Re: Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-17 Thread Hall Stevenson
* dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020416 20:10]:
 
 Indeed, having now done an upgrade myself (I use apt-get, not dselect)
 I see that the latest mozilla that is in testing is what would
 force my (old) galeon package out. I haven't tried, but I would
 hope that picking up a new galeon from unstable would correct these
 dependencies. For myself, I'm leaving the mozilla stuff on hold until
 some other time.

I seem to recall in the past having trouble with galeon keeping up with
mozilla, although I used to try mozilla-cvs and that may have been my
problem... Don't recall the details right now.


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Re: Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-17 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 12:33:07PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
 stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Subject line says it all.
  
  This is the best browser out there tofay  I have production machines on
  testing that I don't want to mess with unstable peices for, so now dselect
  is trying to remove my browser :-(
 
 I believe the reason was something along the lines of galeon was
 dependent upon a version of mozilla that had RC bugs, and both were
 removed but mozilla made it back in.  If you want to know why galeon
 hasn't made it back, you can always check update excuses:
 
 http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html
 
 If it makes you feel any better, the Woody release notes still say that
 galeon is a new browser appearing in Woody.
just following this info, it looks like bonobo is the reason behind this
:(
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Re: Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-17 Thread Brian Nelson
Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 * dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020416 20:10]:
  
  Indeed, having now done an upgrade myself (I use apt-get, not dselect)
  I see that the latest mozilla that is in testing is what would
  force my (old) galeon package out. I haven't tried, but I would
  hope that picking up a new galeon from unstable would correct these
  dependencies. For myself, I'm leaving the mozilla stuff on hold until
  some other time.
 
 I seem to recall in the past having trouble with galeon keeping up with
 mozilla, although I used to try mozilla-cvs and that may have been my
 problem... Don't recall the details right now.

It's been far better since Erich Schubert became backup maintainer.
The last 19 of 20 updates to galeon have been his.  The original
maintainer hasn't made an update since November 30, according to the
changelog.

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Re: Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-17 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:22:26PM -0700, Osamu Aoki wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 12:33:07PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
  I believe the reason was something along the lines of galeon was
  dependent upon a version of mozilla that had RC bugs, and both were
  removed but mozilla made it back in.  If you want to know why galeon
  hasn't made it back, you can always check update excuses:
  
  http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html
  
  If it makes you feel any better, the Woody release notes still say that
  galeon is a new browser appearing in Woody.
 
 just following this info, it looks like bonobo is the reason behind this
 :(

That and the need for arm builds of nautilus and galeon (they failed
earlier because eel wasn't up to date). The bonobo problem seems to be
arm-specific too, but it looks rather obscure ... might be related to
recent libdb3 changes.

Hmm.

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Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-16 Thread stan
Subject line says it all.

This is the best browser out there tofay  I have production machines on
testing that I don't want to mess with unstable peices for, so now dselect
is trying to remove my browser :-(

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Re: Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-16 Thread dman
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 08:49:00AM -0400, stan wrote:
| Subject line says it all.

Nothing is ever dropped from stable, and galeon was never in stable.
It was dropped from woody because it doesn't meet the requirements to
be in woody (if it ever was in woody, which I'm not sure of).

| This is the best browser out there tofay  I have production machines on
| testing that I don't want to mess with unstable peices for, so now dselect
| is trying to remove my browser :-(

See what conflicts with the version you have and work around it.  This
is the sort of thing that happens with bleeding-edge software that has
many dependencies.  This is why galeon isn't in woody.  If you try and
upgrade mozilla-browser or any of its components, you might end up
removing galeon because it depends on certain versions of them.

-D

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Re: Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-16 Thread Shawn McMahon
begin  stan quotation:
 
 This is the best browser out there tofay  I have production machines on
 testing that I don't want to mess with unstable peices for, so now dselect
 is trying to remove my browser :-(

Let me see if I understand this:

You don't want unstable pieces on these systems, and you're objecting to
the removal of an unstable piece of software?

If you want Galeon, set your apt default release to stable, add unstable
to your sources.list, and install it.  Voila, instant Galeon.  Unstable
as it is.


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Re: Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-16 Thread dman
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 09:19:58AM -0500, dman wrote:
| On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 08:49:00AM -0400, stan wrote:
 
| | This is the best browser out there tofay  I have production machines on
| | testing that I don't want to mess with unstable peices for, so now dselect
| | is trying to remove my browser :-(
| 
| See what conflicts with the version you have and work around it.  This
| is the sort of thing that happens with bleeding-edge software that has
| many dependencies.  This is why galeon isn't in woody.  If you try and
| upgrade mozilla-browser or any of its components, you might end up
| removing galeon because it depends on certain versions of them.

Indeed, having now done an upgrade myself (I use apt-get, not dselect)
I see that the latest mozilla that is in testing is what would force
my (old) galeon package out.  I haven't tried, but I would hope that
picking up a new galeon from unstable would correct these
dependencies.  For myself, I'm leaving the mozilla stuff on hold until
some other time.

-D

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Re: Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-16 Thread Brian Nelson
stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Subject line says it all.
 
 This is the best browser out there tofay  I have production machines on
 testing that I don't want to mess with unstable peices for, so now dselect
 is trying to remove my browser :-(

I believe the reason was something along the lines of galeon was
dependent upon a version of mozilla that had RC bugs, and both were
removed but mozilla made it back in.  If you want to know why galeon
hasn't made it back, you can always check update excuses:

http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html

If it makes you feel any better, the Woody release notes still say that
galeon is a new browser appearing in Woody.

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Re: Why was Galeon droped from STABLE?

2002-04-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 12:20:11PM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think the question is why galeon was droped for testing?

Providing that it builds on arm and that nobody files a release-critical
bug on it in the next two days, it will get back.

It was originally dropped because the version in testing was believed to
be badly broken and the version in unstable depended on a version of
mozilla that was broken in other ways.

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