Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:49:13AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:49:29AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 01:24:04PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >  
> > > After you installed nvidia-glx, did you run m-a to build the necessary 
> > > kernel 
> > > modules like the instructions tell you?
> > 
> > Huh? AFAIK in stable you have prebuild module packages.
> 
> There are several inter-related nvidia packages and then a command to
> set-up the nvidia driver (I forget which command, I ran it once a year
> ago).  You have to use a package search tool to find them all, install
> them, then update man-db (run the cron-job manually), then apropos
> nvidia.

Last time I built a live CD for my diskless machine I had to:

1. install packages nvidia-glx and nvidia-xconfig (including
   dependencies of course)
2. run nvidia-xconfig (though I'm guessing a
   'sed -i -e s/nv/nvidia/ xorg.conf' would have been enough)

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:49:29AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 01:24:04PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>  
> > After you installed nvidia-glx, did you run m-a to build the necessary 
> > kernel 
> > modules like the instructions tell you?
> 
> Huh? AFAIK in stable you have prebuild module packages.

There are several inter-related nvidia packages and then a command to
set-up the nvidia driver (I forget which command, I ran it once a year
ago).  You have to use a package search tool to find them all, install
them, then update man-db (run the cron-job manually), then apropos
nvidia.

I found it very helpful to get X running using nv first (as a
fall-back).  If nv doesn't work on your hardware, get it running with
vesa.  Then copy /etc/X/xorg.conf to xorg.conf.nv or .vesa

Doug.


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Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 01:24:04PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
 
> After you installed nvidia-glx, did you run m-a to build the necessary kernel 
> modules like the instructions tell you?

Huh? AFAIK in stable you have prebuild module packages.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Jochen Schulz]

Ron Johnson:
> On 03/13/08 15:02, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> 
>> At least with gdm, if X doesn't come up after three attempts, it offers
>> you to view the X log file and then drops you into console login.
> 
> Well that's interesting.  Does it mean that you've got to reboot 3
> times?  (Not that that's bad, but just for clarity.)

No, the computer boots into runlevel 2, starts gdm and if X fails, it
tries to start X a second and a third time.

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Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Johannes Rohr]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 03/13/08 01:23, Jan Brosius wrote:

>> I installed debian 4.0 r3 amd64 on my laptop an Acer Aspire 9920. The
>> graphic card is Nvidia 8600M.
>> The installation went well until after the reboot. Then the X server
>> didn't start. I installed then with apt the debian package n"vidia-glx".
>> But when I then start X I get a blank screen  and I don't  even get  a
>> console input.

[...]

> Since you can't get in via a normal boot, I suggest that you use a
> LiveCD and disable [xgk]dm. 
[...]

You can also boot into single-user mode from the grub boot loader, no
need for a live cd. I believe that in the default grub configuration,
you will have an entry "recovery mode" which boots into single user
mode and does not start [x,g,k]dm. 

If not, just press "e" on the highlighted boot stanza and select the
line starting with "kernel", press "e" again to edit that line, append
"s" (for single), press return to finish editing and "b" to boot with the
changed configuration. This, as said above, should bring you into
single user mode where you can disable x, e.g. by running

"update-rc.d -f gdm remove" on a system with the GNOME Display
Manager, for kdm or xdm just change the name.


Thanks,

Johannes
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Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 12 March 2008 11:23:41 pm Jan Brosius wrote:

> I installed debian 4.0 r3 amd64 on my laptop an Acer Aspire 9920. The
> graphic card is Nvidia 8600M.
> The installation went well until after the reboot. Then the X server
> didn't start. I installed then with apt the debian package n"vidia-glx".
> But when I then start X I get a blank screen  and I don't  even get  a
> console input.

After you installed nvidia-glx, did you run m-a to build the necessary kernel 
modules like the instructions tell you?

> I there nothing I can do to install debian on my laptop.

Sounds like you already successfully installed Debian on that laptop.

