Re: choice of software

2002-11-08 Thread Joshua Lee
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 11:09:01AM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> I'd also recommend 'abuse' and 'abuse-frabs' which is a fun little game
> of killing aliens with huge guns.  It reminds me of Metroid.

Note: abuse is marked as obsolete according to apt-cache show, you
should install abuse-sdl instead...


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-07 Thread Nick Traxler
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 11:09:01AM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> I'd also recommend 'abuse' and 'abuse-frabs' which is a fun little game
> of killing aliens with huge guns.  It reminds me of Metroid.

Of course, Debian includes Super Nintendo emulators, so if you can
"acquire" ROMs, you can play the real Metroid. I never had a console as
a kid, so that was a pretty fun way to spend a few evenings.
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Re: choice of software

2002-11-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 05:51:12PM +0100, Philippe Marzouk wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 11:14:33AM -0500, Levi Waldron wrote:
> > have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to make xmms a little 
> > more readable?
> > 
> 
> There are a lot of XMMS themes existing (just like winamp) so pick up (or
> even create) the one you like best.

Not only that, but XMMS supports WinAMP skins natively.

-rob



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Re: choice of software

2002-11-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:43:22AM +0800, csj wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:44:41 -0500
> Joshua Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  >   :game playing
[snip good suggestions]

Some more suggestions:

I'd also recommend 'abuse' and 'abuse-frabs' which is a fun little game
of killing aliens with huge guns.  It reminds me of Metroid.

bzflag is a great little 3d multiplayer
drive-tanks-around-and-blow-each-other-up game.

dopewars is fairly fun too, with a couple of different clients.

freeciv sure ain't as pretty as Alpha Centauri or Civ3 but it's a damn
fun way to waste time (especially on the multiplayer servers).

Nethack, of course, and it's extremely perty modern cousin FalconsEye.

I remember playing lincity all night back in my RedHat 5.2 days.  Not
too complicated, but rather addictive.

Nighthawk looks interesting, but I haven't played it too much.

Tuxracer is great as well, but you'll want some 3d hardware
acceleration.

-rob



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Re: choice of software

2002-11-06 Thread Larry W . Irwin Sr .
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:19:27 -0800
Jim Bowering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small
> > font, so have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to make
> > xmms a little more readable?

  Look in the Options menu for the entry "DoubleSize". My eyes are pretty bad,
too.

Larry


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Tinus Kotzé
>
> So long as you're not looking for Final Fantasy, there's plenty of
> packaged and playable games.
>
Why not? I tried it and it worked very nice.The playstation version via 
epxs(emulator) or something like that. I can't remember exactly what the name 
was. Lost everything with WD packing up on me right after I downloaded and 
tried it. Fine time it was to buy these so called backup devices named 
cdrw's. 

Cheers
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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread csj
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:44:41 -0500
Joshua Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  >   :game playing
> 
>  I've just apt-getted frozen-bubble. It's a neat arcade puzzle-game
>  with great graphics and a sound-track. It is reccomended, along with
>  several other games that are available on Debian apt servers, in an
>  article at freshmeat.net (where nearly anything available for Linux
>  is listed, though sadly they don't link to .deb packages.)

So long as you're not looking for Final Fantasy, there's plenty of
packaged and playable games.

pingus. My favorite for sentimental reasons. It's a clone of Lemmings,
my favorite DOS game (or for that matter, favorite game to run on any
MS platform). The goal is to get as many penguins to dig, bomb, bridge,
etc, their way out of a level.

amphetamine. Not crack, but a (3rd person) game where you run, jump past
obstacles, or exterminate them. As in pingus, there's a bit of puzzle
solving involved, as you try to figure figure out the physics of each
level, such as the precise key combination to jump to a ledge and not
fall off, or the location of the controls to open a gate or trigger an
elevator.

burgerspace. A soundless AFAICT arcade type game where you complete
the layers of a hamburger sandwich while dodging onions and other lethal
veggies.

circuslinux. A noisy but otherwise brainless bounce and pop game. To
paraphrase the package description, you bounce a clown into the air to
pop balloons overhead.

flightgear. A flight simulator game I once tried on my
graphics-handicapped Pentium II. To astoundingly glacial results.

bsdgames. Be amazed by such classic games as hangman, boggle,
backgammon and snake, most of them powered by little more than
state of the art ascii graphics.

