Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:39:02 -0500, Roberto Sanchez Downloading pictures from a digital camera is much easier than in Windows. To start with, there is no need to install extra software. You simply plug in your camera and if it is recognized (by a program like gPhoto), it will Just Work(TM) and you will be able to copy directly to and from the camera just as though it were any other mass storage device attached to your machine. That's exactly how it works on my XP machine, actually. -- chuk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 13:50 -0800, Chuk Goodin wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:39:02 -0500, Roberto Sanchez Downloading pictures from a digital camera is much easier than in Windows. To start with, there is no need to install extra software. You simply plug in your camera and if it is recognized (by a program like gPhoto), it will Just Work(TM) and you will be able to copy directly to and from the camera just as though it were any other mass storage device attached to your machine. That's exactly how it works on my XP machine, actually. It's especially easy in GNOME 2.8. Don't know how easy/difficult it is in KDE. In GNOME, you must install gnome-volume-manager gnome-media gthumb ((which will all pull in various other packages, like hal libgphoto2-2). The, when you plug in the camera's USB cable and turn it on, if (gphoto+hotplug)?? can negotiate with it using PTP or usb-storage, a dialog box pops up asking if you want to import images off the camera. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. $ python -c 'print len(str(2**300))' 903090 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Tuesday 04 Jan 2005 22:27, Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 13:50 -0800, Chuk Goodin wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:39:02 -0500, Roberto Sanchez Downloading pictures from a digital camera is much easier than in Windows. To start with, there is no need to install extra software. You simply plug in your camera and if it is recognized (by a program like gPhoto), it will Just Work(TM) and you will be able to copy directly to and from the camera just as though it were any other mass storage device attached to your machine. That's exactly how it works on my XP machine, actually. It's especially easy in GNOME 2.8. Don't know how easy/difficult it is in KDE. In GNOME, you must install gnome-volume-manager gnome-media gthumb ((which will all pull in various other packages, like hal libgphoto2-2). The, when you plug in the camera's USB cable and turn it on, if (gphoto+hotplug)?? can negotiate with it using PTP or usb-storage, a dialog box pops up asking if you want to import images off the camera. With KDE it is the same as any external mass storage device. You plug it in and mount it. For cameras that aren't mass-storage devices, kde has digikam. You can set up an automounter and script it to run anything you want, but I don't like to do that. The other solution is to use media:// . Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 13:50 -0800, Chuk Goodin wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:39:02 -0500, Roberto Sanchez Downloading pictures from a digital camera is much easier than in Windows. To start with, there is no need to install extra software. You simply plug in your camera and if it is recognized (by a program like gPhoto), it will Just Work(TM) and you will be able to copy directly to and from the camera just as though it were any other mass storage device attached to your machine. That's exactly how it works on my XP machine, actually. It's especially easy in GNOME 2.8. Don't know how easy/difficult it is in KDE. In GNOME, you must install gnome-volume-manager gnome-media gthumb ((which will all pull in various other packages, like hal libgphoto2-2). The, when you plug in the camera's USB cable and turn it on, if (gphoto+hotplug)?? can negotiate with it using PTP or usb-storage, a dialog box pops up asking if you want to import images off the camera. I know nothing about digital cameras. My daughter suddenly shows up with one and I google for the brand (I forget it now) and the site shows only XP info, I tell her: no support for your camera. Was I wrong? You mean I plug it in anyway and it might work? H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 16:54 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 13:50 -0800, Chuk Goodin wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:39:02 -0500, Roberto Sanchez Downloading pictures from a digital camera is much easier than in Windows. To start with, there is no need to install extra software. You simply plug in your camera and if it is recognized (by a program like gPhoto), it will Just Work(TM) and you will be able to copy directly to and from the camera just as though it were any other mass storage device attached to your machine. That's exactly how it works on my XP machine, actually. It's especially easy in GNOME 2.8. Don't know how easy/difficult it is in KDE. In GNOME, you must install gnome-volume-manager gnome-media gthumb ((which will all pull in various other packages, like hal libgphoto2-2). The, when you plug in the camera's USB cable and turn it on, if (gphoto+hotplug)?? can negotiate with it using PTP or usb-storage, a dialog box pops up asking if you want to import images off the camera. I know nothing about digital cameras. My daughter suddenly shows up with one and I google for the brand (I forget it now) and the site shows only XP info, I tell her: no support for your camera. Was I wrong? You mean I plug it in anyway and it might work? Yes, *if* the correct packages and kernel modules are installed. http://www.gphoto.org/ http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html And, even if you can't make it work with a direct USB attachment, buy a cheap multi-card flash reader and xfer the images that way. It's guaranteed to work. