Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
Who can fix the issue, many question is repled by many guy for we don't know other guys have reply it for the deley. Thanks, Limin * Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-26 00:13:53 -0700]: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > >Digby Tarvin wrote: > > > > > >>Just curious, > >> > >>Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours > >>between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? > >> > >>It makes it really hard to contribute to a thread if the discussion > >>is long over by the time my response to the original message appears... > >> > >>Or is everyone seeing the same time delay? > >>by my calculations this delay corresponds to roughly what I would > >>expect if the list server was on Uranus.. > >> > >>For example here is a message posted at 18:00 yesterday evening, and > >>I received it back through the list at about 6:00am the following > >>morning. > >> > >>Looking at the headers, I seem to have received the original message > >>at 10:00GMT when it was sent at 21:00GMT the previous night. The first > >>reply was dated 01:00GMT, and I received it at 16:00GMT. That looks > >>like the first respondent was seeing a four hour delay. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >murphy (the machine that handes lists.debian.org) has been listed by > >SpamCop. > > > > > Not as of 12:11 AM (PDT). I just checked Murphy's ip at SpamCop and the > result was: > >70.103.162.31 not listed in bl.spamcop.net > > > -- > Marc Shapiro > > No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. > What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here. > Boom. Sooner or later ... boom! > > - Susan Ivanova: B5 - Grail > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 16:56 -0400, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > Even my posts are delayed. I do not know the reason. I am sending this > message > on 4:56pm May 25, 2006 EDT. Let's see when it arrives on the list :-) Nice delay there: Received: from murphy.debian.org ([70.103.162.31]) by knight.gregfolkert.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FjXJl-0007RU-Kc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 26 May 2006 04:05:09 -0400 11 hours, 8 minutes, 18 seconds. Nice. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, Better, Faster: Linux Use Debian GNU/Linux, its a bazaar thing NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice, and certainly without probable cause. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Digby Tarvin wrote: Just curious, Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? It makes it really hard to contribute to a thread if the discussion is long over by the time my response to the original message appears... Or is everyone seeing the same time delay? by my calculations this delay corresponds to roughly what I would expect if the list server was on Uranus.. For example here is a message posted at 18:00 yesterday evening, and I received it back through the list at about 6:00am the following morning. Looking at the headers, I seem to have received the original message at 10:00GMT when it was sent at 21:00GMT the previous night. The first reply was dated 01:00GMT, and I received it at 16:00GMT. That looks like the first respondent was seeing a four hour delay. murphy (the machine that handes lists.debian.org) has been listed by SpamCop. Not as of 12:11 AM (PDT). I just checked Murphy's ip at SpamCop and the result was: 70.103.162.31 not listed in bl.spamcop.net -- Marc Shapiro No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here. Boom. Sooner or later ... boom! - Susan Ivanova: B5 - Grail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
David A. Parker wrote: Digby Tarvin wrote: Just curious, Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? I was receiving all messages from lists.debian.org on a substantial delay a few days ago. Most messages seem to be coming in fine today, although yours was timestamped 6:36AM and I received it at 3:50 PM (Eastern). - Dave I just got one with a timestamp of 12:06 PM. It is now 11:52 PM. Received 11 hours and 46 minutes after posting. The most recent post that I have received, today, is timestamped 3:13 PM, 8 hours and 39 minutes ago. I have noticed sporadic delays like this, of as much as 10 to 12 hours, over the last few days. Yesterday they were coming in slowly, about 11 hours behind. I checked two posts of my own in the archives at debian.org and they was there within a few minutes after I sent them, but I did not get them back. Later that night, posts started coming in without much delay, but there was a gap of about 10 hours in the middle that still had not come through, including my own posts. By this morning my posts had come back to me. I don't know what is causing the delay, but it does not seem to have resolved itself, yet. -- Marc Shapiro No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here. Boom. Sooner or later ... boom! - Susan Ivanova: B5 - Grail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:36:33AM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote: > Just curious, > > Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours > between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? I (the original poster of the former thread) had the same problem. I solved the problem, posted my solution, and had quite a few nice people wasting their time telling me what I had already figured out. Then, the next day. my solution appeared, which, if it had happened earlier, might have saved everyone some trouble. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:36:33AM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote: > Just curious, > > Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours > between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? > > It makes it really hard to contribute to a thread if the discussion > is long over by the time my response to the original message appears... > > Or is everyone seeing the same time delay? > by my calculations this delay corresponds to roughly what I would > expect if the list server was on Uranus.. > > For example here is a message posted at 18:00 yesterday evening, and > I received it back through the list at about 6:00am the following > morning. > > Looking at the headers, I seem to have received the original message > at 10:00GMT when it was sent at 21:00GMT the previous night. The first > reply was dated 01:00GMT, and I received it at 16:00GMT. That looks > like the first respondent was seeing a four hour delay. The machine that handles lists (murphy.debian.org) was recently moved to a new colo, and got a new IP as a result. There were a large number of people who whitelisted or at least didn't behave as aggressively towards us, as they would towards normal mail servers. Since we've lost a number of those whitelisting due to a new IP, we're having difficulty delivering all the mail in a timely fashion. The mail queue seem to be going mostly down, but does occasionally go back up. We're trying to talk to some of the postmasters of the hosts that are affecting us the most. To make matters worse, we were blacklisted by spamcop for around 24h a couple of days ago, which made things worse. Cheers, Pasc -- Pascal Hakim 0403 411 672 Do Not Bend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 02:39:43PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 25 May 2006 13:02, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > murphy (the machine that handes lists.debian.org) has been listed by > > SpamCop. It is under heavy load since the queue is growing longer and > > longer. > > Ah-ha! If your mail isn't getting through because it's getting dropped by > mail servers due to listings on spamcop, remind your mail administrator that > spamcop strongly advises against using their BL as a sole qualifier for > rejection. Large numbers of people greylisting murphy.d.o during the 24h it was listed in the spamcop listing is contributing quite heavily to the huge queues we're seeing. Cheers, Pasc -- Pascal Hakim 0403 411 672 Do Not Bend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 02:38:01PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Or is everyone seeing the same time delay? > > No. Mail gets sent out in the same order as the distribution file which is the same order as the one people subscribed in. This doesn't normally make a difference of more than a few seconds except in cases like this. Pasc -- Pascal Hakim 0403 411 672 Do Not Bend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
