aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
Hello,
I'm using aptitude full-upgrade to keep my debian testing
installations up-to-date.
For a reason that I do not understand, currently full-upgrade wants to
install some rather huge packages.
Please consider the output of aptitude -D full-upgrade below. I do
not see any reason to install texlive-fonts-extra, and aptitude also
does not seem to see one. But it still wants to install the package.
Why?
Asking aptitude itself doesn't help:
# aptitude why texlive-fonts-extra
i kernel-package Suggests xmlto
p xmlto Depends docbook-xml (= 4.2-8)
p docbook-xml Suggests docbook
p docbook Suggests psgml
p psgml Suggests debiandoc-sgml
p debiandoc-sgml Suggests texlive-lang-all
p texlive-lang-allDepends texlive-lang-polish (= 2012.20120516)
p texlive-lang-polish Suggests texlive-fonts-extra
Any suggestions?
Christoph
# aptitude -D full-upgrade
The following NEW packages will be installed:
fonts-comfortaa{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-artemisia{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-complutum{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-didot{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-neohellenic{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-olga{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-solomos{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-inconsolata{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-junicode{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-linuxlibertine{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra, S: python-docutils)
fonts-oflb-asana-math{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-sil-gentium{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra, R: fonts-sil-gentium-basic)
fonts-sil-gentium-basic{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
ipython-notebook-common{a} (D: ipython-notebook)
libgegl-0.2-0{a} (D: gimp) libnspr4 libnss3
otf-freefont{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra) texlive-fonts-extra
texlive-fonts-extra-doc{a} (R: texlive-fonts-extra)
texlive-xetex{a} (R: fonts-oflb-asana-math)
valgrind-dbg{a} (R: valgrind)
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libgegl-0.1-0{u} (D: gimp)
texpower{u} (R: texlive-latex-extra, R: texpower-manual)
texpower-manual{u} (R: texpower)
The following packages will be upgraded:
alsa-utils audacious audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-data
autopoint browser-plugin-gnash bsdmainutils bsdutils
debian-archive-keyring dict dictionaries-common dmidecode gdb-doc
gettext gettext-base gimp gimp-data glib-networking
glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnash gnash-common
gnome-themes-standard gsettings-desktop-schemas gvfs gvfs-backends
gvfs-common gvfs-daemons gvfs-libs ipython ipython-doc
ipython-notebook ipython-qtconsole klibc-utils kmod libaprutil1
libasound2 libasound2-dev libasound2-plugins libasprintf0c2
libaudclient2 libaudcore1 libavcodec53 libavformat53 libavutil51
libblkid1 libdirectfb-1.2-9 libdnet libevent-2.0-5 libfftw3-3
libgettextpo0 libgimp2.0 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-bin
libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev libklibc libkmod2 libkpathsea6
liblcms1 libmount1 libmysqlclient16 libnautilus-extension1a
libnewt0.52 libnspr4-0d libnss3-1d libopenmpi-dev libopenmpi1.3
libperl5.14 libpostproc52 libproxy0 libptexenc1 libpulse0
libsmbclient libswscale2 libtdb1 libuuid1 libwbclient0 libxapian22
libxi-dev libxi6 libxml-libxml-perl libxml2 libxml2-utils libyelp0
linux-headers-3.2.0-2-amd64 linux-headers-3.2.0-2-common
linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 linux-libc-dev logrotate lsb-base
lsb-release module-init-tools mount music123 myspell-pl
mysql-common openmpi-bin openmpi-checkpoint openmpi-common perl
perl-base perl-doc perl-modules python-gi python-gobject
python-pyexiv2 python-pyexiv2-doc python-pyparsing python-zmq sudo
texlive texlive-base texlive-binaries texlive-common
texlive-doc-base texlive-extra-utils texlive-font-utils
texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended-doc
texlive-generic-recommended texlive-lang-dutch texlive-lang-french
texlive-lang-german texlive-latex-base texlive-latex-base-doc
texlive-latex-extra texlive-latex-extra-doc texlive-latex-recommended
texlive-latex-recommended-doc texlive-luatex texlive-metapost
texlive-metapost-doc texlive-pictures texlive-pictures-doc
texlive-pstricks texlive-pstricks-doc texlive-publishers
texlive-publishers-doc texlive-science texlive-science-doc
traceroute update-inetd util-linux valgrind whiptail xfce4-notifyd
xfce4-volumed xinput xserver-common xserver-xephyr
xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-synaptics yelp-xsl
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
gnome-keyring (R: gvfs-backends,
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On 06/15/2012 10:24 AM, Christoph Groth wrote:
Hello,
I'm using aptitude full-upgrade to keep my debian testing
installations up-to-date.
