Re: Who may post on the list.
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 08:21:08AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: snip For those persons getting tired of these non-technical posts, check out debian user spanish. High quality posts and replies and Camaleón is still there. Oh, boy. I left that ML a long time ago tired and frustated of too much useless anger. Glad to read it has improved since. -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Who may post on the list.
Hugo Vanwoerkom schreef: Lisi Reisz wrote: snip For those persons getting tired of these non-technical posts, check out debian user spanish. High quality posts and replies and Camaleón is still there. Hugo hi hugo, yes it is tiring by now. i hope my spanish is (still) good enough. regards, steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51376a5e.4010...@home.nl
Who may post on the list.
I ought not to quote from Mark without his permission, so I have firmly
pre-rapped my knuckles.
If there were a moderator I would be contacting her/him. As there is not, I
want the list's opinion, and it cannot give an opinion without the data.
As I see it Mark has no right to dictate what list members may or may not do
on-list, nor to lay down ground rules. And in my opinion the archives
matter. So if there is a simple answer it should be in the archives. My
reply to him has been bottom posted in the quotation.
quote
On Sunday 03 March 2013 23:34:48 Mark Filipak wrote:
Ms. Riesz,
You obviously do not read what people post.
When you see something on the list from me, kindly ignore it.
I've had quite enough abuse from you.
On 2013/3/3 6:23 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 03 March 2013 22:40:22 Mark Filipak wrote:
Comment: I submitted 'aptitude install wicd' because it was part of the
example I followed. Obviously, 'wicd' is not sufficient.
Why is it obviously not sufficient? I would have said that it was. But
you would need the right repositories and a connection to the net. On my
box:
root@Tux-II:/home/lisi# aptitude install wicd
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libnl1{a} libpcsclite1{a} python-glade2{a} python-iniparse{a}
python-notify{a}
python-wicd{a} wicd wicd-daemon{a} wicd-gtk{a} wpasupplicant{a}
0 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 1,180 kB of archives. After unpacking 4,212 kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n
Abort.
root@Tux-II:/home/lisi#
As you see, just wicd would be fine. I aborted because I have no
wireless on this box and so don't actually want it installed.
Question: Why
didn't 'aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb' work?
If you want to install a .deb in that way, you need to use dpkg, as
mentioned by Joe:
From the directory that the deb is in:
dpkg -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb
If it complains that there are missing dependencies, curse, wish you had
used aptitude, and install them. Someone else will need to tell you how
to manage that from a box without internet access. I, when faced with
this problem, always temporarily install an old network card so that I
have got internet access to sort things out.
HTH
Lisi
You have absoluitely no right to tell me that I may or may not post to the
list. You have every right to delete my mails unread if you so wish - or,
more intelligently, set up a filter to kill-file them.
For the record, you have had no abuse of any kind from me.
Lisi Reisz
/quote
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Re: Who may post on the list.
Lisi Reisz wrote: I ought not to quote from Mark without his permission, so I have firmly pre-rapped my knuckles. If there were a moderator I would be contacting her/him. As there is not, I want the list's opinion, and it cannot give an opinion without the data. As I see it Mark has no right to dictate what list members may or may not do on-list, nor to lay down ground rules. [SNIP] Although an unmoderated mailing list is not USENET, I have observed that some of the same dynamics. There are people with rough edges who annoy enough people into kill filing them that they give up, go away, and bother another group. Alternatively they may receive the appropriate negative feedback which eventually smooths those rough edges. I'm also observing a third response in a USENET group. There's a guy, kill filed by most of the group, who occasionally says something worthwhile. That gets picked up and triggers useful discussion. Don't sweat it, group dynamics may work slowly but it does work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513485a6.70...@cloud85.net
Re: Who may post on the list.