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. As I like to joke, I may have invented it, but Microsoft made it popular David Bradley, regarding Ctrl-Alt-Del signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: ... I know nothing about digital cameras. My daughter suddenly shows up with one and I google for the brand (I forget it now) and the site shows only XP info, I tell her: no support for your camera. Was I wrong? You mean I plug it in anyway and it might work? it's fairly likely it would work (as a storage device, i.e. you can get photos from it, some photo cameras also have a PC cam/webcam mode, that probably wouldn't work, as far as ic an tell). of course, you need the USB storage support in the kernel. erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday 04 January 2005 02:54 pm, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: I know nothing about digital cameras. My daughter suddenly shows up with one and I google for the brand (I forget it now) and the site shows only XP info, I tell her: no support for your camera. Might try adding linux to any search for linux support. Was I wrong? You mean I plug it in anyway and it might work? Generally speaking, that should be your first step, particularly if you have hotplug installed. If it looks good in the syslog, start searching for something to access it with. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/ pgp3egsImeUNZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Monday 27 December 2004 06:32, Steve Lamb wrote: Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Well, Linux is certainly less user friendly (especially if you have difficulty with english as localization is quite poor) Although I cannot comment on the localization issue let's please not repeat this particular piece of FUD. Studies of children who have never used computers before do /not/ find Linux any harder to learn than Windows (or Mac). They are just /different/ and a great many people have a problem with anything that's different. They will always find the first thing they have learned easier than any alternative. If you do not understand that we'll have to review all the cases where people (normaly older, but not always) having problems with computers and preferring non-computer alternatives to do the same task because it is easier. :P I could not agree more Steve. Computerbank Victoria gives away recycled legacy hardware to low income earners. These computers run DebianGNULinux. Many of the donees are migrants from Africa and Mid East and most are learning English as adults. Others are on pensions due to intellectual disabilities. They are all able to learn to use the system. OTOH I do know one person who failed to learn to use a Linux distro and so had someone install WinXP on it. 3 weeks later she gave up on that too. She is the mother of a guy who manages 70 IP professionals, and a daughter who worked as an in house computer consultant in a local university. The difference? Just no willingness to learn. Bob Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
Alex Malinovich wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-26 at 11:32 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Well, Linux is certainly less user friendly (especially if you have difficulty with english as localization is quite poor) Although I cannot comment on the localization issue let's please not repeat this particular piece of FUD. Studies of children who have never used computers before do /not/ find Linux any harder to learn than Windows (or Mac). They are just /different/ and a great many people have a problem with anything that's different. They will always find the first thing they have learned easier than any alternative. If you do not understand that we'll have to review all the cases where people (normaly older, but not always) having problems with computers and preferring non-computer alternatives to do the same task because it is easier. :P I second that. My dad always found Windows difficult to use for years because he learned how to use the computer in the days of DOS with the assistance of Norton Commander. Windows was really difficult for him. I recently helped him make the jump to Ubuntu and he's been quite happy so far. I'm actually considering installing Midnight Commander for him to see how he likes it. Do that, the current version has undelete again. Use it all the time: am from the same background as your Dad. H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 19:11 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Saturday 25 December 2004 6:23 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: There *are* ways to do GUI install, but not all s/w can be installed point-and-click, and some s/w needs the command line to start, and then does point-and-click for the rest of the installation. This is a nonissue. kpackage spawns a terminal when you need it... Amazingly, there *is* s/w out there that isn't RPMed or Debianized. Sun Java, OOo's pre-compiled binaries and Oracle RDBMSs spring right to mind. