Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Norbert Veber wrote: > ok, how about this: > someone try it, and tell us if it works, I would but I erased w95 from my > computer about 6 months ago, and I don't want to re-install unless someone > confirms this.. As I said: it works for some people and doesn't for others (different hardware, different setups...). If you want it, you'll have to give it a try yourself. If you don't feel adventurous, don't try it. See ya, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's Internet! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
> > Do you have a URL of the mini-HOWTO? ok, how about this: someone try it, and tell us if it works, I would but I erased w95 from my computer about 6 months ago, and I don't want to re-install unless someone confirms this.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 01:41:52PM -0300, Nelson Posse Lago wrote: > > > I think win95 will accept to run > > under DMPI, which dosemu emulates, and that's the "trick". > > Could you elaborate a bit on the term DMPI? What does it mean and what is it > telling Win95? Well, since this doesn't really belong much in debian-user (and since I don't know the details ;-), I'll be very brief. DPMI is a dos-world invention, it stands for "Dos Protected Mode Interface". You get a program like qemm386 and load it in config.sys; it puts the cpu in protected mode, becoming the "master" of the cpu; then it opens a virtual 8086 machine and runs dos inside it. From within this dos virtual machine, you have access to some basic features from the protected mode cpu using a software interface to talk to qemm386. This software interface is DPMI. Autocad for DOS, ghostscript for DOS and some games and compilers for DOS are examples of programs that make use of DPMI; it allows these programs access to the total memory of the system (not only 640K) while still running inside dos. When a "normal" dos service is needed, everything runs inside the virtual 8086 dos machine. I think win95 usually "takes control" of the cpu (as much as it can, which is not much ;-), but can also work under DPMI (so it will work if you have Qemm386 in config.sys). This is what allows it to work under dosemu. I'm sure the above explanation has lots of flaws, but you get the idea... But the best thing to do is backup everything and experiment with it! From the reports, performance is quite ok (no objective testing, but the system feels "as fast as usual"). And since you still get your win crashes now and then, you won't notice the difference ;-) See ya Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's Internet! It's all true, and you don't know nothing yet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 01:41:52PM -0300, Nelson Posse Lago wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > > Are you saying that Win95 will run under Dosemu? Really? Please? :) > > Yes, that's exaclty what I'm saying. > > > Sure. And Linux does infinite loops in 5 seconds. > > Yep, everybody knows linux is really cool :-))) You are right, I give up ;)_ > > Oh, come on, guys. Win95 runs in ring 0, this is a no-no under Linux, > > because this is kernel mode. > > Well, I thought so also, but I've seen reports of success from people that > wouldn't be spreading misinformation. I think win95 will accept to run > under DMPI, which dosemu emulates, and that's the "trick". There have been > reports of success and of problems, but quite a few people seem to have > done it, and they state it runs ok. They have also reported a few > filesystem wipe-outs before success too ;-) . Could you elaborate a bit on the term DMPI? What does it mean and what is it telling Win95? > Now, the problem is that you have to give direct access to the win95 > partition, which means if win95 goes south (I think this happens > sometimes ;-), linux is not able to "protect" that filesystem, and you > don't have permissions etc. The only advantage of doing this is not > having to reboot (which is cool enough). I wouldn't care about win95 partitions anyway ;) It sounded first like those "Nintendo 64 emulator on ZX Spectrum" news, but if it is really possible, well. People, I smell world domination! Marcus -- "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god."Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 16 Mar, Nelson Posse Lago wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Asher Haig wrote: > > > >> I'm told that it's possible to run Windows under DosEmu. What's the truth > >> in this? > > > > The DOSEMU documentation mentions how to run win3 under dosemu; there's a > > Brazilian linux user that wrote a mini-HOWTO (in portuguese...) on running > > win95 under DOSEMU, and others reported success (and failure ;-). > > Do you have a URL of the mini-HOWTO? For those interested, this is the URL for the mini-HOWTO on running win95 under Dosemu. It has a copy of the dosemu.conf file the author used. As I mentioned, the "catch" is to open a DOS prompt in win95 before trying to switch virtual consoles, probably switching from graphics mode to text mode directly doesn't work for some reason. http://www.pro-unix.org/~puma Hope this helps, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's Internet! "The future? I've seen the future: It's a 46 years old virgin singing 'I am a hotdog'" - From "Demolition Man" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On 16 Mar, Nelson Posse Lago wrote: > On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Asher Haig wrote: > >> I'm told that it's possible to run Windows under DosEmu. What's the truth >> in this? > > The DOSEMU documentation mentions how to run win3 under dosemu; there's a > Brazilian linux user that wrote a mini-HOWTO (in portuguese...) on running > win95 under DOSEMU, and others reported success (and failure ;-). > Do you have a URL of the mini-HOWTO? Thanks, Brian -- Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
