Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 02:59:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: | D-Man wrote: | > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) | > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or | > computers in general) work. | | OTOH, we've had debian developers who joined while in middle school That's cool! | (though I think all of them are in high school or higher now). And if | you'd told me I didn't understand computers when I was in middle school, | I'd have begged to differ. (I was doing farily low-level programming | that required a basic understanding of the fundamentals of computers in | 6th grade, and programmed my first BASIC and LOGO in 3rd-4th grade..) I haven't had the fortune to meet any of you/those middle schoolers, nor have I found any locally, yet. It is still really young to understand that sort of thing, though obviously not impossible nor non-existant :-). -D
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
D-Man wrote: > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or > computers in general) work. OTOH, we've had debian developers who joined while in middle school (though I think all of them are in high school or higher now). And if you'd told me I didn't understand computers when I was in middle school, I'd have begged to differ. (I was doing farily low-level programming that required a basic understanding of the fundamentals of computers in 6th grade, and programmed my first BASIC and LOGO in 3rd-4th grade..) To get back to the original question, it's possible to build dbootstrap in a special mode that lets it be run on an already installed system. If built in this mode it can be run in an xterm and screenshots taken. Just be careful and don't format any disks or anything. :-) Grab the boot-floppies source and hunt around for details. Or use vmware or something like that.. -- see shy jo
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 10:36:17PM -0400, Harry Henry Gebel wrote: | On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:03:50PM -0400, D-Man wrote: | > I'm a little confused here : In the american public education system | > "K" stands for "Kindergarten" (ie 5-6 year olds) and "10" would be | > 10th grade, or a high-school sophomore (15-16 year olds). Middle | > school is grades 6-8 and high school is 9-12. | | This is not neccessarily true, it varies from school district to school | district. At my school district (Caeser Rodney District in Kent County, | Delaware) we didn't have a Middle School and Junior High was grades 7-8. | Surrounding school districts mostly had Middle Schools, but the grades | varied from district to district. I have seen grade 6 shifted between Elementary and Middle school, depending on the context. Also, at least here in Rochester, New York, "Middle School" and "Junior High" are synonomous, but the former is usually used. | > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) | > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or | > computers in general) work. I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade, | > and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until | > I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to | > understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)). | | I don't know about that, when I was in 3rd grade (1979) they sent the TAG | kids to use a timesharing system at Delaware State College. I don't | remember what system it was using (not UNIX, the commands were more verbose, | ex. COPY instead of cp. Also I think I remember it being all capitals but | I can't remember.) In any case we became fairly profecient on it. Back in the days, you were lucky! :-). When I was in elementary school there was an Apple ][e in the back of some classrooms. I never saw it used, though. In middle school I used a few Macs (old) occasionally and some PS/2 PCs that had no useful software available. I learned MS-DOS at home on my Dad's Packard Bell 286. In high school I used the same PS/2s (hardware-wise, they were in a different room and had a little more software) to use MS Works (DOS!) and an old desktop publisher (also DOS, no color). That was my junior year, 1997. I also learned to touch-type on an Apple ][e. The teacher also taught things like how to center the text (who really sets the right margin to 0, then counts how many characters are on a line? Ok, if you were using a typewrite, but give me a break here!). My senior year I got to use win3.11 for workgroups using Works and Publisher. I actually spent more time playing games or surfing the 'net than doing work, but I got all my work done. I actually knew a lot more about the system than the teacher did. The other (4) students in that class got to use the brand new Win95 machines with Word and PowerPoint. They weren't networked though, so I didn't mind having the lesser box (wich was only purchased the year before). I remember, sometime around 94-95 an elementary school was built and they got 4 computers in each classroom. They were sweet, but I was wondering why the little tykes who didn't understand them got them, but the "greybeards" who would like to learn didn't get any. (Not that giving a kid a computer and teaching him to use it is bad, but how much do you think those teachers actually knew? How much time could/did they spend with 4 boxen in a class of 20-30?) Until the year after I graduated my high school only taught BASIC and Pascal on Apple ][e machines. Ok, they were only about 2 decades behind! (Hmm, was Pascal ever used on the ][e? Maybe they had PS/2s for that) Now they teach MSVC++ and VB on Windows. My brother took the "intro" courses for both C++ and VB. I don't know VB, but in C++ they didn't get past control structures (maybe they did functions) but they certainly didn't cover classes, templates, exceptions, or anything. An intro course doesn't necessarily need to cover those, but if you don't cover them then call the course "C", not "C++" (and use printf instead of cout). Some of you were child prodigies, but I wasn't quite as lucky. :-) -D
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
My 5th grade final project in 1987 was to write a program in BASIC, on an Apple ][e, that would allow basic stock-trading...lot of user input, filesystem read/writes, etc...about 5 of 15 of us managed to get it working in the couple weeks that we had, without much help...so it's not THAT hard. And I distinctly remember breaking my dad's computer around the same time by trying to manually configure some add-on card in config.sys or something like that. DOn't write off the younguns. At 10:36 PM -0400 7/5/01, Harry Henry Gebel wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:03:50PM -0400, D-Man wrote: I'm a little confused here : In the american public education system "K" stands for "Kindergarten" (ie 5-6 year olds) and "10" would be 10th grade, or a high-school sophomore (15-16 year olds). Middle school is grades 6-8 and high school is 9-12. This is not neccessarily true, it varies from school district to school district. At my school district (Caeser Rodney District in Kent County, Delaware) we didn't have a Middle School and Junior High was grades 7-8. Surrounding school districts mostly had Middle Schools, but the grades varied from district to district. I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or computers in general) work. I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade, and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)). I don't know about that, when I was in 3rd grade (1979) they sent the TAG kids to use a timesharing system at Delaware State College. I don't remember what system it was using (not UNIX, the commands were more verbose, ex. COPY instead of cp. Also I think I remember it being all capitals but I can't remember.) In any case we became fairly profecient on it. -- Harry Henry Gebel West Dover Hundred, Delaware GPG encrypted email gladly accepted. Key ID: B853FFFE Fingerprint: 15A6 F58D AEED 5680 B41A 61FE 5A5F BB51 B853 FFFE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 773 667 2550 Eventually all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. Under the rocks are the words, and some of the words are theirs. I am haunted by waters.
