Re: Which is the most stable of Debian releases?
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 11:16:34AM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > On 5/24/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > >> By the way is there a distro out there considered as stable as > >> Debian's Stable. This is not a question of which is a better distro > >> (too many variables involved there), but just a question of, "which > >> distro breaks less?" > >> > > > >Again, that is not really a fair or accurate question. I would assert > >that distros specifically targeted at certain segments of the market > >would do better in that respect. If you have a distro that is targeted > >at firewall applications, it won't be affected by things like the > >problems that occur with X, Gnome, and KDE. OTOH, anything target at > >the desktop/workstation market would include a great many more packages > >and probably have more security issues. Even those statements are very > >broad and I'm sure you could find exceptions. > > I should have specified that I meant general purpose OSes... What do you mean by 'general purpose OS'? Do you mean a desktop distro that can also do firewalling and has an MTA, etc? Do you mean a firewall/router distro that can also do X? Do you a file/mail server that can act as a desktop/router/firewall? Each OS I'm aware of has certain things they prioritize. Look at what's in Debian Important, Standard, Optional, and Extra. Debian devels invest a lot of time into each field, and Debian can be made to do (almost) anything--but the distinctions aren't there for no reason. Look at what Ubuntu installs by default: GNOME, OO.o, the GIMP, no MTA, no console-mode mail apps--it's also clear what their priorities are. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- QOTD: "What do you mean, you had the dog fixed? Just what made you think he was broken!" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which is the most stable of Debian releases?
On 5/24/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > By the way is there a distro out there considered as stable as > Debian's Stable. This is not a question of which is a better distro > (too many variables involved there), but just a question of, "which > distro breaks less?" > Again, that is not really a fair or accurate question. I would assert that distros specifically targeted at certain segments of the market would do better in that respect. If you have a distro that is targeted at firewall applications, it won't be affected by things like the problems that occur with X, Gnome, and KDE. OTOH, anything target at the desktop/workstation market would include a great many more packages and probably have more security issues. Even those statements are very broad and I'm sure you could find exceptions. I should have specified that I meant general purpose OSes... malebo
Re: Which is the most stable of Debian releases?
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: Hi, It's well-known that Debian releases are rock-solid. But I've been wondering if there's been a comparison between various releases as regards stability. It would be nice if there's some commentary from long-time Debian users (say those who experienced it pre-Woody), and another way is by judging by the number security fixes to a particular release. Any stats out there? By definition and well supported by experience, debian stable is the most stable debian. It's useless to compare current stable, debian sarge, to any debian stable in past or future. By the way is there a distro out there considered as stable as Debian's Stable. This is not a question of which is a better distro (too many variables involved there), but just a question of, "which distro breaks less?" I used to use suse and found that it breaks much more than debian. That's why I moved all my workstations and servers to debian. In general, this is a difficult question to answer generally. If one is familiar with the details of an OS it's usually more 'stable' for that person to stick with it than switching to a new system. In the long run it might pay off to switch to a more stable, but less familiar distro. Despite the fact that debian has more software packaged than other distributions, its security and stability are legendary. If you don't require all that packages (and don't bother to remove the packages not necessary for your tasks) other distributions with less packages available, but taylored to your taste may appear more stable. That's just my personal, maybe biased view. YMMV. Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which is the most stable of Debian releases?
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 04:18:28PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > Hi, > It's well-known that Debian releases are rock-solid. But I've been > wondering if there's been a comparison between various releases as > regards stability. It would be nice if there's some commentary from > long-time Debian users (say those who experienced it pre-Woody), and > another way is by judging by the number security fixes to a particular > release. Any stats out there? I've used Debian, as a user and then my own box, since Woody, but I've always run unstable, so I don't know what had less fixes. I would just like to say that the number of fixes isn't an indication of stability--the releases have had sometimes drasticly different lifecycles and each release has significantly more users, and so more critical reports come in. > By the way is there a distro out there considered as stable as > Debian's Stable. This is not a question of which is a better distro > (too many variables involved there), but just a question of, "which > distro breaks less?" The other distro's I've tried either I couldn't use the package management easily, or they broke on install--so I'm not objective ;) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which is the most stable of Debian releases?
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > Hi, > It's well-known that Debian releases are rock-solid. But I've been > wondering if there's been a comparison between various releases as > regards stability. It would be nice if there's some commentary from > long-time Debian users (say those who experienced it pre-Woody), and > another way is by judging by the number security fixes to a particular > release. Any stats out there? There is *no* value in considering the number of advisories unless you also account for things like follow-ups to the same advisory, severity, whether the exploit was seen in the wild, how long it took to create a fix, etc. Some of those factors are more under the control of the upstream developers than the Debian maintainers. So, I would say that it would be exceedingly difficult to make a quantitative analysis. > By the way is there a distro out there considered as stable as > Debian's Stable. This is not a question of which is a better distro > (too many variables involved there), but just a question of, "which > distro breaks less?" > Again, that is not really a fair or accurate question. I would assert that distros specifically targeted at certain segments of the market would do better in that respect. If you have a distro that is targeted at firewall applications, it won't be affected by things like the problems that occur with X, Gnome, and KDE. OTOH, anything target at the desktop/workstation market would include a great many more packages and probably have more security issues. Even those statements are very broad and I'm sure you could find exceptions. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Which is the most stable of Debian releases?
Hi, It's well-known that Debian releases are rock-solid. But I've been wondering if there's been a comparison between various releases as regards stability. It would be nice if there's some commentary from long-time Debian users (say those who experienced it pre-Woody), and another way is by judging by the number security fixes to a particular release. Any stats out there? By the way is there a distro out there considered as stable as Debian's Stable. This is not a question of which is a better distro (too many variables involved there), but just a question of, "which distro breaks less?" malebo
