.X to quickly, it seems that it can be
found in Debian Backports http://backports-master.debian.org/ .

If someone wants to get the new kernel quickly, they probably want to
get everything else quickly too.

1. Add these two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list :
deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
deb-src http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports
main

2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
/etc/apt/preferences) :

Package: *
Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
Pin-Priority: 500

WARNING TO STEP TWO: This will make all packages from backports have
same priority as packages from main repositories, so ALL packages will
be installed from backports if they are newer than the ones at main
repositories. If you are using Squeeze for stability, you might not
want this.

PS. I am using Sid ;)

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Simon Brandmair]

On 27/3/2012 07:10 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

> When will Debian 7.0 be released?

When it's done.

SCNR.
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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:00:18 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

> On 27/03/2012 22:14, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>>
>>> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As
>>> we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
>> Kernel 3.x is just a naming marketing strategy, indeed it's 2.6.40.
>> Anyway, there's a kernel 3.2 available in the backports.
> 
> I already have Linux kernel 3.3.0.

So then, what? :-)

Anyway, IIRC it was mentioned by Debian kernel devels that wheezy will be 
released with kernel 3.2.x.

>>> When will Debian 7.0 be released?
>> AFAIK, it will be frozen in ~June, released... nobody knows, that's a
>> feature.
> 
> Frozen in June 2012?

Yes, that's how it is (at least to my knowledge).

>>> Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems very slow when all the
>>> other Linux distros already have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I
>>> want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play around with Xen
>>> virtualization (dom0 required).
>> You can go to "www.kernel.org", download the greatest and latest 3.3
>> (still in devel branch) and compile by yourself using your current
>> kernel ".config" file.
> 
> I always go to kernel.org to get my latest Linux kernels. I have already
> compiled and installed 3.2.11, 3.2.12, 3.2.13, 3.3.0-rc7, and 3.3.0
> myself.

So then, what? :-)

>>> Debian developers, please speed up!
>> Please don't, keep things stable and take your time :-)
> 
> I want it fast!

"Fast" does not match with stability and well-tested software, two magic 
words that usually go along with Debian stable releases. If you want 
"fast" things you can keep a perpetual testing or use sid.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 28 mar 12, 22:11:42, Richard Hector wrote:
> On 27/03/12 19:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
> 
> > Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer,
> 
> And here was me thinking it would be this winter.
> 
> Hint: This is an international list. Seasons aren't good for
> international representation of dates :-)

Depends on the calendar used: according to ddate(1) wheezy is due to 
freeze in Confusion :p

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Richard Hector]

On 27/03/12 19:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:

> Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer,

And here was me thinking it would be this winter.

Hint: This is an international list. Seasons aren't good for
international representation of dates :-)

Richard


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:
> I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
> course I still want stability and reliability.

You can't have both, they are self-contradictory.  If you prize bleeding edge 
technology above stability and reliability then you clearly need Ubuntu.  
Stop trying to pressure Debian into becoming Ubuntu. Many of us like it how 
it is and do not want to use an Ubuntu clone.

Moreover, Wheezy is available now.  You do not need to wait until it is 
released, by when it will no longer be cutting edge, that is, if it even is 
now.

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Jon Dowland]

On 27/03/12 11:55, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

libvirt and virt-manager are not virtualization solutions/hypervisors.
They are virtualization management tools.


I am of course absolutely aware of that.  I could have simply said that
Debian 6.0 supports KVM, but offered the management tools as further 
evidence that 6.0 was a good platform for a virtualisation solution, in

the hope of being helpful.

Here's further (perhaps futile) effort to try and be helpful: 6.0 (and 
earlier) also have Ganeti: 


IMHO the management tools are MUCH more important than the underlying 
technology.  If I could only choose either the base VM tech or the 
management tool, I'd always opt to have control over the latter.



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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Keith McKenzie]

On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:



I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.

The two are incompatible!


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 28/03/2012 04:48, Lisi wrote:

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:13:57 Kelly Clowers wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)

  wrote:

Too slow!

Not at all.
You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
of speed fits you better.

+1

Some of us prize reliability above the cutting edge.  And as Kelly points out,
you can always use Ubuntu.

Lisi


I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of 
course I still want stability and reliability.


I love both Ubuntu and Debian. I was using Fedora 11 x86-64 previously.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 28/03/2012 03:13, Kelly Clowers wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
  wrote:

Too slow!

Not at all.
You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
of speed fits you better.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


I am right now installing Debian Squeeze amd64 via netboot Xen 
installation on my Ubuntu 11.10 amd64 host. It takes a long time to 
download packages from the cdn.debian.net mirror though. It is a 
paravirtualized (PV) Debian squeeze guest installation.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:13:57 Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
>
>  wrote:
> > Too slow!
>
> Not at all.
> You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
> of speed fits you better.

+1

Some of us prize reliability above the cutting edge.  And as Kelly points out, 
you can always use Ubuntu.

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
 wrote:
> Too slow!

Not at all.
You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
of speed fits you better.


Cheers,
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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

Too slow!

