Re: debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, dman wrote: > The suits are probably the only ones who would actually pay for > someone to tell them they don't know what they're doing :-). The rest > of us come here and get your support for free ;-). I was on the end of an escallations queue that the local cable companies forward thier tough calls up to for free. Free tech support. So the only people who ever called were the ones who think I should bend over and kiss thier ass for hardly more than minimum wage ($6.50 in Oregon, I was making $7.50 when I first made this observation, I made $11.50 when I got canned, and make more now) and think that I actually gave a damn that they're only able to download at 2.7Mbps. Cry me a tear. You're paying for residential service, if you want to do your daytrading with extreme expectations of uptime, go get @Work and get off my phone 8:o). I never sent a truck out for speed issues unless they were 70kbps or worse, and I was being generous, the guideline was 60. I don't mind supporting people, now, since I reserve the right to tell you to piss off if you're completely clueless and can't understand how to right-click after having it explained to you 6 times in 45 minutes. -- Baloo
Re: debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 04:22:28PM -0800, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote: ... | [1] I am starting to doubt if there's anybody but suits in the bay area, | from the people that make it to Portland I meet, my trip to Redwood City | and my experiance taking tech support calls, this seems unlikely that | anything other than suits exists in the bay area and the Valley. If | there is life beyond the suit there, they carefully hide any sign of | it... 8:o) The suits are probably the only ones who would actually pay for someone to tell them they don't know what they're doing :-). The rest of us come here and get your support for free ;-). -D -- The fear of the Lord leads to life: Then one rests content, untouched by trouble. Proverbs 19:23
Re: debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
all: i heartly agree with noah. i too am a speakeasy customer after my former isp (verio) attempted to dump me onto earthlink.net (huh???). anyway, customer satisfaction has been nothing short of excellent. i am running two dns servers at home with the two ip's furnished by speakeasy. i am in the process of registering those with internic (though through apparent incompetance on the part of network solutions, it is taking way, way too much time!) On Monday 14 January 2002 12:12 pm, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 10:25:54AM -0800, Kurt Lieber wrote: > > I'm moving to NYC in the next couple of weeks to start a new job. Can > > anyone provide recommendations for ISPs that will allow me to run a few > > debian boxes (and one iMac) with a minimum of hassle? I'm looking to > > avoid ISPs that require proprietary software or funky configs just to get > > them to work on their network. > > Speakeasy! (www.speakeasy.net) They are very friendly to the idea of > doing more than just websurfing in windows. They actually *encourage* > the running of servers on their DSL network and are happy to hand out > multiple static IP addresses (they charge for them, but not a huge > amount). They will handle DNS service for you, or let you do it > yourself if you want (except reverse DNS, which they insist on running, > though they'll make any reasonable changes you ask them to). > > They're certainly not the cheapest ISP in the country, but they may very > well be the best. I've been their customer for a bit more than a year > now, and have not experienced a single unscheduled outtage. > > noah -- regards, allen wayne best contractor, diagnostics and support tools "your friendly neighborhood rambler owner" "my rambler will go from 0 to 105" Current date: 43:20:17::13:2002 Ramblers -- Don't you wish everyone had one?
Re: debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Osamu Aoki wrote: > Hi, Here is an [EMAIL PROTECTED] customer who was moved to new ATTBI.COM > service in Northern California. New terms of service states additional > "no-Server" policy. Yuck !!. (I never signed it but sent to me when > change happened. So it is legally not binding.) Here in Portland, that clause was *removed*. > Cable is easy, I agree. But your statement on fixed IP is not correct > as I observe it. @Home does static IPs exclusively. The only time they change your IP on @Home is when network load or maintenance dictates it. AT&T is NOT @Home and never will be. Thank God. I used to have to deal with them from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] did the right thing and got screwed by AT&T, Cox and Comcast for it and I really hope they get nailed for collusion (though if it hadn't been for that, I probably wouldn't have gotten a better paying job, but still, it sucks when Christmas is exchanging packs of generic cigarettes with your roommates in a cold house). > HOME.COM -> ATTBI.COM change actually affected IP address given by DHCP > but it has been the same IP since day 1 of ATTBI.COM service. So > situation is almost same as before. True, they have their DHCP servers working correctly. -- Baloo
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Adam Majer wrote: > Yes they do, _but_ it's not trully static and if you want trully static you > need > to play $60 for biz cable and $20 for static - that about US$50/mo. The point is it won't be changing often enough for it to not count as static, unless you live in Illinois or the SFBA. But all networks in both those markets suck, it's just which one sucks more. (From what I can tell it seems to be either mislegislation or mismanagement on most networks in Illinois and impatient suits[1] hogging all the bandwidth in SFBA). > Cable is usually on DHCP. Yup. And from what I hear, RoadRunner's on PPPoE in many (most?) markets. > I thought it would be PAP? At least around here. I guess it varies from market to market. My server is set up to handle all three... [1] I am starting to doubt if there's anybody but suits in the bay area, from the people that make it to Portland I meet, my trip to Redwood City and my experiance taking tech support calls, this seems unlikely that anything other than suits exists in the bay area and the Valley. If there is life beyond the suit there, they carefully hide any sign of it... 8:o) -- Baloo
Re: debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 03:41:36PM -0800, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote: > Cable setup is pretty straightforward. I used to do tech support for > @Home before I got laid off and got a better paying job as a security > guard. Other than the dying @Home network, I don't think there's a > cable network left in the US that'll do static IPs on the residential > system, though Rogers in Canada does, from what I hear. Yes they do, _but_ it's not trully static and if you want trully static you need to play $60 for biz cable and $20 for static - that about US$50/mo. Cable is usually on DHCP. > > look into whether the roaring penguin package will work. if it's dial > > up, just check into what authentication they use most will be ppp, > > which the pppd package should handle nicely. > > That's protocol, not authentication. Authentication is *usually* CHAP > or MS-CHAP on PPP. I thought it would be PAP? At least around here.
