Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 07:18:18PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: [ ... ] I learned this in this list but reading manual page of apt-get (8) ... --default-release This option controls the default input to the policy engine, it creates a default pin at priority 990 using the specified release string. The preferences file may further override this setting. In short, this option lets you have simple control over which distribution packages will be retrieved from. Some common examples might be -t '2.1*' or -t unstable. Configuration Item: APT::Default-Release This is where it is documented. Tricky :-) Yes, I see it now, and it's less tricky than I thought. I overlooked it the first few times I read the manual, though, because at that time, I didn't yet understand about /etc/apt/apt.conf. Thank you. -- Lloyd Zusman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:08:09PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: ... [ ... ] apt-get update apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade ^^ Why -t is set here -t set priority of that testing to 990 overriding 1001 This is what went wrong. # apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade This is what you needed :-) Yes, it indeed is what I needed. It worked great. Thank you! Is it also true that setting /etc/apt/apt.conf to contain `APT::Default-Release testing;' also sets testing to 990? -- Lloyd Zusman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 06:57:53AM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:08:09PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: ... [ ... ] apt-get update apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade ^^ Why -t is set here -t set priority of that testing to 990 overriding 1001 This is what went wrong. # apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade This is what you needed :-) Yes, it indeed is what I needed. It worked great. Thank you! Is it also true that setting /etc/apt/apt.conf to contain `APT::Default-Release testing;' also sets testing to 990? Yes, that is my understanding. man apt_preferences 100 to 1000 Standard priorities. 990 is the priority set by the --target-release apt-get(8) option. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Once upon a time Simon Law wrote @ Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:29:14 -0500 On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 06:15:53PM +0200, Mohammed Sameer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have a mixed system (stable+unstable) and wanted to downgrade to stable. here's my /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 1001 and /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Default-Release stable; Make sure you have stable in your sources.list. Take out APT::Default-Release stable;. Then apt-get update apt-get -t stable dist-upgrade. You should see it downgrade. Simon I've managed lastly to do that, though the system was broken during the downgrade and i had to --force-all the removal of some packages libc but i lastly did it, Not so easy you know :-) Can't imagine myself doing that on an RPM based system ;) Really thanks for help - -- - - -- Katoob Main Developer Linux registered user # 224950 ICQ # 58475622 FIRST make it run, THEN make it run fast Brian Kernighan. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+MGZ9y2aOKaP9DfcRAmfdAJ4wGWxSf2OuujUVzuz95nvIqK8EgACgxM08 dAoN1musoM618/TsxZ5Acr0= =1j1X -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 06:57:53AM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: [ ... ] Is it also true that setting /etc/apt/apt.conf to contain `APT::Default-Release testing;' also sets testing to 990? Yes, that is my understanding. man apt_preferences 100 to 1000 Standard priorities. 990 is the priority set by the --target-release apt-get(8) option. Yes ... I read that, too. But it doesn't say anything specifically about the `APT::Default-Release testing;' in apt.conf, and I have learned the hard way not to make assumptions about the way that various settings in various places interract with one another in the 'apt' system. But using the empirical method, I have determined (I think!) that `APT::Default-Release' does indeed seem to correspond to the same numerical priority as the --target-release option. Thank you for your helpful posts. -- Lloyd Zusman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 07:18:18PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 06:57:53AM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: [ ... ] Is it also true that setting /etc/apt/apt.conf to contain `APT::Default-Release testing;' also sets testing to 990? Yes, that is my understanding. man apt_preferences 100 to 1000 Standard priorities. 990 is the priority set by the --target-release apt-get(8) option. Yes ... I read that, too. But it doesn't say anything specifically about the `APT::Default-Release testing;' in apt.conf, and I have learned the hard way not to make assumptions about the way that various settings in various places interract with one another in the 'apt' system. But using the empirical method, I have determined (I think!) that `APT::Default-Release' does indeed seem to correspond to the same numerical priority as the --target-release option. I learned this in this list but reading manual page of apt-get (8) ... --default-release This option controls the default input to the policy engine, it creates a default pin at priority 990 using the specified release string. The preferences file may further override this setting. In short, this option lets you have simple control over which distribution packages will be retrieved from. Some common examples might be -t '2.1*' or -t unstable. Configuration Item: APT::Default-Release This is where it is documented. Tricky :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 06:15:53PM +0200, Mohammed Sameer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have a mixed system (stable+unstable) and wanted to downgrade to stable. here's my /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 1001 and /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Default-Release stable; Make sure you have stable in your sources.list. Take out APT::Default-Release stable;. Then apt-get update apt-get -t stable dist-upgrade. You should see it downgrade. Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 06:15:53PM +0200, Mohammed Sameer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have a mixed system (stable+unstable) and wanted to downgrade to stable. here's my /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 1001 and /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Default-Release stable; Make sure you have stable in your sources.list. Take out APT::Default-Release stable;. Then apt-get update apt-get -t stable dist-upgrade. You should see it downgrade. Simon I had a similar problem, and so I appreciate this information. But my understanding is still a bit shaky. Could someone point me to an appropriate doc which explains why `APT::Default-Release stable;' has to be removed from /etc/apt/apt.conf' in order for the downgrade to take place? ... or else perhaps could someone post a short explanation here? Since we are talking about downgrading to `stable', I don't understand why the presence of `APT::Default-Release stable;' would prevent that. Thanks. -- Lloyd Zusman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
Dale Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:22, Lloyd Zusman wrote: Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 06:15:53PM +0200, Mohammed Sameer wrote: [ ... ] here's my /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 1001 and /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Default-Release stable; Make sure you have stable in your sources.list. Take out APT::Default-Release stable;. Then apt-get update apt-get -t stable dist-upgrade. You should see it downgrade. Simon [ ... ] I just tried exactly what Mohammed said he did and my testing/unstable machine wanted to remove 176 packages and downgrade 586 to stable. I also tried it with apt.conf set to testing with the same results. The preferences file seems to have priority over the apt.conf file. Something is strange on my system. I did the same thing, except I wanted to downgrade from a mixed testing+unstable system to a pure testing system. I followed the same steps as above, except replacing the string 'stable' with 'testing'. Nevertheless, nothing got downgraded (see below for details). I know that I previously installed perl-5.8.0 from the 'unstable' distribution, and that it is my default perl interpreter (I can tell by running perl -V). But the following did not do anything, and after these steps, I was still using perl-5.8.0 instead of perl-5.6.1 from 'testing' ... contents of /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 1001 /etc/apt/apt.conf was completely deleted Then ... apt-get update apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade My output (after proper output from the apt-get update portion): Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. So no downgrade (nor anything else) took place. Does anyone know what else might be affecting this, besides the contents of /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/apt/preferences? -- Lloyd Zusman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:08:09PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: ... testing system. I followed the same steps as above, except replacing the string 'stable' with 'testing'. Nevertheless, nothing got downgraded (see below for details). I know that I previously installed perl-5.8.0 from the 'unstable' distribution, and that it is my default perl interpreter (I can tell by running perl -V). But the following did not do anything, and after these steps, I was still using perl-5.8.0 instead of perl-5.6.1 from 'testing' ... contents of /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 1001 /etc/apt/apt.conf was completely deleted Then ... apt-get update apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade ^^ Why -t is set here -t set priority of that testing to 990 overriding 1001 This is what went wrong. # apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade This is what you needed :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