Nelson Posse Lago <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The DOSEMU documentation mentions how to run win3 under dosemu; there's a > Brazilian linux user that wrote a mini-HOWTO (in portuguese...) on running > win95 under DOSEMU, and others reported success (and failure ;-). Would there be any changes of getting that translated in English? Portuguese, anyone?-) Suonpää... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 04:03:30PM -0600, Jeff Noxon wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 06:56:30PM -0300, Nelson Posse Lago wrote: > > > The basic trick for win95 is to create a 64Mb swap partition for linux and > > > configure DOSEMU to report 64Mb of expanded/extended memory to > > > applications. Then allow full direct access to the HP partition where > > > win95 lives in. To switch from win95 to another Virtual Console, *first* > > > open a "dos prompt" under windows and then try CRTL-ALT-Fx ; this probably > > > has to do with the video mode. > > > > Are you saying that Win95 will run under Dosemu? Really? Please? :) Yes, that's exaclty what I'm saying. > Sure. And Linux does infinite loops in 5 seconds. Yep, everybody knows linux is really cool :-))) > Oh, come on, guys. Win95 runs in ring 0, this is a no-no under Linux, > because this is kernel mode. Well, I thought so also, but I've seen reports of success from people that wouldn't be spreading misinformation. I think win95 will accept to run under DMPI, which dosemu emulates, and that's the "trick". There have been reports of success and of problems, but quite a few people seem to have done it, and they state it runs ok. They have also reported a few filesystem wipe-outs before success too ;-) . Now, the problem is that you have to give direct access to the win95 partition, which means if win95 goes south (I think this happens sometimes ;-), linux is not able to "protect" that filesystem, and you don't have permissions etc. The only advantage of doing this is not having to reboot (which is cool enough). See ya, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's Internet! It's all true, and you don't know nothing yet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 03:45:15AM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 04:03:30PM -0600, Jeff Noxon wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 06:56:30PM -0300, Nelson Posse Lago wrote: > > > The basic trick for win95 is to create a 64Mb swap partition for linux and > > > configure DOSEMU to report 64Mb of expanded/extended memory to > > > applications. Then allow full direct access to the HP partition where > > > win95 lives in. To switch from win95 to another Virtual Console, *first* > > > open a "dos prompt" under windows and then try CRTL-ALT-Fx ; this probably > > > has to do with the video mode. > > > > Are you saying that Win95 will run under Dosemu? Really? Please? :) > > Sure. And Linux does infinite loops in 5 seconds. :) > Oh, come on, guys. Win95 runs in ring 0, this is a no-no under Linux, > because this is kernel mode. There is hardly any chance that Win32 > application will run under Wine or Twin willows soon. Win95 can run under SCO, so it isn't impossible -- just a lot of work. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 04:03:30PM -0600, Jeff Noxon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 06:56:30PM -0300, Nelson Posse Lago wrote: > > The basic trick for win95 is to create a 64Mb swap partition for linux and > > configure DOSEMU to report 64Mb of expanded/extended memory to > > applications. Then allow full direct access to the HP partition where > > win95 lives in. To switch from win95 to another Virtual Console, *first* > > open a "dos prompt" under windows and then try CRTL-ALT-Fx ; this probably > > has to do with the video mode. > > Are you saying that Win95 will run under Dosemu? Really? Please? :) Sure. And Linux does infinite loops in 5 seconds. Oh, come on, guys. Win95 runs in ring 0, this is a no-no under Linux, because this is kernel mode. There is hardly any chance that Win32 application will run under Wine or Twin willows soon. Ts-ts-ts, Marcus -- "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god."Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 04:55:24PM -0600, Asher Haig wrote: > I'm told that it's possible to run Windows under DosEmu. What's the truth > in this? You *can* run Win3.1 under Dosemu, and there is a lot of documenattion in /usr/doc/dosemu about it, BUT: You need Windows and Os/2 license. Better to use a windows emulator. Wine is there, and Twin also (no TWIN debian package at the moment, because TWIN does not compile under libc6. You can find it under http://www.willows.com). > Please no responses asking why I want to run Windows... It's a need, not > a desire. I would recommend to buy Wabi. It is low cost from caldera and does its job pretty good (much better than the free emulators). Or run it in a Network. There are several possibilities. One is the use of Vnc server onthe Windows machine and vncclient on the Linux machine or the other way round. Thank you, Marcus -- "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god."Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 06:56:30PM -0300, Nelson Posse Lago wrote: > The basic trick for win95 is to create a 64Mb swap partition for linux and > configure DOSEMU to report 64Mb of expanded/extended memory to > applications. Then allow full direct access to the HP partition where > win95 lives in. To switch from win95 to another Virtual Console, *first* > open a "dos prompt" under windows and then try CRTL-ALT-Fx ; this probably > has to do with the video mode. Are you saying that Win95 will run under Dosemu? Really? Please? :) That would be fantastic! Thanks, Jeff -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows under DosEmu
On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Asher Haig wrote: > I'm told that it's possible to run Windows under DosEmu. What's the truth > in this? The DOSEMU documentation mentions how to run win3 under dosemu; there's a Brazilian linux user that wrote a mini-HOWTO (in portuguese...) on running win95 under DOSEMU, and others reported success (and failure ;-). The basic trick for win95 is to create a 64Mb swap partition for linux and configure DOSEMU to report 64Mb of expanded/extended memory to applications. Then allow full direct access to the HP partition where win95 lives in. To switch from win95 to another Virtual Console, *first* open a "dos prompt" under windows and then try CRTL-ALT-Fx ; this probably has to do with the video mode. See ya, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's Internet! -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Windows under DosEmu
I'm told that it's possible to run Windows under DosEmu. What's the truth in this? Please no responses asking why I want to run Windows... It's a need, not a desire. Thanks - Asher Haig [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The only thing I'd rather own than Windows is English, or Chinese, or Spanish, because then I could charge you a $249 right to speak English and I could charge you an upgrade fee when I add new letters like 'N' and 'T'." -- Scott McNealy -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