For a reason that I do not understand, currently full-upgrade wants to
install some rather huge packages.
Please consider the output of aptitude -D full-upgrade below. I do
not see any reason to install texlive-fonts-extra, and aptitude also
does not seem to see one. But it still wants to install the package.
Why?
Asking aptitude itself doesn't help:
# aptitude why texlive-fonts-extra
i kernel-package Suggests xmlto
p xmlto Depends docbook-xml (= 4.2-8)
p docbook-xml Suggests docbook
p docbook Suggests psgml
p psgml Suggests debiandoc-sgml
p debiandoc-sgml Suggests texlive-lang-all
p texlive-lang-allDepends texlive-lang-polish (= 2012.20120516)
p texlive-lang-polish Suggests texlive-fonts-extra
Any suggestions?
Christoph
# aptitude -D full-upgrade
The following NEW packages will be installed:
fonts-comfortaa{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-artemisia{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-complutum{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-didot{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-neohellenic{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-olga{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-gfs-solomos{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-inconsolata{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-junicode{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-linuxlibertine{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra, S: python-docutils)
fonts-oflb-asana-math{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
fonts-sil-gentium{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra, R: fonts-sil-gentium-basic)
fonts-sil-gentium-basic{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra)
ipython-notebook-common{a} (D: ipython-notebook)
libgegl-0.2-0{a} (D: gimp) libnspr4 libnss3
otf-freefont{a} (D: texlive-fonts-extra) texlive-fonts-extra
texlive-fonts-extra-doc{a} (R: texlive-fonts-extra)
texlive-xetex{a} (R: fonts-oflb-asana-math)
valgrind-dbg{a} (R: valgrind)
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libgegl-0.1-0{u} (D: gimp)
texpower{u} (R: texlive-latex-extra, R: texpower-manual)
texpower-manual{u} (R: texpower)
The following packages will be upgraded:
alsa-utils audacious audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-data
autopoint browser-plugin-gnash bsdmainutils bsdutils
debian-archive-keyring dict dictionaries-common dmidecode gdb-doc
gettext gettext-base gimp gimp-data glib-networking
glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnash gnash-common
gnome-themes-standard gsettings-desktop-schemas gvfs gvfs-backends
gvfs-common gvfs-daemons gvfs-libs ipython ipython-doc
ipython-notebook ipython-qtconsole klibc-utils kmod libaprutil1
libasound2 libasound2-dev libasound2-plugins libasprintf0c2
libaudclient2 libaudcore1 libavcodec53 libavformat53 libavutil51
libblkid1 libdirectfb-1.2-9 libdnet libevent-2.0-5 libfftw3-3
libgettextpo0 libgimp2.0 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-bin
libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev libklibc libkmod2 libkpathsea6
liblcms1 libmount1 libmysqlclient16 libnautilus-extension1a
libnewt0.52 libnspr4-0d libnss3-1d libopenmpi-dev libopenmpi1.3
libperl5.14 libpostproc52 libproxy0 libptexenc1 libpulse0
libsmbclient libswscale2 libtdb1 libuuid1 libwbclient0 libxapian22
libxi-dev libxi6 libxml-libxml-perl libxml2 libxml2-utils libyelp0
linux-headers-3.2.0-2-amd64 linux-headers-3.2.0-2-common
linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 linux-libc-dev logrotate lsb-base
lsb-release module-init-tools mount music123 myspell-pl
mysql-common openmpi-bin openmpi-checkpoint openmpi-common perl
perl-base perl-doc perl-modules python-gi python-gobject
python-pyexiv2 python-pyexiv2-doc python-pyparsing python-zmq sudo
texlive texlive-base texlive-binaries texlive-common
texlive-doc-base texlive-extra-utils texlive-font-utils
texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended-doc
texlive-generic-recommended texlive-lang-dutch texlive-lang-french
texlive-lang-german texlive-latex-base texlive-latex-base-doc
texlive-latex-extra texlive-latex-extra-doc texlive-latex-recommended
texlive-latex-recommended-doc texlive-luatex texlive-metapost
texlive-metapost-doc texlive-pictures texlive-pictures-doc
texlive-pstricks texlive-pstricks-doc texlive-publishers
texlive-publishers-doc texlive-science texlive-science-doc
traceroute update-inetd util-linux valgrind whiptail xfce4-notifyd
xfce4-volumed xinput xserver-common xserver-xephyr
xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-synaptics yelp-xsl
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
gnome-keyring (R: gvfs-backends, S: libgnome-keyring0)
uuid-runtime (R: libuuid1)
154 packages upgraded, 22 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com writes: On 06/15/2012 10:24 AM, Christoph Groth wrote: For a reason that I do not understand, currently full-upgrade wants to install some rather huge packages. Install the debian-reference package and read section 2.3.5. System wide upgrade Thanks. I read section 2.3.5, but I don't see how this helps with my problem. aptitude -D is supposed to show for each package to be newly installed the reason why it is needed. In my case, aptitude wants to install texlive-fonts-extra though this package is currently not installed and also (to my knowledge) not required or recommended in any way. apt-get full-upgrade wants to do the same, BTW. Christoph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4tgmu0d@falma.de