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Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/13/08 15:02, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Ron Johnson:
>> On 03/13/08 01:23, Jan Brosius wrote:
>>> I there nothing I can do to install debian on my laptop.
>> Sure.  People do it all the time.
> 
> People install Debian on his laptop all the time? :)

Sure.  He keeps his back door unlocked.

>> Since you can't get in via a normal boot, I suggest that you use a
>> LiveCD and disable [xgk]dm.
> 
> Single user mode is an easier option, IMHO. At least if you know a
> little bit about the shell.
> 
>> [...] (Note that this is one of the reasons why I don't like
>> display managers: just like with Eeeevil MSFT Windows, any X hiccup
>> can prevent you from logging in and fixing your problem.)
> 
> Huh? I've never seen that. And my X broke several times (Nvidia,
> too...).
> 
> At least with gdm, if X doesn't come up after three attempts, it offers
> you to view the X log file and then drops you into console login.

Well that's interesting.  Does it mean that you've got to reboot 3
times?  (Not that that's bad, but just for clarity.)

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Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Jochen Schulz]

Ron Johnson:
> On 03/13/08 01:23, Jan Brosius wrote:
>> 
>> I there nothing I can do to install debian on my laptop.
> 
> Sure.  People do it all the time.

People install Debian on his laptop all the time? :)

> Since you can't get in via a normal boot, I suggest that you use a
> LiveCD and disable [xgk]dm.

Single user mode is an easier option, IMHO. At least if you know a
little bit about the shell.

> [...] (Note that this is one of the reasons why I don't like
> display managers: just like with Eeeevil MSFT Windows, any X hiccup
> can prevent you from logging in and fixing your problem.)

Huh? I've never seen that. And my X broke several times (Nvidia,
too...).

At least with gdm, if X doesn't come up after three attempts, it offers
you to view the X log file and then drops you into console login.

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Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Jochen Schulz]

Jan Brosius:
> 
> I installed debian 4.0 r3 amd64 on my laptop an Acer Aspire 9920. The  
> graphic card is Nvidia 8600M.
> The installation went well until after the reboot. Then the X server  
> didn't start. I installed then with apt the debian package n"vidia-glx".  
> But when I then start X I get a blank screen  and I don't  even get  a  
> console input.

Boot into single user mode and then examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log (you
might want to save it to a USB thumb drive or something like that so
that you can post relevant contents here).

To do that, either select the appropriate entry from the grub menu (you
should see it before the kernel gets loaded, the entry might be labeled
as "rescue" or something to that effect) or, if you don't see such an
entry, press 'e' when the menu appears and edit the line starting with
"kernel". Just append "1" to the line and press "b" to boot the kernel.

You should then be able to log in on the console.

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Re: X doesn't start after installing debian

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/13/08 01:23, Jan Brosius wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> I installed debian 4.0 r3 amd64 on my laptop an Acer Aspire 9920. The
> graphic card is Nvidia 8600M.
> The installation went well until after the reboot. Then the X server
> didn't start. I installed then with apt the debian package n"vidia-glx".
> But when I then start X I get a blank screen  and I don't  even get  a
> console input.
> 
> I there nothing I can do to install debian on my laptop.

Sure.  People do it all the time.

Since you can't get in via a normal boot, I suggest that you use a
LiveCD and disable [xgk]dm.  That way, the boot process will drop
you into the console and you can log in from there and diagnose your
problem.  (Note that this is one of the reasons why I don't like
display managers: just like with Eeeevil MSFT Windows, any X hiccup
can prevent you from logging in and fixing your problem.)

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X doesn't start after installing debian

[Jan Brosius]

Hello,


I installed debian 4.0 r3 amd64 on my laptop an Acer Aspire 9920. The 
graphic card is Nvidia 8600M.
The installation went well until after the reboot. Then the X server 
didn't start. I installed then with apt the debian package n"vidia-glx". 
But when I then start X I get a blank screen  and I don't  even get  a 
console input.


I there nothing I can do to install debian on my laptop.

Thanks for any help
Jan


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