And your choice or variant of tetris, mahjohng or solitaire. The Windows
game I miss most is the game that came bundled (yes, that evil word) in
the '95 (?) installation CD. Does anybody know of a Hover clone? (I'm
pretty sure it's a clone itself.)


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Joshua Lee
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 04:38:39PM -0400, james leclair wrote:
>   :mail clients

I use mutt, if you prefer a graphical client there is sylpheed-claws for
a lightweight client and evolution for a more kitchen-sink sized one. :-)

>   :game playing

I've just apt-getted frozen-bubble. It's a neat arcade puzzle-game with
great graphics and a sound-track. It is reccomended, along with several
other games that are available on Debian apt servers, in an article at
freshmeat.net (where nearly anything available for Linux is listed,
though sadly they don't link to .deb packages.)


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Levi Waldron
On November 5, 2002 12:07 pm, Hall Stevenson wrote:
> Have you simply tried a different "skin" ?? xmms can use WinAmp skins or
> you've got these, http://xmms.org/skins.html, to choose from.
>
> I know what you're talking about with the default, and many of the
> "popular" ones, being so "dark".
>
>
> Hall

Wow, there's quite a selection!  I'm now using Helix-Sawfish-XMMS and XawMMS 
- Helix is pretty slick and fairly easy to read, Xaw is the most readable one 
I saw.


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Tinus Kotzé
On Monday 04 November 2002 10:38 pm, james leclair wrote:
> Hello,
> We currently run a variety if Debian products in the mail and file serving
> areas. Now we are investigating the possiblity of running Debian products
> on our desktops. Could someone please recommend what packages we should be
> running in the following areas for our desktop machines should we switch to
> Debian? Essentially what packages should we look to add to our Debian
> desktops. By the way, Debian server products are outstanding!!!
>
> Example:
>:multimedia(music, movies, photo editing)
>:mail clients
>:game playing
I didn't see anybody answer this so, lets try. You can look at ID's games. I 
heard a rumar that they program their games on linux/unix systems. I do know 
for a fact that you should quite easily get linux binaries for quake 2/3 and 
Return to Castle Wolfenstein. You should still have the bought copy of these 
programs since no maps etc is included, just the parts that is different 
between OS's. I have heard about a couple of people also playing StarCraft on 
linux via Wine(freeware Windoz emulator) and also 
Halflife-Counterstrike(still got some bugs). In the deb package I saw 
FreeCraft a couple of months back. It is 'n Warcraft 2 clone, with 
possibilities to import WarCraft II maps and characters(textures), making it 
look just like Warcraft. The std graphics can be done a bit better, but if 
only I was so artstic... Small games to get time buy is plentyfull as was 
said later in this thread. There is also doom(I/II) and heretic clones in the 
deb package. Same situation as with Quake and RTCW, you still need maps.

Have fun, but not at cost of your work. This world don't like people sitting 
back and doing nothing.

Tinus


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Dale Hair
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 10:14, Levi Waldron wrote:
> On November 4, 2002 04:19 pm, Johannes Zarl wrote:
> >   +xmms -- a winamp lookalike
> 
> I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small font, so 
> have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to make xmms a little 
> more readable?
> 
> -Levi

http://xmms.org/skins.html


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Jim Bowering
On Tuesday 05 November 2002 08:14 am, Levi Waldron wrote:
> On November 4, 2002 04:19 pm, Johannes Zarl wrote:
> >   +xmms -- a winamp lookalike
>
> I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small
> font, so have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to make
> xmms a little more readable?
>
> -Levi

Go to xmms.org and get some of the easier-to-see skins.

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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 11:14 AM 11/5/2002 -0500, Levi Waldron wrote:

On November 4, 2002 04:19 pm, Johannes Zarl wrote:
>   +xmms -- a winamp lookalike

I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small font, so
have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to make xmms a little
more readable?



Have you simply tried a different "skin" ?? xmms can use WinAmp skins or 
you've got these, http://xmms.org/skins.html, to choose from.

I know what you're talking about with the default, and many of the 
"popular" ones, being so "dark".


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Steve Juranich
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:14:33 -0500
Levi Waldron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small
> font, so have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to
> make xmms a little more readable?

