Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/10/13, Kailash  wrote:
> On Thursday 05 September 2013 07:48 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> On 9/5/13, Nate Bargmann  wrote:
>>> * On 2013 05 Sep 05:48 -0500, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:
>
> (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
> Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
>
> Evince error:
>
> (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
> Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
>>
>>> It sounds like you're lacking a GTK3 theme engine.  For example, I have
>>> the clearlooks-phenix-theme package installed so that GTK3 and GTK2 apps
>>> look nearly identical.
>>
>> Thanks. Adwaita's not too bad either. A theme is another thing I'd
>> like to create one day - cross-desktop, cross-display engine,
>> highly-customizable theme.

Yes, thanks Kailash. I had to install gnome themes and choose one. The
XFCE themes appear to not work, and gedit appears to not have a
dependency tree to make even a minimal default theme work. There was
one theme allegedly (apt-cache show details) allowed gnome themes to
work with xfce, but I could not determine how that worked (it seemed
to not work, perhaps I didn't try hard enough).

Anyway, I have adequate theming now, and gedit displays reasonably now
(would prefer a nice compact theme, just not so compact as "no space
at all between menus" :)

>> Now my text box in firefox is no longer expandable - hopefully will
>> fix itself on restart.

Even this resolved itself.

> So was the gedit issue resolved?

Yes, thanks again
Zenaan


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Kailash]

On Thursday 05 September 2013 07:48 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 9/5/13, Nate Bargmann  wrote:
>> * On 2013 05 Sep 05:48 -0500, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:

 (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 Evince error:

 (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
> 
>> It sounds like you're lacking a GTK3 theme engine.  For example, I have
>> the clearlooks-phenix-theme package installed so that GTK3 and GTK2 apps
>> look nearly identical.
> 
> Thanks. Adwaita's not too bad either. A theme is another thing I'd
> like to create one day - cross-desktop, cross-display engine,
> highly-customizable theme.
> 
> Now my text box in firefox is no longer expandable - hopefully will
> fix itself on restart.
> 
> That's all folks, and thanks again,
> Zenaan
> 
> 
Hi,

So was the gedit issue resolved?

Kailash


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/5/13, Nate Bargmann  wrote:
> * On 2013 05 Sep 05:48 -0500, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> > Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:
>> >
>> > (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
>> > Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
>> >
>> > Evince error:
>> >
>> > (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
>> > Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

> It sounds like you're lacking a GTK3 theme engine.  For example, I have
> the clearlooks-phenix-theme package installed so that GTK3 and GTK2 apps
> look nearly identical.

Thanks. Adwaita's not too bad either. A theme is another thing I'd
like to create one day - cross-desktop, cross-display engine,
highly-customizable theme.

Now my text box in firefox is no longer expandable - hopefully will
fix itself on restart.

That's all folks, and thanks again,
Zenaan


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2013 05 Sep 05:48 -0500, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:
> >
> > (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
> > Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
> >
> > Evince error:
> >
> > (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
> > Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
> 
> PS, the "menus with no spacing between them" occurs the same in both
> gedit and evince.

It sounds like you're lacking a GTK3 theme engine.  For example, I have
the clearlooks-phenix-theme package installed so that GTK3 and GTK2 apps
look nearly identical.

Both Gedit and Evince use GTK3 which has its own method of defining
themes, as I understand it.  Also, I don't see the Theme parsing error
you're getting when starting either Geany or Evince from a terminal (I'm
running a nearly up-to-date Sid).  

Try experimenting with different GTK3 theme packages.

- Nate

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

> Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:
>
> (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
> Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
>
> Evince error:
>
> (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
> Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

PS, the "menus with no spacing between them" occurs the same in both
gedit and evince.


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/5/13, Kailash  wrote:
> On Sunday 01 September 2013 08:24 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer  wrote:
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
>>>
>>> Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
>>> been happy since.
>>
>> I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed

BTW, that should have been "I don't mind gedit"..

>> gedit.
>>
>> But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
>> bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
>> jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
>> know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
>> with XFCE4 ?
>>
> Hi Zenaan,
>
> Have you tried running gedit from terminal? Perhaps some interesting
> errors or warnings may crop up.

Good point. In fact, that's the only way I run it :)

Which reminds me, evince always comes up with an error .. checking now ..

Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:

(gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

Evince error:

(evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

And that to me looks perhaps like the perfect culprit, let's say that
the original gtk.css is assuming cm or mm, and this new theme parser
is assuming 'px', so 5mm would definitely be greater than 5px. And if
that is mean to be the minimum width of a menu, of course we end up
with no gaps between menus. This however is just my theoretical
metahypotheticalizationisms.

Anyone know how to fix, or what to install .. ?


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Kailash]

On Sunday 01 September 2013 08:24 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer  wrote:
>>> I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
>>
>> Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
>> been happy since.
> 
> I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the command 
> line.
> 
> I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed gedit.
> 
> But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
> bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
> jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
> know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
> with XFCE4 ?
> 
> 
Hi Zenaan,

Have you tried running gedit from terminal? Perhaps some interesting
errors or warnings may crop up.

Sincerely,
Kailash


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Frank Lanitz]

Am 01.09.2013 08:22, schrieb Joel Rees:
> 've been looking at geany, and it looks interesting functionally, but
> I'm not at all sold on it. Don't like lots of tool panes all over.
> It's part of the reason I can't quite bring myself to use either
> netbeans or eclipse regularly.

Most of them can be turned off.

Cheers,
Frank



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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 11:43 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> Hmm. I think I have seen that kind of thing once, some years ago, but
> not recently. I think it was with a less stable version of LXDE
> (running a Fedora security tools live USB).

I've seen it before too, but don't remember the reason for this, but I
guess it wasn't a broken version of Xfce, just something was missing. I
guess it was s theme or GTK lib.


