Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-09 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Campbell wrote:
 don't - in fact, I've even wired my speaker through the turbo switch so
 it's off most of the time!

Hm, do you dislike beeps or what? It's pretty trivial to patch the kernel to
disable beeps, I could make a loadable module that disabled kernel beeps
while it was loaded in about 10 minutes..

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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-09 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 08 Feb 1999q, Joey Hess wrote:
 Anthony Campbell wrote:
  don't - in fact, I've even wired my speaker through the turbo switch so
  it's off most of the time!
 
 Hm, do you dislike beeps or what? It's pretty trivial to patch the kernel to
 disable beeps, I could make a loadable module that disabled kernel beeps
 while it was loaded in about 10 minutes..
 

I wired my speaker like that ages ago, perhaps even when I was still using
DOS. Anyway, at least the turbo button does something useful now...

Anthony

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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-03 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 02 Feb 1999q, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:
 
 'Fraid I can't help you with that. I usually just download the raw
 kernel source and use make-kpkg to get a kernel-image*.deb. I've never 
 had a need to build the kernel-source and kernel-headers
 packages. You'll have to rely on one of the maintainers of those
 packages to answer that question.
 

What is the point of doing this? I've always compiled my own kernels from
source, in both RedHat and Debian, and never felt the need to use either
.rpm or .deb versions. Perhaps it's because I don't use lilo but prefer
loadlin.

Anthony


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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-03 Thread E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)
 On 02 Feb 1999q, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:
  
  'Fraid I can't help you with that. I usually just download the raw
  kernel source and use make-kpkg to get a kernel-image*.deb. I've never 
  had a need to build the kernel-source and kernel-headers
  packages. You'll have to rely on one of the maintainers of those
  packages to answer that question.

Anthony replied:
 What is the point of doing this? I've always compiled my own kernels from
 source, in both RedHat and Debian, and never felt the need to use either
 .rpm or .deb versions. Perhaps it's because I don't use lilo but prefer
 loadlin.

I also use loadlin.  The nice thing I find about make-kpkg is that it
automates a number of steps you have to take in the right order,
especially if you are using modules.  It also makes it rather simple to
keep a few kernels around with their modules if you are trying to get
certain hardware working (mostly sound cards for me), or if you feel
like trying new kernel versions.

Eric Meijer

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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-03 Thread Oliver Thuns
What is the point of doing this? I've always compiled my own kernels from
source, in both RedHat and Debian, and never felt the need to use either
.rpm or .deb versions. Perhaps it's because I don't use lilo but prefer
loadlin.

Compiling a kernel is not a problem, but I only installed the base
system and don't want to manual download all the stuff I need to
compile the kernel (12 MB kernel sources, egcs, etc...). I want to
install add. packages via apt and ISDN, but the ISDN configuration
doesn't work and maybe the 2.2.1 kernel fix this problem. But I don't
want to download 12 MB kernel sources to find out that the 2.2.1 kernel
doesn't fix it. :-)

Oliver


Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-03 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 03 Feb 1999q, E.L. Meijer Eric wrote:
 Anthony replied:
  What is the point of doing this? I've always compiled my own kernels from
  source, in both RedHat and Debian, and never felt the need to use either
  .rpm or .deb versions. Perhaps it's because I don't use lilo but prefer
  loadlin.
 
 I also use loadlin.  The nice thing I find about make-kpkg is that it
 automates a number of steps you have to take in the right order,
 especially if you are using modules.  It also makes it rather simple to
 keep a few kernels around with their modules if you are trying to get
 certain hardware working (mostly sound cards for me), or if you feel
 like trying new kernel versions.
 
 Eric Meijer
 

I don't use modules, so perhaps that's the difference. Trying a new kernel
is then as easy as changing the name in the batch file from which I boot
linux. I probably would use modules if I wanted a sound card to work but I
don't - in fact, I've even wired my speaker through the turbo switch so
it's off most of the time!

Anthony


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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Anthony Campbell wrote:

 : On 02 Feb 1999q, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:
 :  
 :  'Fraid I can't help you with that. I usually just download the raw
 :  kernel source and use make-kpkg to get a kernel-image*.deb. I've never 
 :  had a need to build the kernel-source and kernel-headers
 :  packages. You'll have to rely on one of the maintainers of those
 :  packages to answer that question.
 :  
 : 
 : What is the point of doing this? I've always compiled my own kernels from
 : source, in both RedHat and Debian, and never felt the need to use either
 : .rpm or .deb versions. Perhaps it's because I don't use lilo but prefer
 : loadlin.

Several reasons come to mind.  Modules become foolproof.  dselect can't
accidentally replace your custom kernel (it sucks if/when it does and
you don't notice until you reboot ...)

My biggest reason, though, is we have a pretty fast server here where
all kernel compiles occur.  It's a pain to transfer the parts of the
source tree to the target machine.  It's simplicity itself to
transfer/install a deb, OTOH ...