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On 2012-06-15 18:15 +0200, Christoph Groth wrote: aptitude -D is supposed to show for each package to be newly installed the reason why it is needed. In my case, aptitude wants to install texlive-fonts-extra though this package is currently not installed and also (to my knowledge) not required or recommended in any way. Interesting. apt-get full-upgrade wants to do the same, BTW. Please show the output of dpkg -l texlive-fonts-extra. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lijobl83@turtle.gmx.de
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2012-06-15 18:15 +0200, Christoph Groth wrote: aptitude -D is supposed to show for each package to be newly installed the reason why it is needed. In my case, aptitude wants to install texlive-fonts-extra though this package is currently not installed and also (to my knowledge) not required or recommended in any way. Interesting. apt-get full-upgrade wants to do the same, BTW. Please show the output of dpkg -l texlive-fonts-extra. Cheers, Sven Some time back the policy changed to install by default the recommended ones. So I had to include in my setting: APT::Install-Recommends false; I'm not sure if that would help you. Also I would turn off suggested packages if you have them turned on (they are not by default), like: APT::Install-Suggests false; Perhaps you could try those and see what happens, :-) It might this is not related to your problem, but if you know what you're doing, it'd be worth giving it a try... -- Javier. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALUrRGeR9Wh+8rrMTK7DqO3OoQ3=pog2gqzttf6smk+44nk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Christoph Groth c...@falma.de wrote: Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com writes: On 06/15/2012 10:24 AM, Christoph Groth wrote: For a reason that I do not understand, currently full-upgrade wants to install some rather huge packages. Install the debian-reference package and read section 2.3.5. System wide upgrade Thanks. I read section 2.3.5, but I don't see how this helps with my problem. aptitude -D is supposed to show for each package to be newly installed the reason why it is needed. In my case, aptitude wants to install texlive-fonts-extra though this package is currently not installed and also (to my knowledge) not required or recommended in any way. apt-get full-upgrade wants to do the same, BTW. Run aptitude search '?reverse-depends(texlive-fonts-extra)' and you'll see that it's dpkg that's pulling it in. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sx9W2udxmETHxpmJqJL=8o0w35mxcz0vrnhepucyiy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes: On 2012-06-15 18:15 +0200, Christoph Groth wrote: aptitude -D is supposed to show for each package to be newly installed the reason why it is needed. In my case, aptitude wants to install texlive-fonts-extra though this package is currently not installed and also (to my knowledge) not required or recommended in any way. Interesting. apt-get full-upgrade wants to do the same, BTW. Please show the output of dpkg -l texlive-fonts-extra. % dpkg -l texlive-fonts-extra Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- un texlive-fonts- none (no description available) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gv8zfsc@falma.de
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com writes: Some time back the policy changed to install by default the recommended ones. So I had to include in my setting: APT::Install-Recommends false; I'm not sure if that would help you. Also I would turn off suggested packages if you have them turned on (they are not by default), like: APT::Install-Suggests false; Perhaps you could try those and see what happens, :-) It might this is not related to your problem, but if you know what you're doing, it'd be worth giving it a try... I believe this is not related to my problem. If some package depends, recommends or suggests texlive-fonts-extra, this should be shown by aptitude -D. Also, aptitude -RD full-upgrade (this is equivalent to setting APT::Install-Recommends to false) wants to install texlive-fonts-extra as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87395wzfly@falma.de
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On 06/15/2012 12:15 PM, Christoph Groth wrote: Wayne Topalinux...@gmail.com writes: On 06/15/2012 10:24 AM, Christoph Groth wrote: For a reason that I do not understand, currently full-upgrade wants to install some rather huge packages. Install the debian-reference package and read section 2.3.5. System wide upgrade Thanks. I read section 2.3.5, but I don't see how this helps with my problem. You should make precautionary moves for the full upgrade while gathering latest information from mailing list and using common senses. The cautions alone are enough to give you a hint. Did you do the 13 steps after the above? In 19+ years of using Debian, I have done only 1 full-upgrade and that was a few years ago. For me, once was enough. A safe-upgrade means just that, safe. YMMV aptitude -D is supposed to show for each package to be newly installed the reason why it is needed. In my case, aptitude wants to install texlive-fonts-extra though this package is currently not installed and also (to my knowledge) not required or recommended in any way. apt-get full-upgrade wants to do the same, BTW. Christoph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fdb68fa.8030...@gmail.com