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:03:50PM -0400, D-Man wrote: > I'm a little confused here : In the american public education system > "K" stands for "Kindergarten" (ie 5-6 year olds) and "10" would be > 10th grade, or a high-school sophomore (15-16 year olds). Middle > school is grades 6-8 and high school is 9-12. This is not neccessarily true, it varies from school district to school district. At my school district (Caeser Rodney District in Kent County, Delaware) we didn't have a Middle School and Junior High was grades 7-8. Surrounding school districts mostly had Middle Schools, but the grades varied from district to district. > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or > computers in general) work. I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade, > and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until > I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to > understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)). I don't know about that, when I was in 3rd grade (1979) they sent the TAG kids to use a timesharing system at Delaware State College. I don't remember what system it was using (not UNIX, the commands were more verbose, ex. COPY instead of cp. Also I think I remember it being all capitals but I can't remember.) In any case we became fairly profecient on it. -- Harry Henry Gebel West Dover Hundred, Delaware GPG encrypted email gladly accepted. Key ID: B853FFFE Fingerprint: 15A6 F58D AEED 5680 B41A 61FE 5A5F BB51 B853 FFFE
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 07:07:11PM -0500, John Hughes wrote: | On Thursday 05 July 2001 13:03, D-Man wrote: | > | > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) | > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or | > computers in general) work. I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade, | | I think grade 7 is when I first installed redhat. | | > and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until | > I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to | > understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)). | | Now, im in grade 11, have long forgotten the ill-ness of redhat, and am quite | comfortable with Debian and unix in general :) Cool! It is nice to see some people getting an early start using a decent system :-). -D
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
On Thursday 05 July 2001 13:03, D-Man wrote: > On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 01:45:12AM +0800, Lamer wrote: > | hi, > | > | I appreciate your suggestion, but i don't have access to local college as > | i'm only a middle-school student (eh, in american system, K10) > > I'm a little confused here : In the american public education system > "K" stands for "Kindergarten" (ie 5-6 year olds) and "10" would be > 10th grade, or a high-school sophomore (15-16 year olds). Middle > school is grades 6-8 and high school is 9-12. > > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or > computers in general) work. I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade, I think grade 7 is when I first installed redhat. > and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until > I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to > understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)). Now, im in grade 11, have long forgotten the ill-ness of redhat, and am quite comfortable with Debian and unix in general :)
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
> I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or > computers in general) work. I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade, > and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until > I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to > understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)). yeah i probably messed them up. however, in my local place, when we say middle school, we mean school for students around the age of 12-18, that is, prepare for the university. moreover, i started to play with UNIX (eh, shell access, that is) when i was around 12-13.. :) -- k h a o s * lamer eh, find me at evil at debian dot org dot hk ? - Original Message - From: "D-Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:03 AM Subject: Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation > On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 01:45:12AM +0800, Lamer wrote: > | hi, > | > | I appreciate your suggestion, but i don't have access to local college as > | i'm only a middle-school student (eh, in american system, K10) > > I'm a little confused here : In the american public education system > "K" stands for "Kindergarten" (ie 5-6 year olds) and "10" would be > 10th grade, or a high-school sophomore (15-16 year olds). Middle > school is grades 6-8 and high school is 9-12. > > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or > computers in general) work. I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade, > and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until > I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to > understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)). > > -D > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 01:45:12AM +0800, Lamer wrote: | hi, | | I appreciate your suggestion, but i don't have access to local college as | i'm only a middle-school student (eh, in american system, K10) I'm a little confused here : In the american public education system "K" stands for "Kindergarten" (ie 5-6 year olds) and "10" would be 10th grade, or a high-school sophomore (15-16 year olds). Middle school is grades 6-8 and high school is 9-12. I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent) because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or computers in general) work. I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade, and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)). -D
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
