Re: Why no Skype packages?
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Dieder Vervoort wrote: > The problem is that a lot of windoze users are using Skype. So if you want > to call them you need Skype ( if you don't have a Skype handset of course) Or you can try and convince them to use Ekiga. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 02:23:21PM +0200, Dieder Vervoort (lin...@telenet.be) wrote: > The problem is that a lot of windoze users are using Skype. So if you > want to call them you need Skype ( if you don't have a Skype handset of > course) You could use Fring (www.fring.com), it can handle Skype calls. Whether it's any better than Skype, well, depends. -- Tapani Tarvainen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > IAX2 is RFC5456. Thanks for the confirmation. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
The problem is that a lot of windoze users are using Skype. So if you want to call them you need Skype ( if you don't have a Skype handset of course) There are bin versions on skype.com you can run without any installation, from a USB stick or whatever. There are some live-cd/usb distributions with Skype ( Mepis 7.0 , Sabayon, USB: Slax+Skype module ) JoeHill wrote: Steve Reilly wrote: JoeHill wrote: Was just looking at all the 'how to install Skype' pages, and wondering why, as far as I can tell, there are no Debian packages. Is this a licensing issue? skype cant be re distributed. its not open source. Ah, okay. Yuck. ...and also why the heck I need to install all of KDE for it to work...grumble. Is there an alternative to Skype that is not such a pain? Something that would enable me to make VoIP calls to Skype users? ive never seen anything, skype uses its own closed encrypted protocol Well, now, that's just crazy. Who would want such a thing? No one else can expand on your brilliant invention... ;) theres a deb right on skype download page http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/ or you can use the apt way if you want, heres the repo info http://www.go2linux.org/how-to- install-skype-on-debian-and-ubuntu-with-apt-get-aptitude Thanks for all the info, much appreciated. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:09:45AM +0100, Chris Davies wrote: > Alex Samad wrote: > > I have heard just to many bad things about skype, eves dropping etc, > > sorry why use skype instead of voip. > > Skype /is/ VoIP. It's just not an open standards-based protocol like > SIP or (I believe) IAX. IAX2 is RFC5456. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
Alex Samad wrote: > I have heard just to many bad things about skype, eves dropping etc, > sorry why use skype instead of voip. Skype /is/ VoIP. It's just not an open standards-based protocol like SIP or (I believe) IAX. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:01:12PM +0100, Chris Davies wrote: > Alan Chandler wrote: > > Rumour has it that the skype protocol will route (other peoples) voice > > traffic through your PC even when you are not making a call. > > Not just rumour but confirmed by the "technical" information on Skype's > own website. I have heard just to many bad things about skype, eves dropping etc, sorry why use skype instead of voip. > > > > There are STANDARDS in place for voip and it might be better to use > > them. [...] > > > There used to be a service called Freeworlddialup which you could > > connect to other people in the world, but last year it went over to a > > paying service. Since I've never used it, it didn't matter. > > Take a look at a SIP based VoIP softphone such as twinkle or ekiga > (or a hardware device such as the Sipura/Linksys SPA3102). European > users can use companies such as Sipgate or SMSListo.com to route phone > calls bidirectionally between their PC and the world's phone network. UK > users considering this option could do well to search the archives of > the usenet newsgroup uk.telecom.voip for plenty of practical details. > > I believe there are also Skype/SIP gateways but I've not (yet) used one. > > Chris > > -- "We don't believe in planners and deciders making the decisions on behalf of Americans." - George W. Bush 09/06/2000 Scranton, PA signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why no Skype packages?
Alan Chandler wrote: > Rumour has it that the skype protocol will route (other peoples) voice > traffic through your PC even when you are not making a call. Not just rumour but confirmed by the "technical" information on Skype's own website. > There are STANDARDS in place for voip and it might be better to use > them. [...] > There used to be a service called Freeworlddialup which you could > connect to other people in the world, but last year it went over to a > paying service. Since I've never used it, it didn't matter. Take a look at a SIP based VoIP softphone such as twinkle or ekiga (or a hardware device such as the Sipura/Linksys SPA3102). European users can use companies such as Sipgate or SMSListo.com to route phone calls bidirectionally between their PC and the world's phone network. UK users considering this option could do well to search the archives of the usenet newsgroup uk.telecom.voip for plenty of practical details. I believe there are also Skype/SIP gateways but I've not (yet) used one. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
On Tuesday 31 Mar 2009, Alan Chandler wrote: > There used to be a service called Freeworlddialup which you could > connect to other people in the world, but last year it went over to a > paying service. Since I've never used it, it didn't matter. > As others have commented, I just noticed that ekiga.net provides an addressing mechanism to reach other SIP users (SIP phones are peer to peer once the connection has been made). I would think (although I have not yet investigated) that you could make asterisk a sip client to link your complete branch exchange to a wide community -- Alan Chandler http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
