Re: _COMPLETE_ instructions for debootstrap &/or multistrap
On 10/01/15 15:55, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 10 January 2015 15:25:02 Joel Rees wrote: stupid questions It has been said that there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. The only stupid questions are rhetorical questions whose accurate answers are inconvenient to the questioner, in front of an audience not proven to have been purged of everyone who knows the accurate answer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54b17403.4020...@zen.co.uk
Re: _COMPLETE_ instructions for debootstrap &/or multistrap
On Saturday 10 January 2015 15:25:02 Joel Rees wrote: > stupid questions It has been said that there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201501101555.05447.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: _COMPLETE_ instructions for debootstrap &/or multistrap
Joel Rees wrote: 2015/01/09 6:40 "Cindy-Sue Causey" : [...] As an aside and yet really directly related, my complaints and observations a while back about the seeming uptick in people having trouble with incompatibility became more clear in the last few weeks. There's some what *FEELS LIKE* bad advice running around out there about how to bind and mount while working with chroot to complete the rest of a system install. Won't explain everyone's incompatibility issues, but it sure as heck explained mine. Free advice is worth what you pay for it. NO. It's frequently worth much more. Even, or perhaps especially, when it doesn't seem relevant. Bad advice is part of the price. But it can be valuable. Answering "Why was that advice bad?" can be very instructive. So is learning to weed the bad out, [...] If you're new to this, don't to do what I've been doing. Instead work that page top to bottom, and research what you need to in order to do it as they've outlined there. In hindsight, I can see the benefit of following every single step in order as it applies to or needs altered slightly to fit each, our own singular install instances. [...] Inside-out is sometimes the only way in. And sometimes a circular approach can be more productive than a frontal assault. Which is another of the costs of free advice. There are other costs, including such things as enduring stupid questions, flame wars, and social engineering attempts. (Not to Cindy-Sue as much as to the entire list.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54b1444e.7070...@cloud85.net
Re: _COMPLETE_ instructions for debootstrap &/or multistrap
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 1/8/15, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm attempting to do some heavily customized installs. It was suggested I investigate debootstrap. While researching that I came across multistrap. The man pages and tutorials I've found so far demonstrate gaps in my background. The material I'm looking for would likely have been prepared for formal coursework. [snip] Whoever authored THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE became my latest Hero recently: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/s390/apds03.html.en See where that gets you It's gotten me some GREAT success so far. Disclaimer: I've had to bypass the top couple page turns because they speak outside my grasp just now.. Instead of that information, I've still been using what's gotten me through the initial deboostrap'ing successfully. [snip] Thanks for the link. I'd seen a earlier relative [labeled for i386 and published when Squeeze 6.0.5 was latest and greatest]. I don't know if there are significant changes in its text or just that I've done a lot of reading since then, but I think I got a new line of attack on my underlying problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54b14169@cloud85.net
Re: _COMPLETE_ instructions for debootstrap &/or multistrap
2015/01/09 6:40 "Cindy-Sue Causey" : > > [...] > > As an aside and yet really directly related, my complaints and > observations a while back about the seeming uptick in people having > trouble with incompatibility became more clear in the last few weeks. > There's some what *FEELS LIKE* bad advice running around out there > about how to bind and mount while working with chroot to complete the > rest of a system install. Won't explain everyone's incompatibility > issues, but it sure as heck explained mine. Free advice is worth what you pay for it. Bad advice is part of the price. So is learning to weed the bad out, > [...] If you're new to this, don't to do what I've been > doing. Instead work that page top to bottom, and research what you > need to in order to do it as they've outlined there. In hindsight, I > can see the benefit of following every single step in order as it > applies to or needs altered slightly to fit each, our own singular > install instances. > [...] Inside-out is sometimes the only way in. Which is another of the costs of free advice. There are other costs, including such things as enduring stupid questions, flame wars, and social engineering attempts. (Not to Cindy-Sue as much as to the entire list.) -- Joel Rees Freedom costs in software, too. How much and what are you willing to pay for your freedom? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caar43iozgdhungbur_692oky7n0tvuyge8bfc6x2aa1wq+2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: _COMPLETE_ instructions for debootstrap &/or multistrap
On 1/8/15, Richard Owlett wrote: > I'm attempting to do some heavily customized installs. > It was suggested I investigate debootstrap. > While researching that I came across multistrap. > > The man pages and tutorials I've found so far demonstrate gaps in > my background. > The material I'm looking for would likely have been prepared for > formal coursework. This is the third rewrite of this email.. *gah* :) Ok. Definitely agree with you in your lament. I fought for MONTHS to finally go from a successful debootstrap to an installed not just Wheezy but Jessie, too.. *yayhoo!* I saw... the other email... to you.. Agree there, too. What exactly are you trying to do that what you're finding is not working *so far*? Like I said, I fully understand. My first successful debootstrap sat dead in the water for MONTHS last year.. Like six or more because I was in your Shoes with respect to understanding chroot... The cure there turned out to be pretty much as simple as... *gasp*.. chroot when all was said and done. That information just never presented at the right time and in the right place, train of thought, etc. As an aside and yet really directly related, my complaints and observations a while back about the seeming uptick in people having trouble with incompatibility became more clear in the last few weeks. There's some what *FEELS LIKE* bad advice running around out there about how to bind and mount while working with chroot to complete the rest of a system install. Won't explain everyone's incompatibility issues, but it sure as heck explained mine. So. Whoever authored THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE became my latest Hero recently: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/s390/apds03.html.en See where that gets you It's gotten me some GREAT success so far. Disclaimer: I've had to bypass the top couple page turns because they speak outside my grasp just now.. Instead of that information, I've still been using what's gotten me through the initial deboostrap'ing successfully. Will be reinstalling Jessie yet again, maybe even tonight.. don't ask.. so I'll be attempting those first couple page turns on purpose this time as a conscious next step up the ladder in understanding all this... shtuff.. If you're new to this, don't to do what I've been doing. Instead work that page top to bottom, and research what you need to in order to do it as they've outlined there. In hindsight, I can see the benefit of following every single step in order as it applies to or needs altered slightly to fit each, our own singular install instances. That's all I've got right now. Hope that helps *at least a little*.. Good luck! PS Got any questions on that... shtuff... please so do NOT try asking me... :)) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey \Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kBusAqRTvyzNfoYtiDR6AYWFpPVwU8x3t9w=1botgy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: _COMPLETE_ instructions for debootstrap &/or multistrap
On Thu 08 Jan 2015 at 14:18:14 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > I'm attempting to do some heavily customized installs. > It was suggested I investigate debootstrap. > While researching that I came across multistrap. > > The man pages and tutorials I've found so far demonstrate gaps in my > background. Fill them in then. > The material I'm looking for would likely have been prepared for > formal coursework.a It doesn't exist in the form you are looking for. If you were to narrow down your requirements (the two previous mails had no specific detail either) you might get somewhere. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/08012015202444.d9fb60c42...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
_COMPLETE_ instructions for debootstrap &/or multistrap
I'm attempting to do some heavily customized installs. It was suggested I investigate debootstrap. While researching that I came across multistrap. The man pages and tutorials I've found so far demonstrate gaps in my background. The material I'm looking for would likely have been prepared for formal coursework. HELP please. Thank you -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54aee606.50...@cloud85.net