Dear Lisi, On 3/4/13, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: ... If there were a moderator I would be contacting her/him. As there is not, I want the list's opinion, and it cannot give an opinion without the data. As I see it Mark has no right to dictate what list members may or may not do on-list, nor to lay down ground rules. Mark has a right of free speech, as do you. This is a public mailing list. As such, he has a right to say what he likes. As do you. Similarly, he is with the right to lay down as many ground rules as he so chooses. Just as you are attempting to do here :) Of course, certain individuals, apparently yourself included, may take some netiquette-offense to his free expressions. Just as it seems that he has similarly taken some from yourself. If Mark seeks a response from yourself to his technical questions, then he may wish to moderate his ground rules, but nothing can bind his right of free speech in this way, other than his own free will. With the power of a freedom, one may wish to exercise moderation, or whatever one's own idea of wisdom is. With the exercise of a freedom, one may discover consequences other than (perhaps naively) expected :) Oh the joys of being human in a world of other humans :) :) Lisi, I consider it a good thing that you feel strongly enough about your position to voice it publicly. The spirit of learning in action. Regards Zenaan PS: Dear Mark, welcome to the list. Great to see your endeavours in regards to Debian etc, as well as your 'broad shoulders'; such can be a great asset navigating the wild and woolly world or freedom-loving libre-tech people. And in my opinion the archives matter. So if there is a simple answer it should be in the archives. My reply to him has been bottom posted in the quotation. quote On Sunday 03 March 2013 23:34:48 Mark Filipak wrote: Ms. Riesz, You obviously do not read what people post. When you see something on the list from me, kindly ignore it. I've had quite enough abuse from you. On 2013/3/3 6:23 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 03 March 2013 22:40:22 Mark Filipak wrote: Comment: I submitted 'aptitude install wicd' because it was part of the example I followed. Obviously, 'wicd' is not sufficient. Why is it obviously not sufficient? I would have said that it was. But you would need the right repositories and a connection to the net. On my box: ... HTH Lisi You have absoluitely no right to tell me that I may or may not post to the list. You have every right to delete my mails unread if you so wish - or, more intelligently, set up a filter to kill-file them. For the record, you have had no abuse of any kind from me. Lisi Reisz /quote -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnsqyxhosbfxfqt6ghu2etex34tbkvskbni+t7gjulkq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Who may post on the list.
On Monday 04 March 2013 12:52:54 Zenaan Harkness wrote: Mark has a right of free speech, as do you. This is a public mailing list. As such, he has a right to say what he likes. As do you. Yes, of course! And we each can kill-file each other. :-) I hadn't thought of it in those terms. I was thinking of list rules. But you are, of course, correct. He is free to object. I am free to ignore him. Just as I am free to reply and he is free to ignore me. Thank you, Zenaan. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201303041354.51097.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Who may post on the list.
Hi, if you don't mind me asking - how old are you too? - nir On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 04 March 2013 12:52:54 Zenaan Harkness wrote: Mark has a right of free speech, as do you. This is a public mailing list. As such, he has a right to say what he likes. As do you. Yes, of course! And we each can kill-file each other. :-) I hadn't thought of it in those terms. I was thinking of list rules. But you are, of course, correct. He is free to object. I am free to ignore him. Just as I am free to reply and he is free to ignore me. Thank you, Zenaan. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201303041354.51097.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Who may post on the list.
Lisi Reisz wrote: snip For those persons getting tired of these non-technical posts, check out debian user spanish. High quality posts and replies and Camaleón is still there. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kh2aki$4nd$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Who may post on the list.
On Monday 04 March 2013 14:01:57 nir izraeli wrote: if you don't mind me asking - how old are you too? I don't mind you asking, but what is the relevance? Since I have just criticised someone else for telling us all his age, on the grounds that it wasn't relevant, don't you think it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to do the same?? ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201303041422.05621.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Who may post on the list.
On 03/04/2013 05:47 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: I ought not to quote from Mark without his permission, so I have firmly pre-rapped my knuckles. If there were a moderator I would be contacting her/him. As there is not, I want the list's opinion, and it cannot give an opinion without the data. As I see it Mark has no right to dictate what list members may or may not do on-list, nor to lay down ground rules. And in my opinion the archives matter. So if there is a simple answer it should be in the archives. My reply to him has been bottom posted in the quotation. /snip--quotation(s) deleted/ You have absoluitely no right to tell me that I may or may not post to the list. You have every right to delete my mails unread if you so wish - or, more intelligently, set up a filter to kill-file them. For the record, you have had no abuse of any kind from me. Lisi Reisz /quote Atta girl, Lisi, give him hell! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5134cbc5.4030...@optonline.net
