Re: business card image, where?
On Mon 06 May 2013 at 21:13:07 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: On 05/06/2013 05:20 PM, Brian wrote: Which includes the USB stick the ISO is on. So you can boot d-i from the stick, provide needed firmware from the same stick and install to it. Some would see that as value for money, :) I don't understand why one would want to install grub on the memstick as if it were to become somehow self booting. The bios handles booting from the mini.iso because the mini.iso has been crafted to be booted by the bios. Wouldn't grub be superfluous? Or what? Let's try to clear this up. Imagine a machine with two hard disks which has a BIOS handling USB booting. You write the mini.iso to a USB stick and boot from it. You set up the network, choose a mirror and download the installer components. At this stage the stick can be removed from the machine as the mini.iso has done its essential job and everything needed to complete the installation is in memory. Then Detect disks and Partition disks (Manual method). You will be offered two hard disks for partitioning and installing Debian. Re-insert the USB stick (or do not remove it in the first place) and now you will be offered it as a third device to install to. If you proceed to use it then everything on it (including the MBR) will be overwritten. To boot the OS on the USB device you will need GRUB. And isn't needed firmware already part of the bios (which is pretty much all the firmare in a PC) . Or would grub/firmware a different way to boot instead of the code in the mini.iso?? I'm referring to the prompt for non-free firmware which you may get when network hardware is being detected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130507113018.GH25306@desktop
Re: business card image, where?
On 05/07/2013 05:30 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 06 May 2013 at 21:13:07 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: On 05/06/2013 05:20 PM, Brian wrote: Which includes the USB stick the ISO is on. So you can boot d-i from the stick, provide needed firmware from the same stick and install to it. Some would see that as value for money, :) I don't understand why one would want to install grub on the memstick as if it were to become somehow self booting. The bios handles booting from the mini.iso because the mini.iso has been crafted to be booted by the bios. Wouldn't grub be superfluous? Or what? Let's try to clear this up. Imagine a machine with two hard disks which has a BIOS handling USB booting. You write the mini.iso to a USB stick and boot from it. You set up the network, choose a mirror and download the installer components. At this stage the stick can be removed from the machine as the mini.iso has done its essential job and everything needed to complete the installation is in memory. Then Detect disks and Partition disks (Manual method). You will be offered two hard disks for partitioning and installing Debian. Re-insert the USB stick (or do not remove it in the first place) and now you will be offered it as a third device to install to. If you proceed to use it then everything on it (including the MBR) will be overwritten. To boot the OS on the USB device you will need GRUB. And isn't needed firmware already part of the bios (which is pretty much all the firmare in a PC) . Or would grub/firmware a different way to boot instead of the code in the mini.iso?? I'm referring to the prompt for non-free firmware which you may get when network hardware is being detected. OK, Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/518928d3.4090...@gmail.com
business card image, where?
I want to make a 'business card' install CD as mentioned in old boiler plate at www.debian.org, but I can't fathom the organization of the hot links there. What is the URL of the actual iso image that I need to download and burn onto a blank CD? TAI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51879858.1000...@gmail.com
Re: business card image, where?
On Mon 06 May 2013 at 05:47:36 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: I want to make a 'business card' install CD as mentioned in old boiler plate at www.debian.org, but I can't fathom the organization of the hot links there. What is the URL of the actual iso image that I need to download and burn onto a blank CD? It is no longer produced. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130506115735.GA25306@desktop
Re: business card image, where?
On 05/06/2013 05:57 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 06 May 2013 at 05:47:36 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: I want to make a 'business card' install CD as mentioned in old boiler plate at www.debian.org, but I can't fathom the organization of the hot links there. What is the URL of the actual iso image that I need to download and burn onto a blank CD? It is no longer produced. I hope it can be revived. It has been a useful tool for me when my attempts to dist-upgrade fail, as they usually do. My 6.0.4 business card, worked at getting me running on wheezy, and even offered to install 'jessie', or 'squeeze', which it called 'old stable'. The beauty of business card is that the facts of what is to be downloaded are not burnt into the physical CD. I hope I can find a copy of the old iso image in the rubble of my old system. Why do my dist-upgrades usually fail? User error, I suppose. Wrong choices in answering configuration questions, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5187a4a8.1030...@gmail.com
Re: business card image, where?