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Hanlon's Razor Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence Napoleon signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 22:26 -0500, Brian Pack wrote: So far I have found one, *one* multimedia function that I give more points to windows. Searching out and updating ID3 tags for my mp3 files. With Musicmatch I can right click on a song, select super tagging/lookup tags, and it will go onto the net and find the correct information for the song. I have yet to find a package for GNU/Linux that will do the job as easily. Of course, once tagged, I'm right back with XMMS/Juk/Rhythmbox/etc. I tried a couple of months ago to install Musicmatch 9 with WINE, but without success. Anyone get ver. 9 or 10 running with WINE? For get it... use Easy Tag. I have over 200GB of MP3 that somewhere toward the end of ripping my whole collection, I woke up and discovered a better and easier way to TAG and organize my collection. I used Easy Tags template and options to completely re-organize and rename and re-categorize 100% of the badly tagged and named MP3s and have since re-encoded to .OGG as well. And yet Easy Tag still works with them. A bit more difficult to use initially, but once you understand the interface and let it do its automagic after you get it. I am very Picky and very Retentive on how everything is named and organized. It is Easy to Tag and Easy to Use. It does Playlists too!!! -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER ED CURRY! http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry Your fingers staple pine nuts into everything you touch. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 20:12 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: English isn't read in random order, so please don't quote that way. http://ursine.dyndns.org/Top_Posting On Saturday 25 December 2004 7:20 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote: Actually, I rarely drive to the store for software, but order online and the FedEx guy (or gal) brings it to my door. So far (and I admit I've just gotten my feet wet with Windows installations) the process installing programs (commercial, open source or somewhere in between) has been rather smooth and uneventful. Well, that still takes six to eight weeks longer than it should have to (not to mention the money part). I asked the question because my limited experience with Linux on the ppc side often (although not so much with debain) involved frustrating file dependancies or hang-ups where a package includes some -- but not all -- necessary files, requiring the user to chase down a library or other file. That may have improved. The problem you describe is known as RPM hell. I think you can guess why by now. dpkg doesn't suffer that problem when you use apt: apt figures it all out for you. Because of QA, bug management (tremendously wonderful) and Policy, STRICT Policy to boot for the Developers. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or lack thereof. I don't think it's more difficult, but it is *different*. I would say that the main difference is that you need to take your time to read the text that is displayed on the screen (as opposed to the classical windowsesque next / next / next /OK). If you can take a basic UNIX course, it will help a lot. With debian, installing programs is a breeze though (using command line tools): To find a program: apt-cache search stuff To install it: apt-get install whatever To upgrade your system: apt-get update apt-get upgrade Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks. Well, Linux is certainly less user friendly (especially if you have difficulty with english as localization is quite poor) but if you take the time and effort to understand what's going on you will be rewarded with a computer system easy to maintain and which just works. I use debian (well, knoppix) for my home gateway and it's just awesome. Cheers, Jean-Michel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Well, Linux is certainly less user friendly (especially if you have difficulty with english as localization is quite poor) Although I cannot comment on the localization issue let's please not repeat this particular piece of FUD. Studies of children who have never used computers before do /not/ find Linux any harder to learn than Windows (or Mac). They are just /different/ and a great many people have a problem with anything that's different. They will always find the first thing they have learned easier than any alternative. If you do not understand that we'll have to review all the cases where people (normaly older, but not always) having problems with computers and preferring non-computer alternatives to do the same task because it is easier. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Sun, 2004-12-26 at 11:32 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Well, Linux is certainly less user friendly (especially if you have difficulty with english as localization is quite poor) Although I cannot comment on the localization issue let's please not repeat this particular piece of FUD. Studies of children who have never used computers before do /not/ find Linux any harder to learn than Windows (or Mac). They are just /different/ and a great many people have a problem with anything that's different. They will always find the first thing they have learned easier than any alternative. If you do not understand that we'll have to review all the cases where people (normaly older, but not always) having problems with computers and preferring non-computer alternatives to do the same task because it is easier. :P I second that. My dad always found Windows difficult to use for years because he learned how to use the computer in the days of DOS with the assistance of Norton Commander. Windows was really difficult for him. I recently helped him make the jump to Ubuntu and he's been quite happy so far. I'm actually considering installing Midnight Commander for him to see how he likes it. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Sun, 2004-12-26 at 20:33 +, Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: --snip-- Well, Linux is certainly less user friendly (especially if you have difficulty with english as localization is quite poor) but if you take --snip-- I'm actually really surprised that you find the localization poor. In my experience, at least with GUI tools, I've found localization to be excellent. While I do prefer to do most of my work in English since I live in the US, I do occasionally log in to Gnome with my locale set to sr_YU for a taste of my native language, and almost EVERYTHING is translated perfectly. And I would think that with French being a much more prominent language (I assume you're referring to French localization) it would actually be even better. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
Op zo, 26-12-2004 te 20:33 +, schreef Jean-Michel Hiver: With debian, installing programs is a breeze though (using command line tools): To find a program: apt-cache search stuff To install it: apt-get install whatever To upgrade your system: apt-get update apt-get upgrade Or, forget all the apt-get commands except apt-get install synaptic :) Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks. Well, Linux is certainly less user friendly Wrong, but that has been addressed already. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Olav. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Well, Linux is certainly less user friendly (especially if you have difficulty with english as localization is quite poor) but if you take Not true. Linux is *quite* user friendly. It just happens to be very picky about who its friends are :-) -Roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Windows vs Linux Functionality?
Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to imply, a Linux-bashing question. I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click ease-of-use in installing applications. Another example: multimedia, such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital camera. I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks. Ed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
Apparently, _Ed Sutherland_, on 25/12/04 18:40,typed: Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to imply, a Linux-bashing question. I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click ease-of-use in installing applications. Another example: multimedia, In Debian, try synaptic for installing stuff. I seldom use it, but it is GUI bases for almost everything. I use dselect which is quite powerful. such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital camera. Never had a problem in either of these two applications. I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or You have to read up on stuff to use Linux effectively. Although when I reflect I realize that to have more/better security in Windows you have to read up on stuff there too. However, increase in knowledge and experience in logical thinking is a sweet perk of learning to use linux based systems :) lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks. Ubuntu Linux? GL, -HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
Ed Sutherland wrote: Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to imply, a Linux-bashing question. I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click ease-of-use in installing applications. Another example: multimedia, such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital camera. There are plenty of point-and-click tools. The main thing is that you need to educate yourself on the choices and then choose one. As far as multimedia, there are plenty of options. Personally I use xine and get the w32-codecs package from Marillat, but others prefer mplayer or any of the other number of available front ends. Downloading pictures from a digital camera is much easier than in Windows. To start with, there is no need to install extra software. You simply plug in your camera and if it is recognized (by a program like gPhoto), it will Just Work(TM) and you will be able to copy directly to and from the camera just as though it were any other mass storage device attached to your machine. As far as installing applications, with programs like synaptic (GUI point-and-click) and aptitude (console-based, but still very easy to use) it is simply a matter of choosing your new application, and telling it to go. The debian archive has more than 14,000 packages now. It will probably take you a while to discover what all of them are and you will likely only ever use a small fraction of them, but almost every available and commonly used free software program is already packaged for Debian. If the event that you find one that is not, or you have non-free program that you buy (like VMWare or Matlab), you can use the great program called checkinstall to manage your installation of programs that are not natively part of Debian. This allows you install programs and not worry about any difficulty in uninstalling them later. This is one program I sure wish I knew about when I was a newbie. Incidentally, if you are going to use Java (by installing a Sun or IBM JRE or JDK) then I highly recommend that you look at java-package. That is a neat little utility that will take the binary install package from Sun or IBM and Debian-ize it on the fly so that your Java installation can be managed like the rest of your Debian installed programs. I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks. Much of it has to do with choice. That is Linux's greatest advantage over most any other OS. The variety of choice. Naturallym