Digby Tarvin wrote: > Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours > between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? You piss off any moderators lately? They can set the list to delay messages. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On Thursday 25 May 2006 03:36, Digby Tarvin wrote: > Just curious, > > Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours > between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? As per RFC, the only reasonable expectation for email delivery time is "Less than 4 days." Beyond that, no guarantees of delivery time except under the most limited of circumstances (you and your recipient use the same mail server). > It makes it really hard to contribute to a thread if the discussion > is long over by the time my response to the original message appears... This is why it is absolutely important that everyone quotes properly every time. http://ursine.ca/Top_Posting > Or is everyone seeing the same time delay? No. > by my calculations this delay corresponds to roughly what I would > expect if the list server was on Uranus.. You live in a reality separate from that of the rest of the world. :o) Email delays are unpredictable and variable. Don't sweat it so much. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpAzJVWKYrav.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On Thursday 25 May 2006 13:02, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > murphy (the machine that handes lists.debian.org) has been listed by > SpamCop. It is under heavy load since the queue is growing longer and > longer. Ah-ha! If your mail isn't getting through because it's getting dropped by mail servers due to listings on spamcop, remind your mail administrator that spamcop strongly advises against using their BL as a sole qualifier for rejection. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgph4EwB8VMy8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Digby Tarvin wrote: > > Just curious, > > > > Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours > > between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? > > murphy (the machine that handes lists.debian.org) has been listed by > SpamCop. It is under heavy load since the queue is growing longer and > longer. Thanks - that would explain it. I was worried that it might have been me that was blacklisted for some reason... There does seem to have been a growing amount of spam on the list lately - although I assume someone on the list would need to have complained for that to have got it in the bad books... Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On Thursday 25 May 2006 06:36, Digby Tarvin wrote: > Just curious, > > Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours > between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? > > It makes it really hard to contribute to a thread if the discussion > is long over by the time my response to the original message appears... > > Or is everyone seeing the same time delay? Even my posts are delayed. I do not know the reason. I am sending this message on 4:56pm May 25, 2006 EDT. Let's see when it arrives on the list :-) raju -- http://kamaraju.googlepages.com/cornell-bazaar http://groups.google.com/group/cornell-bazaar/about -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
On 5/25/06, Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just curious, Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? (...) It seems that the lists.debian.org MX (murphy.debian.org) is with problems right now, huge queues. regards, -- stratus
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
Digby Tarvin wrote: > Just curious, > > Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours > between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? > > It makes it really hard to contribute to a thread if the discussion > is long over by the time my response to the original message appears... > > Or is everyone seeing the same time delay? > by my calculations this delay corresponds to roughly what I would > expect if the list server was on Uranus.. > > For example here is a message posted at 18:00 yesterday evening, and > I received it back through the list at about 6:00am the following > morning. > > Looking at the headers, I seem to have received the original message > at 10:00GMT when it was sent at 21:00GMT the previous night. The first > reply was dated 01:00GMT, and I received it at 16:00GMT. That looks > like the first respondent was seeing a four hour delay. > > murphy (the machine that handes lists.debian.org) has been listed by SpamCop. It is under heavy load since the queue is growing longer and longer. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why are my posts so delayed??
Digby Tarvin wrote: Just curious, Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? I was receiving all messages from lists.debian.org on a substantial delay a few days ago. Most messages seem to be coming in fine today, although yours was timestamped 6:36AM and I received it at 3:50 PM (Eastern). - Dave -- Dave Parker Utica College Department of Integrated Information Technology Services Data Processing Office (315) 792-3229 Registered Linux User #408177 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why are my posts so delayed??
Just curious, Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a delay of about 12 hours between posting a message and seeing it appear on the list? It makes it really hard to contribute to a thread if the discussion is long over by the time my response to the original message appears... Or is everyone seeing the same time delay? by my calculations this delay corresponds to roughly what I would expect if the list server was on Uranus.. For example here is a message posted at 18:00 yesterday evening, and I received it back through the list at about 6:00am the following morning. Looking at the headers, I seem to have received the original message at 10:00GMT when it was sent at 21:00GMT the previous night. The first reply was dated 01:00GMT, and I received it at 16:00GMT. That looks like the first respondent was seeing a four hour delay. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 25 06:05:21 2006 . . Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:53:19 +0100 From: Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How to restart the X server under Debian? Content-Length: 1954 Lines: 47 On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 01:14:52AM +, s. keeling wrote: . . Finally, here are the extracts from the headers on the original post, which identify the principal source of delay as occuring between receipt of the message by murphy.debian.org, and forwarding to my host some time later... Received: from murphy.debian.org (murphy.debian.org [70.103.162.31]) by skaro.afraid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3725C5D23 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 24 May 2006 11:32:09 +0100 (GMT/BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQP id 09C1C2EB82; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:15:50 -0500 (CDT) For what it is worth, I am sending this at about 10:35GMT (11:35BST). What delays are other people seeing? Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