On Monday 30 Mar 2009, Steve Reilly wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > Steve Reilly wrote: > >> JoeHill wrote: > >>> Was just looking at all the 'how to install Skype' pages, and > >>> wondering why, as far as I can tell, there are no Debian > >>> packages. Is this a licensing issue? > >> > >> skype cant be re distributed. its not open source. > > > > Ah, okay. Yuck. > > > >>> ...and also why the heck I need to install all of KDE for it to > >>> work...grumble. > >>> > >>> Is there an alternative to Skype that is not such a pain? > >>> Something that would enable me to make VoIP calls to Skype users? > >> > >> ive never seen anything, skype uses its own closed encrypted > >> protocol > > > > Well, now, that's just crazy. Who would want such a thing? No one > > else can expand on your brilliant invention... ;) > > agreed. it would be nice for an sdk (ive heard of it so dont rule it > our yet!!) so at least the community can write drivers for one of the > many skype voip adapters for linux. ive had to resort to hooking > mine to my sons xp box to run the phones in our house. a decision ive > hated since day one. take a look about 1/2 way down this page ekiga > has their sites on it at the moment Rumour has it that the skype protocol will route (other peoples) voice traffic through your PC even when you are not making a call. There are STANDARDS in place for voip and it might be better to use them. I run "Asterisk" (yes there is a deb package) on my home server for this as an exchange, and allows me with my laptop (with an IAX2 softphone) whilst I am away on busuness and by daughter (who has a linksys PAP2T which talks SIP and allows a standard Analogue Phone to be connected to it) and lives away from our home, to phone in and talk to my wife. There used to be a service called Freeworlddialup which you could connect to other people in the world, but last year it went over to a paying service. Since I've never used it, it didn't matter. -- Alan Chandler http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
On Sunday 29 March 2009 23:47:33 David Fox wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:24 PM, JoeHill wrote: > > Was just looking at all the 'how to install Skype' pages, and wondering > > why, as far as I can tell, there are no Debian packages. Is this a > > licensing issue? There is a Debian package, and I can vouch that it works in Lenny. It is not, however, in the official repositories and is supplied by Skype. If, in spite of this, you want to use it, just add the following to your sources.list: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free Then: aptitude update aptitude install skype HTH Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
JoeHill wrote: > Steve Reilly wrote: > >> JoeHill wrote: >>> Was just looking at all the 'how to install Skype' pages, and wondering >>> why, as far as I can tell, there are no Debian packages. Is this a >>> licensing issue? >> skype cant be re distributed. its not open source. > > Ah, okay. Yuck. > >>> ...and also why the heck I need to install all of KDE for it to >>> work...grumble. >>> >>> Is there an alternative to Skype that is not such a pain? Something that >>> would enable me to make VoIP calls to Skype users? >> ive never seen anything, skype uses its own closed encrypted protocol > > Well, now, that's just crazy. Who would want such a thing? No one else can > expand on your brilliant invention... ;) agreed. it would be nice for an sdk (ive heard of it so dont rule it our yet!!) so at least the community can write drivers for one of the many skype voip adapters for linux. ive had to resort to hooking mine to my sons xp box to run the phones in our house. a decision ive hated since day one. take a look about 1/2 way down this page ekiga has their sites on it at the moment http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F#Skype.2C_MSN.2C_Google_talk steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
Steve Reilly wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > Was just looking at all the 'how to install Skype' pages, and wondering > > why, as far as I can tell, there are no Debian packages. Is this a > > licensing issue? > > skype cant be re distributed. its not open source. Ah, okay. Yuck. > > > > ...and also why the heck I need to install all of KDE for it to > > work...grumble. > > > > Is there an alternative to Skype that is not such a pain? Something that > > would enable me to make VoIP calls to Skype users? > > ive never seen anything, skype uses its own closed encrypted protocol Well, now, that's just crazy. Who would want such a thing? No one else can expand on your brilliant invention... ;) > theres a deb right on skype download page > http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/ > > or you can use the apt way if you want, heres the repo info > > http://www.go2linux.org/how-to- > install-skype-on-debian-and-ubuntu-with-apt-get-aptitude Thanks for all the info, much appreciated. -- J -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:24 PM, JoeHill wrote: > > Was just looking at all the 'how to install Skype' pages, and wondering why, > as > far as I can tell, there are no Debian packages. Is this a licensing issue? it's commercial.I have it installed in Ubuntu but don't do much (yet) with it. Maybe it is in nonfree or multimedia in debian? > Is there an alternative to Skype that is not such a pain? Something that would > enable me to make VoIP calls to Skype users? You might find ekiga to your liking. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Why no Skype packages?
JoeHill wrote: > Was just looking at all the 'how to install Skype' pages, and wondering why, > as > far as I can tell, there are no Debian packages. Is this a licensing issue? skype cant be re distributed. its not open source. > > ...and also why the heck I need to install all of KDE for it to > work...grumble. > > Is there an alternative to Skype that is not such a pain? Something that would > enable me to make VoIP calls to Skype users? ive never seen anything, skype uses its own closed encrypted protocol theres a deb right on skype download page http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/ or you can use the apt way if you want, heres the repo info http://www.go2linux.org/how-to- install-skype-on-debian-and-ubuntu-with-apt-get-aptitude steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Why no Skype packages?
Was just looking at all the 'how to install Skype' pages, and wondering why, as far as I can tell, there are no Debian packages. Is this a licensing issue? ...and also why the heck I need to install all of KDE for it to work...grumble. Is there an alternative to Skype that is not such a pain? Something that would enable me to make VoIP calls to Skype users? Many thanks! -- J -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
