Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 17:44, Tim wrote: Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? Buy them in a store. ^_^ You can get 90 minute and 99 minute discs now The 90's usually work in most drives that you can get to do overburn, but the 99's are VERY twitchy because not only do they use the run-out area, but the spiral is tighter So I bought 50 of the 99s a year ago, and read an article a week later which said they can damage the CDRW drive hardware, and I left them in a cupboard. Can I use them after all? What if you use them in 700MiB mode? Maybe that won't hurt them. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | Fear the Penguin!! | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:44:50PM +, Tim wrote: Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? Buy them in a store. ^_^ You can get 90 minute and 99 minute discs now The 90's usually work in most drives that you can get to do overburn, but the 99's are VERY twitchy because not only do they use the run-out area, but the spiral is tighter So I bought 50 of the 99s a year ago, and read an article a week later which said they can damage the CDRW drive hardware, and I left them in a cupboard. Can I use them after all? I'd be very surprised if they actually damaged anything. I'd think the worst you'd get would be that they just didn't work. Articles on computers (or any other technical field) often receive input from a lot of non-technical people (which includes the journalists of most computer magazines) and therefore tend to contain a lot of half-truths or outright bullshit. It's more reliable to do what you did, and ask on a medium like this list. Anyone who's blown their drive up with 99-minute CDs will soon tell you. Where was this article? I could do a plausibility scan on it if you still have it. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
Pigeon wrote: Where was this article? I could do a plausibility scan on it if you still have it Long lost, but I appreciate and agree with your every comment. Debian-user is my main source of general PC-knowhow, not just Debian usage. Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:08:58 +, Pigeon wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:47:37AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:28:16 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:34:17AM +, Pigeon wrote: cdrecord -v -speed=32 dev=x,y,z -dao -isosize filename.raw The hitch was the instruction to cdrecord to write the disc in DAO mode. Many many recorders cannot deal with the CUE sheet they're sent in DAO mode unless they're told the total size of the image. What works for me is option -ignsize: echo burn 800MB ; cdrecord -v dev=lite8 -dao -ignsize cdrom.iso Hmm, didn't work for me. From man cdrecord: -ignsize Ignore the known size of the medium. This options should be used with extreme care, it exists only for debugging purposes don't use it for other rea sons. It is not needed to write disks with more than the nominal capacity. Very odd. The only odd thing is you're probably right. I put that option in, after all attempts to burn to burn 800 MB cdr's failed (2 consecutive coasters is above my usual cdrecord average). I'll have to try -isosize when I get my next batch of 800's. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? Buy them in a store. ^_^ You can get 90 minute and 99 minute discs now The 90's usually work in most drives that you can get to do overburn, but the 99's are VERY twitchy because not only do they use the run-out area, but the spiral is tighter So I bought 50 of the 99s a year ago, and read an article a week later which said they can damage the CDRW drive hardware, and I left them in a cupboard. Can I use them after all? Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:28:16 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:34:17AM +, Pigeon wrote: cdrecord -v -speed=32 dev=x,y,z -dao -isosize filename.raw The hitch was the instruction to cdrecord to write the disc in DAO mode. Many many recorders cannot deal with the CUE sheet they're sent in DAO mode unless they're told the total size of the image. What works for me is option -ignsize: echo burn 800MB ; cdrecord -v dev=lite8 -dao -ignsize cdrom.iso Your original write blew up because the largest disc that can be encoded in the ATIP is 700 mb. Anything larger is an overburn, and you're right back to the CUE sheet problem again. I've got three recorders... one NEC, two LiteOn. The NEC won't overburn no matter what you do, one of the LiteOn's doesn't care and just does whatever you tell it, and the other LiteOn has the CUE sheet thing. Frustrating. I can live with something that behaves predictably. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:47:37AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:28:16 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:34:17AM +, Pigeon wrote: cdrecord -v -speed=32 dev=x,y,z -dao -isosize filename.raw The hitch was the instruction to cdrecord to write the disc in DAO mode. Many many recorders cannot deal with the CUE sheet they're sent in DAO mode unless they're told the total size of the image. What works for me is option -ignsize: echo burn 800MB ; cdrecord -v dev=lite8 -dao -ignsize cdrom.iso Hmm, didn't work for me. From man cdrecord: -ignsize Ignore the known size of the medium. This options should be used with extreme care, it exists only for debugging purposes don't use it for other rea sons. It is not needed to write disks with more than the nominal capacity. Very odd. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 23:30, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? Buy them in a store. ^_^ You can get 90 minute and 99 minute discs now. Silly comments from the Peanut Gallery are *not* appreciated this late at night... The 90's usually work in most drives that you can get to do overburn, but the 99's are VERY twitchy because not only do they use the run-out area, but the spiral is tighter. Then I think I'll stick w/ disks that follow the standards. That's what Linux is all about, anyway, right? Besides, when I have more than 700MB to burn, I use That Which One Is Supposed To Use In This Situation: split(1)! -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | Fear the Penguin!! | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 02:45:56AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 23:30, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? Buy them in a store. ^_^ You can get 90 minute and 99 minute discs now. Silly comments from the Peanut Gallery are *not* appreciated this late at night... I got them from a stall at a computer fair. The brand is Infiniti and www.medeainternational.com appears on the label. There are plenty of other choices. These cost 10 pounds for 25 disks. I'd have preferred 90s but they only had 99s. They seem to be OK in a Cyber CW088D CD writer. The 90's usually work in most drives that you can get to do overburn, but the 99's are VERY twitchy because not only do they use the run-out area, but the spiral is tighter. Then I think I'll stick w/ disks that follow the standards. That's what Linux is all about, anyway, right? Besides, when I have more than 700MB to burn, I use That Which One Is Supposed To Use In This Situation: split(1)! Hmm. Dear Messrs Gilmour, Waters, Mason and Wright, Please could you re-record The Wall at an average tempo 1.5% faster than the original so I can get it all on one CD without breaking the standards. Thanks, Pigeon. Dear Pigeon, Sorry, Roger is no longer with us. He's split(1). PF Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 08:50, Pigeon wrote: On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 02:45:56AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 23:30, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? [snip] Besides, when I have more than 700MB to burn, I use That Which One Is Supposed To Use In This Situation: split(1)! Hmm. Dear Messrs Gilmour, Waters, Mason and Wright, Please could you re-record The Wall at an average tempo 1.5% faster than the original so I can get it all on one CD without breaking the standards. Thanks, Pigeon. Dear Pigeon, Sorry, Roger is no longer with us. He's split(1). PF Well, you see, if you listened to *good* bands, like the Rolling Stones, or, better yet, the Bellamy Brothers, or even *better*, Merle Haggard, you wouldn't have that problem, now would you? -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | Fear the Penguin!! | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
Hi, This might help someone who's using cdrecord to write BIG DISKS. I got a pack of 900Mb CD-Rs recently, and tried to write a large image according to the cookbook example in man cdrecord: cdrecord -v -speed=32 dev=x,y,z filename.raw Didn't work. As soon as it had written 703Mb it barfed with an 'attempt to seek past last sector' or similar. This did work: cdrecord -v -speed=32 dev=x,y,z -dao -isosize filename.raw The cookbook example for writing audio CDs does work for CDs larger than 703Mb. (The main reason I bought those CD-Rs was to get both albums of The Wall onto one CD. That worked fine... but my hi-fi's CD player doesn't like it - just about manages to read the TOC, can't manage to read the rest.) Hope this helps someone. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 19:34, Pigeon wrote: Hi, This might help someone who's using cdrecord to write BIG DISKS. I got a pack of 900Mb CD-Rs recently, and tried to write a large image according to the cookbook example in man cdrecord: cdrecord -v -speed=32 dev=x,y,z filename.raw Didn't work. As soon as it had written 703Mb it barfed with an 'attempt to seek past last sector' or similar. This did work: cdrecord -v -speed=32 dev=x,y,z -dao -isosize filename.raw The cookbook example for writing audio CDs does work for CDs larger than 703Mb. (The main reason I bought those CD-Rs was to get both albums of The Wall onto one CD. That worked fine... but my hi-fi's CD player doesn't like it - just about manages to read the TOC, can't manage to read the rest.) Hope this helps someone. Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? How many minutes of music are they supposed to hold? The only 2 sizes I've seen are 650MiB (74 min) 700MiB (80 min). -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | Fear the Penguin!! | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? Buy them in a store. ^_^ You can get 90 minute and 99 minute discs now. The 90's usually work in most drives that you can get to do overburn, but the 99's are VERY twitchy because not only do they use the run-out area, but the spiral is tighter. -- Marc Wilson | It is the theory which decides what can be observed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Albert Einstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:34:17AM +, Pigeon wrote: cdrecord -v -speed=32 dev=x,y,z -dao -isosize filename.raw The hitch was the instruction to cdrecord to write the disc in DAO mode. Many many recorders cannot deal with the CUE sheet they're sent in DAO mode unless they're told the total size of the image. Your original write blew up because the largest disc that can be encoded in the ATIP is 700 mb. Anything larger is an overburn, and you're right back to the CUE sheet problem again. I've got three recorders... one NEC, two LiteOn. The NEC won't overburn no matter what you do, one of the LiteOn's doesn't care and just does whatever you tell it, and the other LiteOn has the CUE sheet thing. Frustrating. -- Marc Wilson | The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | school as a boy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? How many minutes of music are they supposed to hold? The only 2 sizes I've seen are 650MiB (74 min) 700MiB (80 min). You can get 90-minute and 99-minute discs from some mail-order places. 80min discs are the largest that actually follow the spec, 90/99min discs wind the spiral tighter and run it out to the very edge of the disc. Not all burners can reliably burn them, and some hardware can't read them either. -- Michael Heironimus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