On Mon 06 May 2013 at 06:40:08 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: On 05/06/2013 05:57 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 06 May 2013 at 05:47:36 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: I want to make a 'business card' install CD as mentioned in old boiler plate at www.debian.org, but I can't fathom the organization of the hot links there. What is the URL of the actual iso image that I need to download and burn onto a blank CD? It is no longer produced. I hope it can be revived. It has been a useful tool for me when my attempts to dist-upgrade fail, as they usually do. It is very, very unlikely it will be. My 6.0.4 business card, worked at getting me running on wheezy, and even offered to install 'jessie', or 'squeeze', which it called 'old stable'. The beauty of business card is that the facts of what is to be downloaded are not burnt into the physical CD. I hope I can find a copy of the old iso image in the rubble of my old system. The netboot mini.iso should suit your desire for beauty. It can be seen as basically the businesscard ISO without the installer components. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130506133212.GC25306@desktop
Re: business card image, where?
On 05/06/2013 07:32 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 06 May 2013 at 06:40:08 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: On 05/06/2013 05:57 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 06 May 2013 at 05:47:36 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: I want to make a 'business card' install CD as mentioned in old boiler plate at www.debian.org, but I can't fathom the organization of the hot links there. What is the URL of the actual iso image that I need to download and burn onto a blank CD? It is no longer produced. I hope it can be revived. It has been a useful tool for me when my attempts to dist-upgrade fail, as they usually do. It is very, very unlikely it will be. My 6.0.4 business card, worked at getting me running on wheezy, and even offered to install 'jessie', or 'squeeze', which it called 'old stable'. The beauty of business card is that the facts of what is to be downloaded are not burnt into the physical CD. I hope I can find a copy of the old iso image in the rubble of my old system. The netboot mini.iso should suit your desire for beauty. It can be seen as basically the businesscard ISO without the installer components. I think mini.iso will solve my problem. I've tried it on my equipment and ran through a trial install up to the point where it asked for a commit to writing a new format on my computer's hard disk. Every step of the way the questions asked were exactly the same. The basic similarity is pretty good, and it even has a shorter name, saving disk space in the directory, and clutter on the terminal screen. ;-) I had always felt the old name didn't indicate its real value. Thanks. Thanks Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5187e038.2050...@gmail.com
Re: business card image, where?
On 05/06/2013 07:32 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 06 May 2013 at 06:40:08 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: On 05/06/2013 05:57 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 06 May 2013 at 05:47:36 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: I want to make a 'business card' install CD as mentioned in old boiler plate at www.debian.org, but I can't fathom the organization of the hot links there. What is the URL of the actual iso image that I need to download and burn onto a blank CD? It is no longer produced. I hope it can be revived. It has been a useful tool for me when my attempts to dist-upgrade fail, as they usually do. It is very, very unlikely it will be. My 6.0.4 business card, worked at getting me running on wheezy, and even offered to install 'jessie', or 'squeeze', which it called 'old stable'. The beauty of business card is that the facts of what is to be downloaded are not burnt into the physical CD. I hope I can find a copy of the old iso image in the rubble of my old system. The netboot mini.iso should suit your desire for beauty. It can be seen as basically the businesscard ISO without the installer components. Can this mini.iso be written to a USB memory stick, as well as to a blank CD? What program do I use? Surely not wodim, Perhaps 'dd'. When I plug in the stick that I want to use, it indicates that there is already a partition on it, i.e. there is both /dev/sdg and /dev/sdg1. Which should I use for the of=??? If not 'dd'. What program? TIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/518813a9.1050...@gmail.com
Re: business card image, where?