Try http://www.xmms.org/skins.html.  I like XawMMS theme.  It reminds me
of xmh. :)

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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Philippe Marzouk
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 11:14:33AM -0500, Levi Waldron wrote:
> On November 4, 2002 04:19 pm, Johannes Zarl wrote:
> >   +xmms -- a winamp lookalike
> 
> I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small font, so 
> have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to make xmms a little 
> more readable?
> 

There are a lot of XMMS themes existing (just like winamp) so pick up (or
even create) the one you like best.

Philippe


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Levi Waldron said:
> On November 4, 2002 04:19 pm, Johannes Zarl wrote:
> >   +xmms -- a winamp lookalike
> 
> I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small font, so 
> have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to make xmms a little 
> more readable?
> 
> -Levi

http://www.xmms.org/skins.html

Should help.

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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Glyn Kennington
Levi Waldron wrote:
> On November 4, 2002 04:19 pm, Johannes Zarl wrote:
> >   +xmms -- a winamp lookalike
> 
> I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small font, so 
> have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to make xmms a little 
> more readable?

It supports skins.  Take a look at http://www.xmms.org/skins.html .

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Re: choice of software

2002-11-05 Thread Levi Waldron
On November 4, 2002 04:19 pm, Johannes Zarl wrote:
>   +xmms -- a winamp lookalike

I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small font, so 
have been using noatun instead.  Has anyone found a way to make xmms a little 
more readable?

-Levi


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-04 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Jason Pepas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Monday, 04 November 2002, 09:07 PM -0600):
> > I've had problems running console-based music programs -- starting new
> > programs and processes tends to interrupt music output, which I find
> > annoying. If you're using a graphical environment, I highly recommend
> > xmms -- it's fairly lightweight, there are a number of different panel
> > applets that can control it (as well as CLI commands!), and can play
> > just about anything.
> 
> I wouldn't exactly call it lightweight...
> 
> I have both xmms and cplay open right now, and gtop shows xmms at 28MB, and 
> mpg123 (via cplay) at less than 3MB...
It's lightweight when compared to other GUI clients, particularly on
Windows. My wife has a 1.8GHz machine with 256MB dual-booting Debian and
Windows 98, and winamp will slow that machine to a crawl, while xmms
hardly registers (I've had OpenOffice, the GIMP, Evolution, and multiple
Mozilla windows all open simultaneous to running XMMS on that machine,
while under windows if I try to open more than one or two programs
beyond winamp, it'll die).

Also, note that I mentioned I've had problems with CLI music programs --
wierd skips that occur when new processes start, etc. This is simply
*my* experience. If I could find a viable CLI alternative, I'd jump on
it! (I use screen a lot, and really have my window manager up primarily
for a web browser and the occasional GIMP session). Don't bother
pointing one out on this thread, however -- I've tried just about all of
the ones available in Debian.

> For me this is not a concern, but for someone with, say, 128MB of RAM, if they 
> are running a desktop environment, an email client, and a few mozilla 
> windows, 28MB of RAM is suddenly a scarce resource.
Interestinly, my primary machine is a Celeron 366MHz that until recently
had only 96MB -- XMMS hasn't been a problem on this machine. Of course,
I'm running blackbox, gkrellm, ROX-Filer, screen, and Phoenix, so my
resource usage is pretty mimimal :-)

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Re: choice of software

2002-11-04 Thread Jason Pepas
> I've had problems running console-based music programs -- starting new
> programs and processes tends to interrupt music output, which I find
> annoying. If you're using a graphical environment, I highly recommend
> xmms -- it's fairly lightweight, there are a number of different panel
> applets that can control it (as well as CLI commands!), and can play
> just about anything.

I wouldn't exactly call it lightweight...

I have both xmms and cplay open right now, and gtop shows xmms at 28MB, and 
mpg123 (via cplay) at less than 3MB...

For me this is not a concern, but for someone with, say, 128MB of RAM, if they 
are running a desktop environment, an email client, and a few mozilla 
windows, 28MB of RAM is suddenly a scarce resource.

-jason pepas


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Re: choice of software

2002-11-04 Thread Johannes Zarl
On Monday 04 November 2002 23:05, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> >   +evolution -- non-free client from ximian. Offers calender, etc.(a
> > bit like outlook on windows)
>
> As Matthew Weier O'Phinney notes, Evolution is one of the Gnome email
> clients - there are a number depending on the scale of program desired.
> That said, Evolution is GPL'd - it is not non-free.

Oops, I really should have looked on their homepage before writing. 
Apologies for my spreading misinformation.

