Re: Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-09 Thread Rob Owens
On Sun, Jun 06, 2010 at 01:10:33PM +0200, Klistvud wrote:
 Dne, 06. 06. 2010 11:20:51 je jida...@jidanni.org napisal(a):

 So please tell me in your opinion what common brand and series has the
 most throughly working Debian drivers and really works? Thanks you
 very much.


 IMHO, there is no such thing as Debian drivers -- if a driver works in 
 Linux, it will most certainly work in Debian too. That said, Debian  
 Stable (Lenny) uses the kernel it uses, generally not the most recent  
 one in any sense of the word. Many drivers come with newer kernels, so  
 your choice will largely depend on whether you plan to use Lenny or  
 Squeeze. A good starting point would be
 http://www.backtrack-linux.org/bt/wireless-drivers/
 and
 http://backtrack.offensive-security.com/index.php?title=HCL:Wireless

I do most of my computer parts shopping at www.newegg.com.  That site
has customer reviews for most products.  I search through the reviews
for linux and ubuntu, and I typically find comments like works out
of the box, works if you just do xyz, or doesn't work.

-Rob


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Re: Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-08 Thread Klistvud

Dne, 08. 06. 2010 03:19:16 je jida...@jidanni.org napisal(a):
Fellows, it turns out ndiswrapper can enable many Windows drivers  
to be used on Debian. Cool!


Well of course it can. That's just another area in which GNU/Linux is  
years ahead of Gates/Windows. That's not a proper driver though --  
it's just a wrapper, introducing an additional compatibility layer  
between your hardware and your operating system, and making it harder  
to troubleshoot and maintain. Moreover, a kernel running ndiswrapper is  
considered tainted (look that up on Google) and *unsupported*. When a  
given card can only use ndiswrapper and no other driver, it actually  
means that the card is *not Linux-compatible*. The fact that it can be  
made to work with a wrapper has little to do with that. What you really  
want to look for is a Linux-compatible card with a functional *native*  
Linux driver. It'll save you from many a gray hair.


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Re: Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-07 Thread jidanni
Fellows, it turns out ndiswrapper can enable many Windows drivers to be used 
on Debian. Cool!


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Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-06 Thread jidanni
I am going to town and wish to purchase the most compatible, least
problems USB wireless LAN adapter for Debian.

Please don't tell me one that I go buy, only to discover half of the
ping packets get through, etc. Whilst of course on windows they work
fine.

So please tell me in your opinion what common brand and series has the
most throughly working Debian drivers and really works? Thanks you
very much.


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Re: Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-06 Thread Anand Sivaram
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 14:50, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:

 I am going to town and wish to purchase the most compatible, least
 problems USB wireless LAN adapter for Debian.

 Please don't tell me one that I go buy, only to discover half of the
 ping packets get through, etc. Whilst of course on windows they work
 fine.

 So please tell me in your opinion what common brand and series has the
 most throughly working Debian drivers and really works? Thanks you
 very much.


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It is difficult to answer because, in many cases the same brand/model may
use different chipsets.  Many of them come with Ralink rt73, rt2xx chipsets.
 They seem to work well.


Re: Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-06 Thread Klistvud

Dne, 06. 06. 2010 11:20:51 je jida...@jidanni.org napisal(a):


So please tell me in your opinion what common brand and series has the
most throughly working Debian drivers and really works? Thanks you
very much.



IMHO, there is no such thing as Debian drivers -- if a driver works  
in Linux, it will most certainly work in Debian too. That said, Debian  
Stable (Lenny) uses the kernel it uses, generally not the most recent  
one in any sense of the word. Many drivers come with newer kernels, so  
your choice will largely depend on whether you plan to use Lenny or  
Squeeze. A good starting point would be

http://www.backtrack-linux.org/bt/wireless-drivers/
and
http://backtrack.offensive-security.com/index.php?title=HCL:Wireless
Please do check the above two links. You have to be wary though:  
vendors frequently change a chipset (or just use a newer, incompatible  
versions thereof) *without prior notice* and, moreover, without making  
any mention on the packaging.
Generally speaking, older chips are better incorporated into the kernel  
(the developers have had more time to reverse-engineer them and/or to  
iron out the bugs), but older chips are also generally not as good as  
newer ones in terms of range, power efficiency etc. Now, even with a  
good and compatible wireless chip your mileage (speed,  
compatibility, range, potential drop-outs etc.) may vary depending on  
the driver used.
In addition, if you're looking for a 802.11n adapter, I think that the  
'n' standard is *still* not completely finalized and consequently  
*nowhere near* incorporated into the mainline kernels. I would very  
much enjoy to be disproven on this though.


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Re: Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-06 Thread Klistvud

[Addendum]
FWIW (a bit of personal experience):
The Broadcom 4328 chip only works with the proprietary Broadcom driver  
and exhibits occasional disconnections, so I would not recommend it.  
Some older Broadcom chips/cards are reported to run fine though.
Belkins are *all* a no-no; Belkin occupies one of the leading places in  
the GNU/Linux hall of shame, in that it gives no support whatsoever to  
free/opensource drivers, so steer away from any Belkin you may see,  
even if available gratis or in cereal boxes.
Netgear WG111v3: has a newer chipset than prior versions and will only  
work in 2.6.30 kernels and newer (versions prior to v3 are said to work  
fine in older kernels though).


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Re: Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-06 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Hi

I've set up a laptop with a TP-Link TL-WIN322G along with wicd and it
works fine, but IIRC i had to use a recent kernel.

HTH,
Nuno

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Re: Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-06 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
An overview of available WLAN drivers can be found here
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers
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Re: Which USB wireless LAN adapter really works on Debian?

2010-06-06 Thread Dale
On 6 June 2010 18:50,  jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
 I am going to town and wish to purchase the most compatible, least
 problems USB wireless LAN adapter for Debian.

 Please don't tell me one that I go buy, only to discover half of the
 ping packets get through, etc. Whilst of course on windows they work
 fine.

 So please tell me in your opinion what common brand and series has the
 most throughly working Debian drivers and really works? Thanks you
 very much.


I bought one of theses usb wireless dongles[1] all not long ago for a
little project and it works fine under the 2.6.32 kernel. The dongle
turns out to be 27dBm which is ~500mW.

Regards
Dale

[1] 
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Wifi-11g-High-Gain-USB-5dbi-antenna-23dbm-Linux-Mac-/170418376348?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item27adba0e9c
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