hi, I appreciate your suggestion, but i don't have access to local college as i'm only a middle-school student (eh, in american system, K10) -- k h a o s * lamer new name, new look, new ftp: linux.dyn.dhs.org (change FOUR letter) upload something before downloading, or your class C IP banned. - Original Message - From: "Jaye Inabnit ke6sls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:13 AM Subject: Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation > > Greets Calvin, > > My suggestion would be for you to explore your local campus. Here we have a > community college with a pretty nice computer lab. The lab also has an > overhead projection Monitor.. Took a little while to make x happy, but then > we had it set up and could then take snap shots all we wanted. It worked both > in console mode as well as the x environment. > > As silly as it sounds, I also had an experience where booting up newer > systems made reading the dialogue impossible - here I *did* use a digital > camera and camcorder to capture shots.. > > Good luck! > > On Tuesday 03 July 2001 09:48, Lamer wrote: > > I'm going to give a free course to the members of a local linux user group, > > and would like to ask if it's possible to get some installation screenshots > > or notes for them. > > > > tia, > > calvin > > > > > > -- > > k h a o s * lamer > > new name, new look, new ftp: > > linux.dyn.dhs.org (change FOUR letter) > > upload something before downloading, or your class C IP banned. > > -- > > Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls/TELE: USA-707-442-6579\/A GNU-Debian linux user > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls ICQ: 12741145 > If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. > Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom! > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
Greets Calvin, My suggestion would be for you to explore your local campus. Here we have a community college with a pretty nice computer lab. The lab also has an overhead projection Monitor.. Took a little while to make x happy, but then we had it set up and could then take snap shots all we wanted. It worked both in console mode as well as the x environment. As silly as it sounds, I also had an experience where booting up newer systems made reading the dialogue impossible - here I *did* use a digital camera and camcorder to capture shots.. Good luck! On Tuesday 03 July 2001 09:48, Lamer wrote: > I'm going to give a free course to the members of a local linux user group, > and would like to ask if it's possible to get some installation screenshots > or notes for them. > > tia, > calvin > > > -- > k h a o s * lamer > new name, new look, new ftp: > linux.dyn.dhs.org (change FOUR letter) > upload something before downloading, or your class C IP banned. -- Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls/TELE: USA-707-442-6579\/A GNU-Debian linux user Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls ICQ: 12741145 If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom!
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
You may also try vmware, run it in window mode and screenshot that window also there's plex86, but I haven't tried it yet and is not (the last time I saw it) as easy as vmware, but hell it's free software. At 01:36 p.m. 03/07/01 -0400, D-Man wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 12:48:18AM +0800, Lamer wrote: | I'm going to give a free course to the members of a local linux user group, | and would like to ask if it's possible to get some installation screenshots | or notes for them. My suggestion is to get some spare hardware and do an installation :-). The only way, that I know of, to get screen shots of an installation is with a digital camera -- after all you don't (necessarily) have a filesystem, clipboard, graphics programs, etc yet ;-). Alternatively you could do an installation and take pictures with your digital camera before the presentation and just show them as slides. -D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
Hmm, this reminds me of an article I read at www.debianplanet.org this week on installing an X terminal server using debian. In the article chroot was used to create the base file system for the x terminal server. Perhaps a variation on this technique could be used. The other option would be vmware...yeah it's proprietary but it would be perfect for grabbing screenshots on an install all the way through. Greg On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Andrew Dixon wrote: > Hi Calvin, > > Lamer wrote: > > > > I'm going to give a free course to the members of a local linux user group, > > and would like to ask if it's possible to get some installation screenshots > > or notes for them. > > on a working Debian system in an xterm you could run: > #dpkg-reconfigure base-config > > then use your favorite screen shooter to get some screen shots. The > first stage of the install is gooing to be a lot harder to do because > TTBOMK you can't make it run on a working system. > > HTH, > Andy > > > -- Greg Rowe Paranoia is a virtue. http://www.therowes.net
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 12:48:18AM +0800, Lamer wrote: | I'm going to give a free course to the members of a local linux user group, | and would like to ask if it's possible to get some installation screenshots | or notes for them. My suggestion is to get some spare hardware and do an installation :-). The only way, that I know of, to get screen shots of an installation is with a digital camera -- after all you don't (necessarily) have a filesystem, clipboard, graphics programs, etc yet ;-). Alternatively you could do an installation and take pictures with your digital camera before the presentation and just show them as slides. -D
Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
Hi Calvin, Lamer wrote: > > I'm going to give a free course to the members of a local linux user group, > and would like to ask if it's possible to get some installation screenshots > or notes for them. on a working Debian system in an xterm you could run: #dpkg-reconfigure base-config then use your favorite screen shooter to get some screen shots. The first stage of the install is gooing to be a lot harder to do because TTBOMK you can't make it run on a working system. HTH, Andy
Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
I'm going to give a free course to the members of a local linux user group, and would like to ask if it's possible to get some installation screenshots or notes for them. tia, calvin -- k h a o s * lamer new name, new look, new ftp: linux.dyn.dhs.org (change FOUR letter) upload something before downloading, or your class C IP banned.