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Re: choice of software

2002-11-04 Thread Mark L. Kahnt
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 16:19, Johannes Zarl wrote:
> On Monday 04 November 2002 21:38, james leclair wrote:
> > Hello,
> 
> Hello, too;-)
> 
> > We currently run a variety if Debian products in the mail and file
> > serving areas. Now we are investigating the possiblity of running Debian
> > products on our desktops. Could someone please recommend what packages
> > we should be running in the following areas for our desktop machines
> > should we switch to Debian? 
> 
> First you should decide, which Desktop Environment (KDE, Gnome) you want 
> to use, or if you want to use a more light-weight windowmanager 
> (enlightenment, blackbox, fluxbox, and many more).
> 
> Desktop Environments have the benefit, that their programs tend to work 
> together quite well and have the same look-and-feel, whereas "pure" 
> windowmanagers encourage you to pick out the best suited programs for your 
> needs.
> 
> > Essentially what packages should we look to
> > add to our Debian desktops. By the way, Debian server products are
> > outstanding!!!
> >
> > Example:
> >:multimedia(music, movies, photo editing)
> Assuming you don't want to manipulate music/movies, following packages may 
> be worth a look:
> - music:
>   +mpg321 -- plays mp3-files, console-based
>   +ogg123 (vorbis-tools) -- plays ogg-vorbis-files, console-based
>   +cplay  -- provides easy-to-use interface to other programs like
> mpg321/ogg123, console based
>   +xmms -- a winamp lookalike
>   +noatun -- kde's mediaplayer
>   +rythmbox -- a media-player for gnome (well, i don't know it, but a quick
> apt-cache search returned it)
> Personally I prefer the console-based applications, but who cares;-)
> 
> - movies:
>   +xine -- plays movies, works well for me;-)
>   +mplay -- not yet a debian-package, but look's promising..
>   +others: Anyone got alternatives/better ones?
> 
> - photo editing:
>   +gimp -- Tried it, loved it. Don't care about others.
> 
> >:mail clients
>   +kmail -- the client of kde. Using kde i use kmail, too.
>   +mutt -- some people i know swear on it; console based
>   +evolution -- non-free client from ximian. Offers calender, etc.(a bit 
> like outlook on windows)

As Matthew Weier O'Phinney notes, Evolution is one of the Gnome email
clients - there are a number depending on the scale of program desired.
That said, Evolution is GPL'd - it is not non-free.

>   +gnome ought to have its own client, too
> >:game playing
> >
> > Thanks,
> > James
> 
> Hope I could help you,
>   Johannes
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Re: choice of software

2002-11-04 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Johannes Zarl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Monday, 04 November 2002, 10:19 PM +0100):
> On Monday 04 November 2002 21:38, james leclair wrote:
> > We currently run a variety if Debian products in the mail and file
> > serving areas. Now we are investigating the possiblity of running Debian
> > products on our desktops. Could someone please recommend what packages
> > we should be running in the following areas for our desktop machines
> > should we switch to Debian? 
> 
> First you should decide, which Desktop Environment (KDE, Gnome) you want 
> to use, or if you want to use a more light-weight windowmanager 
> (enlightenment, blackbox, fluxbox, and many more).
> 
> Desktop Environments have the benefit, that their programs tend to work 
> together quite well and have the same look-and-feel, whereas "pure" 
> windowmanagers encourage you to pick out the best suited programs for your 
> needs.
I highly agree here -- if you are looking at having a similar look and
feel across your client desktops, you need to determine how you're going
to deliver that. Desktop environments provide an easy way to do so, but
they are consistently more resource intensive than running a window
manager and installing libraries for the programs you run. So, determine
your needs, and research from there.

> > Essentially what packages should we look to add to our Debian
> > desktops. 
> > Example:
> >:multimedia(music, movies, photo editing)
> Assuming you don't want to manipulate music/movies, following packages may 
> be worth a look:
> - music:
>   +mpg321 -- plays mp3-files, console-based
>   +ogg123 (vorbis-tools) -- plays ogg-vorbis-files, console-based
>   +cplay  -- provides easy-to-use interface to other programs like
> mpg321/ogg123, console based
>   +xmms -- a winamp lookalike
>   +noatun -- kde's mediaplayer
>   +rythmbox -- a media-player for gnome (well, i don't know it, but a quick
> apt-cache search returned it)
> Personally I prefer the console-based applications, but who cares;-)
I've had problems running console-based music programs -- starting new
programs and processes tends to interrupt music output, which I find
annoying. If you're using a graphical environment, I highly recommend
xmms -- it's fairly lightweight, there are a number of different panel
applets that can control it (as well as CLI commands!), and can play
just about anything.

