Re: Which 64-bit version to use
Bret Busby wrote: On a laptop that has 4GB of RAM, and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor(which I assume to be a 64 bit CPU), I understand that a 64-bit OS is best for accessing the full GB of RAM. For 64-bit version, Ubuntu has only the AMD64 version. On the Debian web page at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ , the IA-64 has nothing to do with anything. Ignore it completely. (Different architecture. On a PC it DOES NOT COMPUTE!.) Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Which 64-bit version to use
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Bret Busby wrote: > For 64-bit version, Ubuntu has only the AMD64 version. Which is all you need. > > On the Debian web page at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ , the > architectures supported, include AMD64 and Intel IA-64. Debian supports IA-64, Ubuntu does not. IA-64 is Itanium, which is a completely different CPU that was originally targeted at servers, not desktops. Unless you have an Itanium processor, you don't need or want this, because the code is completely different. > What exactly the "EM64T extension" is, or whether it is applicable to the > CPU, I do not know. EM64T is Intel's variant of the AMD64 extensions. In today's usage, there are little if no differences between the two, and the terms are interchangeable. > So, is the AMD64 ISO image, the appropriate one for a laptop with an Intel > Core 2 Duo processor, or is the Intel IA-64 the appropriate image (and, if > so, does it work?) ? You'll want amd64. Some people would suggest sticking with a 32-bit on such a system, because of the relatively low-memory footprint. OTOH, when I put together my first 64-bit system last summer, I only had 2 gigs of RAM, and I went to 64-bit. My current systems have a bit more RAM (3 gigs on the laptop, and 4 on the desktop Core2Quad), so for me, it's 64 bit all the way :). -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Which 64-bit version to use
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 01:19:15AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > So, is the AMD64 ISO image, the appropriate one for a laptop with an > Intel Core 2 Duo processor, or is the Intel IA-64 the appropriate image > (and, if so, does it work?) ? Yes, and yes. amd64 is used because AMD processors were the first to have that technology, which subsequently was adopted by Intel as well for theit processors (EM64T was the name they used). So, amd64 should work just fine. > Could someone please clarify which is the appropriate version to > install, given the CPU and the 4GB of RAM? I use amd64 on my 4 GB RAM laptop, and it works fine. HTH. Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Which 64-bit version to use
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Bret Busby wrote: > > On a laptop that has 4GB of RAM, and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor(which I > assume to be a 64 bit CPU), I understand that a 64-bit OS is best for > accessing the full GB of RAM. > > For 64-bit version, Ubuntu has only the AMD64 version. > > On the Debian web page at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ , the > architectures supported, include AMD64 and Intel IA-64. > > On the Debian web page for AMD64, at http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ , > is stated > "The port consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension > and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common 64bit userspace." > > What exactly the "EM64T extension" is, or whether it is applicable to the > CPU, I do not know. > > On the Debian web page for Intel IA-64, at > http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ , is stated > "IA-64 has been a supported Debian architecture since Debian 3.0 (woody) > If you would like to help, start by subscribing to the debian-ia64 mailing > list. > The normal Debian channels for acquiring installation media now include > ia64 CD images. " > > On the Debian FAQ web page (to try to find which is the appropriate ISO > image to download), the question with the label > "Which of the numerous images should I download? Do I need all of them?" at > http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd , is stated > "If your PC has a 64-bit AMD or Intel processor, you will most likely need > the "amd64" images (though "i386" is also fine), the "ia64" images will not > work." > > So, is the AMD64 ISO image, the appropriate one for a laptop with an Intel > Core 2 Duo processor, or is the Intel IA-64 the appropriate image (and, if > so, does it work?) ? > > Also, on one mirror at which I looked, is (directory listing) > > "Files > > Index of /debian/debian-cd/5.0.1/ > >NameLast modified SizeFile Description >Parent Directory- >amd64 Tue Apr 14 18:32:36 2009- >i386Tue Apr 14 18:32:37 2009- >ia64Tue Apr 14 18:32:36 2009- >multi-arch Tue Apr 14 18:32:37 2009- >trace Tue Apr 14 18:32:38 2009-" > > which makes me wonder whether "multi-arch" means multi-architecture, and > therefore, whether a multi-architecture ISO image exists, that automatically > detects the architecture and determines the appropriate architecture > installation,which it installs. > > Could someone please clarify which is the appropriate version to install, > given the CPU and the 4GB of RAM? > > Thank you in anticipation. > > -- > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > .. > > "So once you do know what the question actually is, > you'll know what the answer means." > - Deep Thought, > Chapter 28 of Book 1 of > "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: > A Trilogy In Four Parts", > written by Douglas Adams, > published by Pan Books, 1992 > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > > Just download the AMD64 version and burn it either on CD/DVD. I have an Intel Core 2 Duo PC with 8GB using Debian Lenny AMD64. EM64T: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 IA-64 architecture is intended to be used on high end servers. Don't bother to download the Iso's, those machines are VERY expensive, only big corporations can afford them. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas"
Which 64-bit version to use
On a laptop that has 4GB of RAM, and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor(which I assume to be a 64 bit CPU), I understand that a 64-bit OS is best for accessing the full GB of RAM. For 64-bit version, Ubuntu has only the AMD64 version. On the Debian web page at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ , the architectures supported, include AMD64 and Intel IA-64. On the Debian web page for AMD64, at http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ , is stated "The port consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common 64bit userspace." What exactly the "EM64T extension" is, or whether it is applicable to the CPU, I do not know. On the Debian web page for Intel IA-64, at http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ , is stated "IA-64 has been a supported Debian architecture since Debian 3.0 (woody) If you would like to help, start by subscribing to the debian-ia64 mailing list. The normal Debian channels for acquiring installation media now include ia64 CD images. " On the Debian FAQ web page (to try to find which is the appropriate ISO image to download), the question with the label "Which of the numerous images should I download? Do I need all of them?" at http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd , is stated "If your PC has a 64-bit AMD or Intel processor, you will most likely need the "amd64" images (though "i386" is also fine), the "ia64" images will not work." So, is the AMD64 ISO image, the appropriate one for a laptop with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor, or is the Intel IA-64 the appropriate image (and, if so, does it work?) ? Also, on one mirror at which I looked, is (directory listing) "Files Index of /debian/debian-cd/5.0.1/ NameLast modified SizeFile Description Parent Directory- amd64 Tue Apr 14 18:32:36 2009- i386Tue Apr 14 18:32:37 2009- ia64Tue Apr 14 18:32:36 2009- multi-arch Tue Apr 14 18:32:37 2009- trace Tue Apr 14 18:32:38 2009-" which makes me wonder whether "multi-arch" means multi-architecture, and therefore, whether a multi-architecture ISO image exists, that automatically detects the architecture and determines the appropriate architecture installation,which it installs. Could someone please clarify which is the appropriate version to install, given the CPU and the 4GB of RAM? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