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On 28/03/2012 01:31, Johan Grönqvist wrote:

Sorry about my geographical bias. Freeze around June or july, release perhaps 
between december and april.

/ Johan

"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)"  skrev:


On 27/03/2012 14:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:

2012-03-27 07:04, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) skrev:

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play
around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

Debian developers, please speed up!

I would recommend debian testing, wheezy (to become debian 7), even
before it is formally released. I use debian testing (currently
wheezy) as my primary os, and in my experience it is more reliable
than (non-LTS) releases of ubuntu.

It might require more knowledge, but if your aim is defined as
"playing around", I do not think that should be a hindrance.

Advice will vary a lot, and the above is only my personal opinion.

Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer, and I think people
expect a release sometime in late autumn or winter, perhaps early next
year.

Regards

Johan



Dear Johan,

I am living in Singapore, where it is summer all year round. I do not
know when it is summer, autumn or winter. Are you saying Debian 7 will
only be released early next year? So slow!

Btw I am already using Debian testing/wheezy on my Samsung Intel Atom
netbook.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 22:14, Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:


I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Kernel 3.x is just a naming marketing strategy, indeed it's 2.6.40.
Anyway, there's a kernel 3.2 available in the backports.


I already have Linux kernel 3.3.0.




When will Debian 7.0 be released?

AFAIK, it will be frozen in ~June, released... nobody knows, that's a
feature.


Frozen in June 2012?


Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems very slow when all the other
Linux distros already have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want
Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization
(dom0 required).

You can go to "www.kernel.org", download the greatest and latest 3.3
(still in devel branch) and compile by yourself using your current kernel
".config" file.


I always go to kernel.org to get my latest Linux kernels. I have already 
compiled and installed 3.2.11, 3.2.12, 3.2.13, 3.3.0-rc7, and 3.3.0 myself.



Debian developers, please speed up!

Please don't, keep things stable and take your time :-)


I want it fast!





I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!!

(...)

> From your last posts to the list, nobody would have said it...

Greetings,




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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Tom H]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU
 wrote:
> On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>>
>> Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
>> 2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.
>
> You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has
> the Xen bits though.

You don't *need* backports. linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64,
xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64, and xen-utils-4.0 will do. It's Ubuntu that
doesn't have precompiled dom0 support.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
> all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Kernel 3.x is just a naming marketing strategy, indeed it's 2.6.40. 
Anyway, there's a kernel 3.2 available in the backports.
 
> When will Debian 7.0 be released? 

AFAIK, it will be frozen in ~June, released... nobody knows, that's a 
feature.

> Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems very slow when all the other
> Linux distros already have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want
> Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization
> (dom0 required).

You can go to "www.kernel.org", download the greatest and latest 3.3 
(still in devel branch) and compile by yourself using your current kernel 
".config" file.

> Debian developers, please speed up! 

Please don't, keep things stable and take your time :-)

> I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!! 

(...)

>From your last posts to the list, nobody would have said it...

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Xen vs KVM (was: Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Aaron Toponce]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> > When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> > release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
> > have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
> > Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
> > required).
>
> So you want a cutting-edge kernel to play with yesterday's virtualisation
> technology? The mind boggles!  Debian 6.0 has KVM, libvirt, virt-manager…

How is Xen yesterday's virtualization technology? It's fully supported by
Citrix XenServer and Oracle VM. Sun used it for the basis of their xVM
solution, and Virtual Iron used Xen for the basis of theirs as well (both
of whom were purchased by Oracle).

Some will say that Xen is more stable than KVM. After being a RHEL and
Debian system administrator, and deploying KVM with both the commercial
RHEV product, and with libvrt(8) and virt-manager(1), I think I agree. I've
had the hypervisor kernel do some wacky stuff with KVM that I haven't seen
with Xen. With that said, my heart belongs to KVM, I just wish it had a bit
more stability.

Xen also has a longer history of 3rd party support, and has had a longer
time to mature. It was just recently accepted into the mainline Linux
kernel, and still shows very active development. Xen also supports full
virtualization and paravirtualization.

IMO, Xen isn't "yesterday's virtualization technology". It's very current,
stable, flexible, supported and very much "today's virtualization
technology".

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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 20:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.

You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has
the Xen bits though.

Kind regards,
Andrei
I am already using the latest Linux Kernel 3.3.0 with Xen dom0 and domU 
support all compiled in.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 19:44, steef wrote:


hi,
what is the point? the so-called old 2.6. kernel does not differ much 
from the new 3.0 ones. so: be patient. wheezy-completed comes when ready.


reg.,

steef




Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) schreef:

Hi,

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As 
we all

know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x 
release seems

very slow when all the other Linux distros already have the latest Linux
Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play 
around with

Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!! 
I am
already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom N455 1.6 GHz 
netbook,

with Shorewall Firewall configuration.

Thank you very much.





Dear steef,

There is a difference. Old Linux kernel 2.6 does not support Xen 
virtualization dom0 unless specially patched. Linux 3.0 comes with both 
Xen dom0 and domU support out-of-the-box.


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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> 
> Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
> 2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.