Re: debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
Hi, Here is an [EMAIL PROTECTED] customer who was moved to new ATTBI.COM service in Northern California. New terms of service states additional "no-Server" policy. Yuck !!. (I never signed it but sent to me when change happened. So it is legally not binding.) On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 03:41:36PM -0800, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote: > Cable setup is pretty straightforward. I used to do tech support for > @Home before I got laid off and got a better paying job as a security > guard. Other than the dying @Home network, I don't think there's a > cable network left in the US that'll do static IPs on the residential > system, though Rogers in Canada does, from what I hear. Cable is easy, I agree. But your statement on fixed IP is not correct as I observe it. HOME.COM -> ATTBI.COM change actually affected IP address given by DHCP but it has been the same IP since day 1 of ATTBI.COM service. So situation is almost same as before. I have third level domain pointing to that machine and reachable by ssh. Cheers :) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GnuPG-key: 1024D/D5DE453D + + My debian quick-reference, http://qref.sourceforge.net/quick/ +
Re: debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Jason M. Harvey wrote: > dsl - the local telco is verizon. if you get their residential package, > i'm pretty sure they use pppoe on adsl... At least in the Portland, Oregon area they do not use PPPoE (though even though they got the "don't use PPPoE" idea right, it doesn't stop them from sucking hardcore). > cable - there are at least 3 main cable providers in nj, anyway. i > haven't heard any problems from any of them with linux they don't > "support" linux, but they work. most of them use tcp/ip and no pppoe. Cable setup is pretty straightforward. I used to do tech support for @Home before I got laid off and got a better paying job as a security guard. Other than the dying @Home network, I don't think there's a cable network left in the US that'll do static IPs on the residential system, though Rogers in Canada does, from what I hear. > look into whether the roaring penguin package will work. if it's dial > up, just check into what authentication they use most will be ppp, > which the pppd package should handle nicely. That's protocol, not authentication. Authentication is *usually* CHAP or MS-CHAP on PPP. -- Baloo
Re: debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 10:25:54AM -0800, Kurt Lieber wrote: > I'm moving to NYC in the next couple of weeks to start a new job. Can anyone > provide recommendations for ISPs that will allow me to run a few debian boxes > (and one iMac) with a minimum of hassle? I'm looking to avoid ISPs that > require proprietary software or funky configs just to get them to work on > their network. Speakeasy! (www.speakeasy.net) They are very friendly to the idea of doing more than just websurfing in windows. They actually *encourage* the running of servers on their DSL network and are happy to hand out multiple static IP addresses (they charge for them, but not a huge amount). They will handle DNS service for you, or let you do it yourself if you want (except reverse DNS, which they insist on running, though they'll make any reasonable changes you ask them to). They're certainly not the cheapest ISP in the country, but they may very well be the best. I've been their customer for a bit more than a year now, and have not experienced a single unscheduled outtage. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgpSqDgmzqa3U.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
hi kurt, in the new jersey area... well, for dial-up, i'm not sure. for broadband: dsl - the local telco is verizon. if you get their residential package, i'm pretty sure they use pppoe on adsl... which the roaring penguin softare should work fine provided your kernel supports it. their buisiness class dsl (sdsl) should use tcp/ip with no user-authentication such as pppoe. if you can find an isp that uses covad (www.covad.com) as a clec, that would be nice. their sdsl packages may start around $100 per month for 192k and go up (and maybe past) 1.5 mb/s. if these isp's use covad for adsl lines, you may find one for about $40 per month. they may or may not use pppoe. cable - there are at least 3 main cable providers in nj, anyway. i haven't heard any problems from any of them with linux they don't "support" linux, but they work. most of them use tcp/ip and no pppoe. what this comes down to tcp/ip is fine. either way, if you have static or dynamic ip addressing, it should work. if they use pppoe, just look into whether the roaring penguin package will work. if it's dial up, just check into what authentication they use most will be ppp, which the pppd package should handle nicely. good luck, and welcome to the area! jason -- registered linux user #202942 http://counter.li.org/ http://www.theigloo.dhs.org
debian-friendly DSL/cable ISP in NYC area?
I'm moving to NYC in the next couple of weeks to start a new job. Can anyone provide recommendations for ISPs that will allow me to run a few debian boxes (and one iMac) with a minimum of hassle? I'm looking to avoid ISPs that require proprietary software or funky configs just to get them to work on their network. Also, I googled around for this without much luck, but if anyone knows of some web sites that will help in my search, please let me know. Thanks. --kurt