> - movies:
>   +xine -- plays movies, works well for me;-)
>   +mplay -- not yet a debian-package, but look's promising..
>   +others: Anyone got alternatives/better ones?
Umm, that would be _mplayer_, and you can get deb packages for it using
either of the following apt sources:
deb http://mplayer.nmeos.net stable/
deb http://marillat.free.fr/ stable main

> - photo editing:
>   +gimp -- Tried it, loved it. Don't care about others.
I agree here -- the GIMP is incredible, and can serve anything from
small scale needs to advanced image manipulation. However, if you just
need to view images, gqview is quite nice. If you're doing batch
manipulations (rotating or scaling all images in a directory),
ImageMagick is /very/ nice.

> >:mail clients
>   +kmail -- the client of kde. Using kde i use kmail, too.
>   +mutt -- some people i know swear on it; console based
>   +evolution -- non-free client from ximian. Offers calender, etc.(a bit 
> like outlook on windows)
>   +gnome ought to have its own client, too
Evolution /is/ the GNOME mail client. Mozilla also has one (optional
under debian) which is easy to migrate to if you've been using
Netscape's. I'm one of those who swear's on mutt :-) .

> >:game playing
What kind of games do you have in mind? Didn't you say this was for
work? :-) If you just want some solitaire, pysol has /tons/ of different
options... outside of that, I can't help you (don't play too many games
on my machine).

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Re: choice of software

2002-11-04 Thread Johannes Zarl
On Monday 04 November 2002 21:38, james leclair wrote:
> Hello,

Hello, too;-)

> We currently run a variety if Debian products in the mail and file
> serving areas. Now we are investigating the possiblity of running Debian
> products on our desktops. Could someone please recommend what packages
> we should be running in the following areas for our desktop machines
> should we switch to Debian? 

First you should decide, which Desktop Environment (KDE, Gnome) you want 
to use, or if you want to use a more light-weight windowmanager 
(enlightenment, blackbox, fluxbox, and many more).

Desktop Environments have the benefit, that their programs tend to work 
together quite well and have the same look-and-feel, whereas "pure" 
windowmanagers encourage you to pick out the best suited programs for your 
needs.

> Essentially what packages should we look to
> add to our Debian desktops. By the way, Debian server products are
> outstanding!!!
>
> Example:
>:multimedia(music, movies, photo editing)
Assuming you don't want to manipulate music/movies, following packages may 
be worth a look:
- music:
  +mpg321 -- plays mp3-files, console-based
  +ogg123 (vorbis-tools) -- plays ogg-vorbis-files, console-based
  +cplay  -- provides easy-to-use interface to other programs like
mpg321/ogg123, console based
  +xmms -- a winamp lookalike
  +noatun -- kde's mediaplayer
  +rythmbox -- a media-player for gnome (well, i don't know it, but a quick
apt-cache search returned it)
Personally I prefer the console-based applications, but who cares;-)

- movies:
  +xine -- plays movies, works well for me;-)
  +mplay -- not yet a debian-package, but look's promising..
  +others: Anyone got alternatives/better ones?

- photo editing:
  +gimp -- Tried it, loved it. Don't care about others.

>:mail clients
  +kmail -- the client of kde. Using kde i use kmail, too.
  +mutt -- some people i know swear on it; console based
  +evolution -- non-free client from ximian. Offers calender, etc.(a bit 
like outlook on windows)
  +gnome ought to have its own client, too
>:game playing
>
> Thanks,
> James

Hope I could help you,
  Johannes

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choice of software

2002-11-04 Thread james leclair
Hello,
We currently run a variety if Debian products in the mail and file serving 
areas. Now we are investigating the possiblity of running Debian products 
on our desktops. Could someone please recommend what packages we should be 
running in the following areas for our desktop machines should we switch to 
Debian? Essentially what packages should we look to add to our Debian 
desktops. By the way, Debian server products are outstanding!!!

Example:
  :multimedia(music, movies, photo editing)
  :mail clients
  :game playing

Thanks,
James


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