You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has 
the Xen bits though.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[steef]

hi,
what is the point? the so-called old 2.6. kernel does not differ much from the 
new 3.0 ones. so: be patient. wheezy-completed comes when ready.


reg.,

steef




Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) schreef:

Hi,

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we all
know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems
very slow when all the other Linux distros already have the latest Linux
Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play around with
Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!! I am
already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom N455 1.6 GHz netbook,
with Shorewall Firewall configuration.

Thank you very much.




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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Joe]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As
> we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
> 
> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already have
> the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because
> I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).
> 
> Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!!
> I am already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom N455 1.6
> GHz netbook, with Shorewall Firewall configuration.
> 

So why do you care when wheezy is officially declared released? Nothing
dramatic will happen to it on that day.

You may not be aware that the released version of Debian is called
Stable. The reason for that is that the software does not change for
any reason other than to fix security bugs (well, nearly).

So once wheezy is frozen, that's it. No new software. And it will be
released when, in the opinion of the developers, it is ready for
production use in arbitrarily large organisations and public-facing
Internet servers. Debian isn't a toy, and it isn't Windows. It won't be
released while any serious bugs are known to remain unfixed.

If you would like to help speed up release, then you can help get rid
of the last thousand or so bugs, as documented here:

http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/

After the freeze, that green line has to go down fairly close to zero.
It will rise before it falls, as less well-tested software will be
pushed from Unstable into wheezy just ahead of the freeze.

Now, if it's 'play' you want, the latest and buggiest software, then
Debian Stable is not for you. You want Unstable, permanently known as
sid. It breaks badly occasionally, and at any time a few minor parts are
always broken, but that's the price of using the newest software. You
can also help here with the next release, by reporting the bits that
break when you try to use them, speeding up their transition into the
current Testing distribution.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 16:51, Jon Dowland wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x.
As we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel
2.6.

The 2.6 → 3.0 leap was not that large.


When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
required).

So you want a cutting-edge kernel to play with yesterday's virtualisation
technology? The mind boggles!  Debian 6.0 has KVM, libvirt, virt-manager…

Besides, the 2.6 series kernels in 6.0 carry the Xen patches, e.g.



Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian
Linux!!! I am already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom
N455 1.6 GHz netbook, with Shorewall Firewall configuration.

Perhaps you could help?



Dear Jon,

libvirt and virt-manager are not virtualization solutions/hypervisors. 
They are virtualization management tools.


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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 15:17, didier gaumet wrote:

Le Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800,
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)"  a écrit :

[...]

Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because
I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

[...]

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think you need another kernel than the
squeeze stock kernel. Take a look at:
  http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
and particularly:
  http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Note_on_kernel_version_compatibility




Dear didier,

Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel 2.6 in 
Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 14:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:

2012-03-27 07:04, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) skrev:

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play
around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

Debian developers, please speed up!


I would recommend debian testing, wheezy (to become debian 7), even 
before it is formally released. I use debian testing (currently 
wheezy) as my primary os, and in my experience it is more reliable 
than (non-LTS) releases of ubuntu.


It might require more knowledge, but if your aim is defined as 
"playing around", I do not think that should be a hindrance.


Advice will vary a lot, and the above is only my personal opinion.

Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer, and I think people 
expect a release sometime in late autumn or winter, perhaps early next 
year.


Regards

Johan



Dear Johan,

I am living in Singapore, where it is summer all year round. I do not 
know when it is summer, autumn or winter. Are you saying Debian 7 will 
only be released early next year? So slow!


Btw I am already using Debian testing/wheezy on my Samsung Intel Atom 
netbook.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Jon Dowland]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x.
> As we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel
> 2.6.

The 2.6 → 3.0 leap was not that large.

> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
> have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
> Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
> required).

So you want a cutting-edge kernel to play with yesterday's virtualisation
technology? The mind boggles!  Debian 6.0 has KVM, libvirt, virt-manager…

Besides, the 2.6 series kernels in 6.0 carry the Xen patches, e.g.


> Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian
> Linux!!! I am already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom
> N455 1.6 GHz netbook, with Shorewall Firewall configuration.

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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[didier gaumet]

Le Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800,
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)"  a écrit :

[...]
> Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because
> I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).
[...]

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think you need another kernel than the
squeeze stock kernel. Take a look at:
 http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
and particularly:
 http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Note_on_kernel_version_compatibility



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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Johan Grönqvist]

2012-03-27 07:04, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) skrev:

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play
around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

Debian developers, please speed up!


I would recommend debian testing, wheezy (to become debian 7), even 
before it is formally released. I use debian testing (currently wheezy) 
as my primary os, and in my experience it is more reliable than 
(non-LTS) releases of ubuntu.


It might require more knowledge, but if your aim is defined as "playing 
around", I do not think that should be a hindrance.


Advice will vary a lot, and the above is only my personal opinion.

Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer, and I think people expect 
a release sometime in late autumn or winter, perhaps early next year.


Regards

Johan


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When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

Hi,

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we 
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.


When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release 
seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already have the latest 
Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play 
around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).


Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!! I 
am already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom N455 1.6 GHz 
netbook, with Shorewall Firewall configuration.


Thank you very much.

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