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Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-02 Thread M.C. Vernon
I saw the uploaded message days ago, and sunsite still doesn't have the
kernel-source or kernel-headers packages available yet :(

ftp.debian.org doesn't either

Matthew

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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-02 Thread Mike Garfias
M.C. Vernon spoke forth with the blessed manuscript:
 I saw the uploaded message days ago, and sunsite still doesn't have the
 kernel-source or kernel-headers packages available yet :(
 
 ftp.debian.org doesn't either
 
 Matthew
 

[snip]

Try ftp.kernel.org


Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-02 Thread Gary L. Hennigan
Mike Garfias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| M.C. Vernon spoke forth with the blessed manuscript:
|  I saw the uploaded message days ago, and sunsite still doesn't have the
|  kernel-source or kernel-headers packages available yet :(
|  
|  ftp.debian.org doesn't either
|  
|  Matthew
|  
| 
| [snip]
| 
| Try ftp.kernel.org

It's usually a dog. I'm not sure what sunsite MC was talking about,
perhaps the UK sunsite? But certainly the sunsite in the US
(sunsite.unc.edu) has the new kernels via their mirror of
ftp.kernel.org. Here's the URL

ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/


Gary


Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-02 Thread M.C. Vernon
On 2 Feb 1999, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:

 Mike Garfias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 | M.C. Vernon spoke forth with the blessed manuscript:
 |  I saw the uploaded message days ago, and sunsite still doesn't have the
 |  kernel-source or kernel-headers packages available yet :(

snip
 
 It's usually a dog. I'm not sure what sunsite MC was talking about,
 perhaps the UK sunsite? But certainly the sunsite in the US
 (sunsite.unc.edu) has the new kernels via their mirror of
 ftp.kernel.org. Here's the URL
 
 ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/

Yes, but I was wondering about the kernel-source and kernel-headers
packages. How can I make these fromt he kernel source .tar.gz?

Matthew

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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-02 Thread Gary L. Hennigan
M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| On 2 Feb 1999, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:
| 
|  Mike Garfias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
|  
|  | M.C. Vernon spoke forth with the blessed manuscript:
|  |  I saw the uploaded message days ago, and sunsite still doesn't have the
|  |  kernel-source or kernel-headers packages available yet :(
| 
| snip
|  
|  It's usually a dog. I'm not sure what sunsite MC was talking about,
|  perhaps the UK sunsite? But certainly the sunsite in the US
|  (sunsite.unc.edu) has the new kernels via their mirror of
|  ftp.kernel.org. Here's the URL
|  
|  ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/
| 
| Yes, but I was wondering about the kernel-source and kernel-headers
| packages. How can I make these fromt he kernel source .tar.gz?

'Fraid I can't help you with that. I usually just download the raw
kernel source and use make-kpkg to get a kernel-image*.deb. I've never 
had a need to build the kernel-source and kernel-headers
packages. You'll have to rely on one of the maintainers of those
packages to answer that question.

Gary


Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-02 Thread servis
*- On  2 Feb, M.C. Vernon wrote about Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?
 On 2 Feb 1999, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:
 
 Mike Garfias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 | M.C. Vernon spoke forth with the blessed manuscript:
 |  I saw the uploaded message days ago, and sunsite still doesn't have the
 |  kernel-source or kernel-headers packages available yet :(
 
 snip
  
 It's usually a dog. I'm not sure what sunsite MC was talking about,
 perhaps the UK sunsite? But certainly the sunsite in the US
 (sunsite.unc.edu) has the new kernels via their mirror of
 ftp.kernel.org. Here's the URL
 
 ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/
 
 Yes, but I was wondering about the kernel-source and kernel-headers
 packages. How can I make these fromt he kernel source .tar.gz?
 
 Matthew
 

Install the kernel-package Debian package. Then:

1) cd to the directory of the linux source
2) make-kpkg clean
3) make xconfig or make menuconfig or make config
4) make-kpkg --revision custom.1 kernel_image kernel_headers
5) cd ..
6) su
7) dpkg -i kernel-image-2.2.*.deb kernel-headers-2.2.*.deb

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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-02 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, M.C. Vernon wrote:

 On 2 Feb 1999, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:
 
  Mike Garfias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  | M.C. Vernon spoke forth with the blessed manuscript:
  |  I saw the uploaded message days ago, and sunsite still doesn't have the
  |  kernel-source or kernel-headers packages available yet :(
 
 snip
  
  It's usually a dog. I'm not sure what sunsite MC was talking about,
  perhaps the UK sunsite? But certainly the sunsite in the US
  (sunsite.unc.edu) has the new kernels via their mirror of
  ftp.kernel.org. Here's the URL
  
  ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/
 
 Yes, but I was wondering about the kernel-source and kernel-headers
 packages. How can I make these fromt he kernel source .tar.gz?
 

This can be done with make-kpkg, but this brings up a question:

I see that the kernel's README file no longer mentions symlinks in
/usr/include.

Since the headers were put into libc6-dev instead of being linked to
kernel-headers, what is the correct procedure to use when compiling on a
2.2.x system?  Should the libc6-dev headers be used or the ones from the
kernel? 

Bob


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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-02 Thread Jim Crumley
 *- On  2 Feb, M.C. Vernon wrote about Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?
  On 2 Feb 1999, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:
  
  Mike Garfias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  | M.C. Vernon spoke forth with the blessed manuscript:
  |  I saw the uploaded message days ago, and sunsite still doesn't have the
  |  kernel-source or kernel-headers packages available yet :(
  
  snip
   
  It's usually a dog. I'm not sure what sunsite MC was talking about,
  perhaps the UK sunsite? But certainly the sunsite in the US
  (sunsite.unc.edu) has the new kernels via their mirror of
  ftp.kernel.org. Here's the URL
  
  ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/
  
  Yes, but I was wondering about the kernel-source and kernel-headers
  packages. How can I make these fromt he kernel source .tar.gz?
  
  Matthew
  

The kernel-source is available as debs from ftp://ftp.netgod.bnet/linux/v2.2 .
I don't know if they are official packages, but at least they're debs.

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Re: Where is kernel 2.2.0?

1999-02-02 Thread Oliver Thuns
The kernel-source is available as debs from ftp://ftp.netgod.bnet/linux/v2.2 .
I don't know if they are official packages, but at least they're debs.

I installed the kernel-image*.deb, but there are many modules missing
(vfat, hpfs, hisax,...). If I compile the kernel-source deb, could I
compile these missing modules?

But I don't like to compile the kernel. Is there a 2.2 kernel-image deb
available with hisax and vfat modules?