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On 15/06/12 17:15, Christoph Groth wrote: Wayne Topalinux...@gmail.com writes: On 06/15/2012 10:24 AM, Christoph Groth wrote: For a reason that I do not understand, currently full-upgrade wants to install some rather huge packages. aptitude -D is supposed to show for each package to be newly installed the reason why it is needed. In my case, aptitude wants to install texlive-fonts-extra though this package is currently not installed and also (to my knowledge) not required or recommended in any way. apt-get full-upgrade wants to do the same, BTW. What does aptitude why texlive-fonts-extra say? -- Dom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fdb6e5c.7030...@rpdom.net
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On 2012-06-15 18:38 +0200, Tom H wrote: Run aptitude search '?reverse-depends(texlive-fonts-extra)' and you'll see that it's dpkg that's pulling it in. Sorry, you seem to be mistaken: texlive-fonts-extra depends on dpkg, not the other way around. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw9wbh2b@turtle.gmx.de
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
Dom to...@rpdom.net writes: What does aptitude why texlive-fonts-extra say? See original posting. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878vfo2xfg@falma.de
Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On 2012-06-15 16:24 +0200, Christoph Groth wrote:
Please consider the output of aptitude -D full-upgrade below. I do
not see any reason to install texlive-fonts-extra, and aptitude also
does not seem to see one. But it still wants to install the package.
Why?
Probably because texpower (which is currently installed) depends on it,
although texpower itself is being removed as unused:
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libgegl-0.1-0{u} (D: gimp)
texpower{u} (R: texlive-latex-extra, R: texpower-manual)
texpower-manual{u} (R: texpower)
This seems to be a bug in the resolver. Removing texpower before the
upgrade should work around it.
Cheers,
Sven
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Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes:
On 2012-06-15 16:24 +0200, Christoph Groth wrote:
Please consider the output of aptitude -D full-upgrade below. I do
not see any reason to install texlive-fonts-extra, and aptitude also
does not seem to see one. But it still wants to install the package.
Why?
Probably because texpower (which is currently installed) depends on it,
although texpower itself is being removed as unused:
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libgegl-0.1-0{u} (D: gimp)
texpower{u} (R: texlive-latex-extra, R: texpower-manual)
texpower-manual{u} (R: texpower)
This seems to be a bug in the resolver. Removing texpower before the
upgrade should work around it.
This is it! It indeed seems to be a bug: the currently installed
texpower does not depend on texlive-fonts-extra, but the newer versions
do. However, texpower will be removed.
Should I report this with aptitude or with apt?
Thanks,
Christoph
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Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On 2012-06-15 21:58 +0200, Christoph Groth wrote:
Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes:
On 2012-06-15 16:24 +0200, Christoph Groth wrote:
Please consider the output of aptitude -D full-upgrade below. I do
not see any reason to install texlive-fonts-extra, and aptitude also
does not seem to see one. But it still wants to install the package.
Why?
Probably because texpower (which is currently installed) depends on it,
although texpower itself is being removed as unused:
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libgegl-0.1-0{u} (D: gimp)
texpower{u} (R: texlive-latex-extra, R: texpower-manual)
texpower-manual{u} (R: texpower)
This seems to be a bug in the resolver. Removing texpower before the
upgrade should work around it.
This is it! It indeed seems to be a bug: the currently installed
texpower does not depend on texlive-fonts-extra, but the newer versions
do. However, texpower will be removed.
Should I report this with aptitude or with apt?
With aptitude, I think: apt-get dist-upgrade does not remove unused
packages by default, so the result is actually expected.
Cheers,
Sven
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Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2012-06-15 18:38 +0200, Tom H wrote: Run aptitude search '?reverse-depends(texlive-fonts-extra)' and you'll see that it's dpkg that's pulling it in. Sorry, you seem to be mistaken: texlive-fonts-extra depends on dpkg, not the other way around. Sorry. It's not the first time that I mix up ?reverse-depends and ?depends... :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sw7EOZ5aSgJ-UnfM0LETqbBcAQR9+V4WRQ=g1ut7x8...@mail.gmail.com