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 02:02 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> http://upmart.org/gedit-menus-example.jpg

That's really odd :(. When using gedit on Xfce (different distros,
including Ubuntu/Debian) it's ok on my machine. I agree there seems to
be some lib(s) missing. Xfce was and for some installs still is the only
DE here too, but I installed a lot of gtk stuff as dependency for other
software. After installing Cinnamon and Mate to one of my installed
Linux distros, the theme used by Xfce changed a little bit.


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Joel Rees]

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> On 9/2/13, Joel Rees  wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>>> On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
 On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
 better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
 Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
 less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
 least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
 the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.
>>>
>>> I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
>>> guessing there's some libs to isntall...
>>
>> Manually, as in ...?
>
> :) Thanks, even apt and aptitude have differences which can be relevant.
>
>> Or as in using "apt-get install" or synaptic, or what, exactly?
>
> apt-get install gedit
>
>> apt-get and synaptic should pull in the dependencies unless you tell
>> it not to. If you told it not to install some of the dependencies, you
>> might try doing a re-install.
>
> just ran apt-get purge gedit , apt-get install gedit
> same problem

Well, it might be worth playing playing with the appearance settings
-- edit menu, settings or preferences. (I forget which in English.)
Try changing the font while you're at it.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/2/13, Joel Rees  wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>> On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

>>> better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
>>> Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
>>> less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
>>> least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
>>> the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.
>>
>> I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
>> guessing there's some libs to isntall...
>
> Manually, as in ...?

:) Thanks, even apt and aptitude have differences which can be relevant.

> Or as in using "apt-get install" or synaptic, or what, exactly?

apt-get install gedit

> apt-get and synaptic should pull in the dependencies unless you tell
> it not to. If you told it not to install some of the dependencies, you
> might try doing a re-install.

just ran apt-get purge gedit , apt-get install gedit
same problem


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Joel Rees]

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
>> On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>> But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
>>> bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
>>> jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
>>> know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
>>> with XFCE4 ?
>>
>> Could you please post a link to a screenshot? I experience Xfce doing a
>
> http://upmart.org/gedit-menus-example.jpg
> It's about 1.9KiB, just a cropped image of the menus and top part of toolbar.

Hmm. I think I have seen that kind of thing once, some years ago, but
not recently. I think it was with a less stable version of LXDE
(running a Fedora security tools live USB).

>> better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
>> Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
>> less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
>> least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
>> the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.
>
> I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
> guessing there's some libs to isntall...
>
> TIA
> Zenaan

Manually, as in ...?

Downloading from  and unpacking and
installing, or even compiling and installing the source?

Doing something similar with the .deb packages?

Or as in using "apt-get install" or synaptic, or what, exactly?

apt-get and synaptic should pull in the dependencies unless you tell
it not to. If you told it not to install some of the dependencies, you
might try doing a re-install.

The dependencies for gedit made me wince a bit the first time I pulled
it into a relatively pristine XFCE, but when you start pulling in GUI
tools, you'll find that a lot of them depend on the gnome libraries.
But you're not pulling in the entire desktop, by any means.

Synaptic is pretty convenient about that. When you select for install,
it will tell you which dependencies it's also pulling in, and then
when you tell it to go ahead, it will show the sizes. My memory is
that straight apt-get gives you the information and the chance to back
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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
>> bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
>> jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
>> know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
>> with XFCE4 ?
>
> Could you please post a link to a screenshot? I experience Xfce doing a

http://upmart.org/gedit-menus-example.jpg
It's about 1.9KiB, just a cropped image of the menus and top part of toolbar.

> better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
> Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
> less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
> least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
> the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.

I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
guessing there's some libs to isntall...

TIA
Zenaan


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Jape Person]

On 09/01/2013 02:22 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
...
> 
> I've been looking at geany, and it looks interesting functionally, but
> I'm not at all sold on it. Don't like lots of tool panes all over.
> It's part of the reason I can't quite bring myself to use either
> netbeans or eclipse regularly.
> 
...

As an aside, thought I'd mention that geany's interface is very highly
configurable. It's easy enough through the Preferences dialog to eliminate side
panes, bottom panes, etc. -- or to relocate them. You can make this editor's
interface as simple as mousepad's.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Joe]

On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:54:07 +1000
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer  wrote:
> >> I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
> >
> > Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
> > been happy since.
> 
> I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the
> command line.
> 
> I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I
> installed gedit.
> 
> But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
> bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
> jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
> know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
> with XFCE4 ?
> 
> 

I have gedit working fine on Xfce on sid, but I switched from Gnome at
the time of 3, and haven't quite dared to purge everything with 'gnome'
in the name, so there may be something else involved.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Joel Rees]

On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer  wrote:
>>> I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
>>
>> Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
>> been happy since.
>
> I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the command 
> line.
>
> I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed gedit.

I think, but I am not sure, that mousepad is in there because it is
small and doesn't have a lot of dependencies. So it fits small
footprint installs.

Can't imagine any other reason for including it.

> But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
> bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
> jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
> know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
> with XFCE4 ?

Odd. I haven't seen that with gedit, neither in English nor Japanese sessions.

Default fonts issue maybe?

I've been looking at geany, and it looks interesting functionally, but
I'm not at all sold on it. Don't like lots of tool panes all over.
It's part of the reason I can't quite bring myself to use either
netbeans or eclipse regularly.

gedit works well enough for me, even though I pretty much keep gnome
off my system.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
> bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
> jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
> know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
> with XFCE4 ?

Could you please post a link to a screenshot? I experience Xfce doing a
better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.



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XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer  wrote:
>> I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
>
> Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
> been happy since.

I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the command line.

I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed gedit.

But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
with XFCE4 ?


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