The Monday 06 May 2013 22:33:45, Paul Condon wrote : On 05/06/2013 07:32 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 06 May 2013 at 06:40:08 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: On 05/06/2013 05:57 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 06 May 2013 at 05:47:36 -0600, Paul Condon wrote: I want to make a 'business card' install CD as mentioned in old boiler plate at www.debian.org, but I can't fathom the organization of the hot links there. What is the URL of the actual iso image that I need to download and burn onto a blank CD? It is no longer produced. I hope it can be revived. It has been a useful tool for me when my attempts to dist-upgrade fail, as they usually do. It is very, very unlikely it will be. My 6.0.4 business card, worked at getting me running on wheezy, and even offered to install 'jessie', or 'squeeze', which it called 'old stable'. The beauty of business card is that the facts of what is to be downloaded are not burnt into the physical CD. I hope I can find a copy of the old iso image in the rubble of my old system. The netboot mini.iso should suit your desire for beauty. It can be seen as basically the businesscard ISO without the installer components. Can this mini.iso be written to a USB memory stick, as well as to a blank CD? What program do I use? Surely not wodim, Perhaps 'dd'. When I plug in the stick that I want to use, it indicates that there is already a partition on it, i.e. there is both /dev/sdg and /dev/sdg1. Which should I use for the of=??? If not 'dd'. What program? TIA Some reading: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201305062241.01773.tchate...@free.fr
Re: business card image, where?
On Lu, 06 mai 13, 14:33:45, Paul Condon wrote: Can this mini.iso be written to a USB memory stick, as well as to a blank CD? You already have a reference for that. Something that is not widely known about the mini.iso is that it can also be written on the to-be-installed media ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: business card image, where?
On Tue 07 May 2013 at 00:09:07 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 mai 13, 14:33:45, Paul Condon wrote: Can this mini.iso be written to a USB memory stick, as well as to a blank CD? You already have a reference for that. Something that is not widely known about the mini.iso is that it can also be written on the to-be-installed media ;) Which includes the USB stick the ISO is on. So you can boot d-i from the stick, provide needed firmware from the same stick and install to it. Some would see that as value for money, :) But beware! If dd, cat or cp is used to write the ISO to the stick GRUB will not install on it because it detects the signature of an isohybrid. The solution is dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=100 prior to partitioning. /dev/sdX is the USB stick. The wrong 'X' could ruin your day. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130506232049.GF25306@desktop
Re: business card image, where?
On 05/06/2013 05:20 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 07 May 2013 at 00:09:07 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 mai 13, 14:33:45, Paul Condon wrote: Can this mini.iso be written to a USB memory stick, as well as to a blank CD? You already have a reference for that. Something that is not widely known about the mini.iso is that it can also be written on the to-be-installed media ;) Which includes the USB stick the ISO is on. So you can boot d-i from the stick, provide needed firmware from the same stick and install to it. Some would see that as value for money, :) I don't understand why one would want to install grub on the memstick as if it were to become somehow self booting. The bios handles booting from the mini.iso because the mini.iso has been crafted to be booted by the bios. Wouldn't grub be superfluous? Or what? And isn't needed firmware already part of the bios (which is pretty much all the firmare in a PC) . Or would grub/firmware a different way to boot instead of the code in the mini.iso?? But beware! If dd, cat or cp is used to write the ISO to the stick GRUB will not install on it because it detects the signature of an isohybrid\. The solution is dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=100 prior to partitioning. /dev/sdX is the USB stick. The wrong 'X' could ruin your day. But, as I read the instructions, the is no partitioning done, just a write with dd, cat, or dd. So prior to what step is the above done? But, agree that it is a good idea to write only onto the device intended, and not clobber some other device on the computer on which one is doing the preperation of the memstick. I am confused. And I wish I had better control of the text editor in Icedove. This looks very messy. In any case, I think I have succeeded in putting mimi.iso on a USB flash drive in a way that can be booted using the bios of the computer on which I wish to install Wheezy. And I could not have done it without your advice and counsel. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51887143.1050...@gmail.com