some people dislike it. Like when someone spends 30 years in prison, a return to free society seems to overwhelm them with choices at every turn. In Windows-land many things are forced on the user with no easy avenue for change. In Linux-land everything is your choice. If you are having trouble choosing, then Google or post here on the list and I'm sure that you will receive plenty of replies from people on all sides of any particular choice. Such as, which text editor is best (vim, of course) or which window manager is the slickest (naturally it is WindowMaker), and so on. I know I have sort of flooded your request with lots of info, but I hope you find it helpful. Regards, -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Saturday 25 December 2004 06:40 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote: Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to imply, a Linux-bashing question. Nah, not taken as bashing in any way. It's an honest question if you don't know anything about it. I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click ease-of-use in installing applications. Ease of use in installing? You mean like this? Find and download $PROGRAM to install Damn, it's in compressed format Go find $DECOMPRESSOR and download Scan $DECOMPRESSOR for viruses Install $DECOMPRESSOR Crap, I'm not admin Log in as admin Install $DECOMPRESSOR Reboot Log in Scan $PROGRAM for viruses Decompress $PROGRAM Doubleclick exe/msi installer Crap, I'm not admin Log in as admin Doubleclick exe/msi installer Click Next to continue Accept 27 page EULA Click Next to continue Confirm install type, full/minimal/custom Click Next to continue Confirm/alter install path Click Next to continue Do you want a program group created? y/n Click Next to continue Do you want a desktop icon created? y/n Click Next to continue Watch progress bar... Click Next to continue Do you want to read the README.txt now? y/n Click Next to continue Do you want to create a desktop shortcut? y/n Click Next to continue Do you want to run the internet updater? y/n If Y, click Next to continue to repeat previous instructions, if N, then click Next to continue $PROGRAM has been installed to $PATHBLAHBLAH, please register, would you like to do so now? y/n Click Next to continue Installation complete, Click Exit to finish You must reboot for changes to take effect, do you want to reboot now? Reboot/Cancel Reboot Log in Click on desktop icon that was created even though 'No' was answered for that question Use $PROGRAM I'll take: Click on the menu/Synaptic Enter root pass Find $PROGRAM Install $PROGRAM Close Synaptic Click on menu/$PROGRAM Use $PROGRAM any day. Another example: multimedia, such as playing MP3 audio files or There are plenty of multemedia players availabe, some you might already be familiar with in terms of usability. downloading pictures from my digital camera. I'm not a photographer myself, so I can't comment on that. I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, See for yourself before you install. Download a Knoppix CD and boot your machine with it. Have a look around, see what's what. You can do that before you install anything to your hard drive. or lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks. I suppose that depends on your POV. I haven't used MS Windows regularly in years, and I avoid it if at all possible. Me? I just prefer having control over my own machine that I paid my own money for, rather than letting some corporate marketing bozo a world away have control over it. -- ...Rob Return address is obfuscated. You can reach me via mylaptop (at) twcny dot rr dot com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 18:40 -0500, Ed Sutherland wrote: Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to imply, a Linux-bashing question. I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click ease-of-use in installing applications. Another example: multimedia, such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital camera. I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks. The thing is that Windows and Linux are *different*. Thus, things will not always be the same between the 2 systems. There *are* ways to do GUI install, but not all s/w can be installed point-and-click, and some s/w needs the command line to start, and then does point-and-click for the rest of the installation. You *will* have to get more familiar with the CLI (within Command Windows), but That's OK. It Won't Kill You. The multimedia stuff does pretty well with some extra s/w, and I am able to just plug my camera into the USB port, turn it on and, in a moment, a dialog box asks me if I want to xfer any images over. You *will* have to get more familiar with the CLI (within Command Windows), but That's OK. It Won't Kill You. For a fresh-from-Windows newbie, try Ubuntu Linux. It's derived from Debian, and is pointed at the Desktop. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. YODA: Code! Yes. A programmer's strength flows from code maintainability. But beware of Perl. Terse syntax... more than one way to do it...default variables. The dark side of code maintainability are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you when code you write. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Saturday 25 December 2004 3:40 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote: I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click ease-of-use in installing applications. You don't have that with Windows, though you'll gain it in Debian with aptitude. In Windows, you have to drive to the store, buy the software, drive home, and *hope* setup.exe works like advertised. In Debian, you just use aptitude to select the software you want and hit Go and wait for it to download and install. Which is easier? Another example: multimedia, such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital camera. Not sure about the camera, but media of almost every format imaginable is easy to play with a variety of players Windows users only imagine in their wildest wet dreams. I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Not really. Windows is losing ground to MacOS and Linux for good reason. Grab one of the LiveCD distros and start playing around until you're ready to install to hard disk (in which, get a real distro instead of the live CD ones). -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/ pgpBdMxeJVB4T.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Saturday 25 December 2004 4:39 pm, Roberto Sanchez wrote: As far as installing applications, with programs like synaptic (GUI point-and-click) and aptitude (console-based, but still very easy to use) it is simply a matter of choosing your new application, and telling it to go. I would like to add that aptitude accepts mouse input if you're running it in a x-terminal (konsole, xterm, etc). In Windows-land many things are forced on the user with no easy avenue for change. In Linux-land everything is your choice. If you are having trouble choosing, then Google or post here on the list and I'm sure that you will receive plenty of replies from people on all sides of any particular choice. Such as, which text editor is best (vim, of course) or which window manager is the slickest (naturally it is WindowMaker), and so on. That's the biggest difference between using Windows and using Linux: You get free support from Linux just about anywhere if you know the right question (as opposed to Windows, where you pay $30 to sit on hold and get the wrong answer, no matter what the question). -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/ pgpgplQKy5KfV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Saturday 25 December 2004 6:23 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: There *are* ways to do GUI install, but not all s/w can be installed point-and-click, and some s/w needs the command line to start, and then does point-and-click for the rest of the installation. This is a nonissue. kpackage spawns a terminal when you need it... -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/ pgpbzdSaYMQo4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 19:04 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Saturday 25 December 2004 3:40 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote: Another example: multimedia, such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital camera. Not sure about the camera, but media of almost every format imaginable is easy to play with a variety of players Windows users only imagine in their wildest wet dreams. So far I have found one, *one* multimedia function that I give more points to windows. Searching out and updating ID3 tags for my mp3 files. With Musicmatch I can right click on a song, select super tagging/lookup tags, and it will go onto the net and find the correct information for the song. I have yet to find a package for GNU/Linux that will do the job as easily. Of course, once tagged, I'm right back with XMMS/Juk/Rhythmbox/etc. I tried a couple of months ago to install Musicmatch 9 with WINE, but without success. Anyone get ver. 9 or 10 running with WINE? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?
English isn't read in random order, so please don't quote that way. http://ursine.dyndns.org/Top_Posting On Saturday 25 December 2004 7:20 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote: Actually, I rarely drive to the store for software, but order online and the FedEx guy (or gal) brings it to my door. So far (and I admit I've just gotten my feet wet with Windows installations) the process installing programs (commercial, open source or somewhere in between) has been rather smooth and uneventful. Well, that still takes six to eight weeks longer than it should have to (not to mention the money part). I asked the question because my limited experience with Linux on the ppc side often (although not so much with debain) involved frustrating file dependancies or hang-ups where a package includes some -- but not all -- necessary files, requiring the user to chase down a library or other file. That may have improved. The problem you describe is known as RPM hell. I think you can guess why by now. dpkg doesn't suffer that problem when you use apt: apt figures it all out for you. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/ pgpy5TnDnzjqH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Mass-tagging MP3 files (was: Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?)
On Dec 25 2004, Brian Pack wrote: With Musicmatch I can right click on a song, select super tagging/lookup tags, and it will go onto the net and find the correct information for the song. While not as advanced as what you described, when I download some MP3 file from the Internet and it is not up to my standards, I use the easytag package (available in testing). Its user interface is *not* intuitive, but after you learn its modus operandi, you will want to use it for almost all mass-tagging that you'll have to do. BTW, if it somehow integrated musicbrainz, it would perhaps had the ability you described. Hope this helps, Rogério Brito. -- Learn to quote e-mails decently at: http://pub.tsn.dk/how-to-quote.php http://learn.to/quote http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/toppost.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
