RE: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ?
to be honest, i think a 486 cannot catch up with that type of CDRW, unless you add a local bus controller to it that supports some ATA interface at 33/66/100 Mbps, otherwise burning could prove REAL slow/unreliable. -Original Message- From: Viktor Rosenfeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an old, lonely 486 with 8 MB and want to use it for Linux. Is there any chance to use debian 2.2 on it. I read in the installation manual, that it needs 12 MB. As someone else already pointed out, that you can install potato on a machine with 8MB RAM, but it's really painful. An alternative would be to do the actual install on a faster machine to get a base system up and running and then stuffing the hard drive into your 486. Running apt-get to add or delete stuff is fairly easy, although it will take some minutes, too. I installed my firewall like that and it works like a charm (zero loadavg). HTH, Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/ Geek Code (3.1): GCS/SS d-@ s+: a20 C++@ UL++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o? K? !W O? M? V? PS++@ PE+(-) Y+ P?(+++) t+ 5+ X- R? !tv b+ DI+ D- G e+++ h-- r- !y+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? : i have been banned ?
i got this message ? what's that supposed to mean ? i'm boring you all to death and have been voted from this list ? actually, i've been receiving mail from this person for quite some time now, zapped it with the rest of non-related mails, not much of a proof left now : -( []-Original Message- []From: unix,inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] []Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:24 AM []To: Joris Lambrecht []Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? [] [] []From now on, the mail from you is unnecessary. Please do not []send back out []it. [] [][EMAIL PROTECTED] []- Original Message - []From: Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] []To: 'Viktor Rosenfeld' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [][EMAIL PROTECTED] []Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org []Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 5:07 PM []Subject: RE: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? [] [] [] to be honest, i think a 486 cannot catch up with that type []of CDRW, unless [] you add a local bus controller to it that supports some ATA []interface at [] 33/66/100 Mbps, otherwise burning could prove REAL slow/unreliable. [] [] -Original Message- [] From: Viktor Rosenfeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:29 PM [] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org [] Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? [] [] [] Hi, [] [] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [] [] I have an old, lonely 486 with 8 MB and want to use it for Linux. [] Is there any chance to use debian 2.2 on it. [] I read in the installation manual, that it needs 12 MB. [] [] As someone else already pointed out, that you can install []potato on a [] machine with 8MB RAM, but it's really painful. [] [] An alternative would be to do the actual install on a []faster machine to [] get a base system up and running and then stuffing the hard []drive into [] your 486. Running apt-get to add or delete stuff is fairly easy, [] although it will take some minutes, too. I installed my []firewall like [] that and it works like a charm (zero loadavg). [] [] HTH, [] Viktor [] -- [] Viktor Rosenfeld [] WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/ [] Geek Code (3.1): [] GCS/SS d-@ s+: a20 C++@ UL++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o? K? []!W O? M? V? [] PS++@ PE+(-) Y+ P?(+++) t+ 5+ X- R? !tv b+ DI+ D- G e+++ []h-- r- !y+ [] [] [] [] -- [] To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [] [] [] -- [] To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] [] [] [] [] []
Re: FW: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? : i have been banned ?
El Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 09:30:35AM +0100, Joris Lambrecht dijo: -| i got this message ? what's that supposed to mean ? -| i'm boring you all to death and have been voted from this list ? -| -| actually, i've been receiving mail from this person for quite some time now, -| zapped it with the rest of non-related mails, not much of a proof left now : -| -( I also got quite strange messages from him. -| -| -| -| []-Original Message- -| []From: unix,inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -| []Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:24 AM -| []To: Joris Lambrecht -| []Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? -| [] -| [] -| []From now on, the mail from you is unnecessary. Please do not -| []send back out -| []it. -| [] -| [][EMAIL PROTECTED] -| []- Original Message - -| []From: Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] -| []To: 'Viktor Rosenfeld' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; -| [][EMAIL PROTECTED] -| []Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org -| []Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 5:07 PM -| []Subject: RE: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? -| [] -| [] -| [] to be honest, i think a 486 cannot catch up with that type -| []of CDRW, unless -| [] you add a local bus controller to it that supports some ATA -| []interface at -| [] 33/66/100 Mbps, otherwise burning could prove REAL slow/unreliable. -| [] -| [] -Original Message- -| [] From: Viktor Rosenfeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -| [] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:29 PM -| [] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -| [] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org -| [] Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? -| [] -| [] -| [] Hi, -| [] -| [] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -| [] -| [] I have an old, lonely 486 with 8 MB and want to use it for Linux. -| [] Is there any chance to use debian 2.2 on it. -| [] I read in the installation manual, that it needs 12 MB. -| [] -| [] As someone else already pointed out, that you can install -| []potato on a -| [] machine with 8MB RAM, but it's really painful. -| [] -| [] An alternative would be to do the actual install on a -| []faster machine to -| [] get a base system up and running and then stuffing the hard -| []drive into -| [] your 486. Running apt-get to add or delete stuff is fairly easy, -| [] although it will take some minutes, too. I installed my -| []firewall like -| [] that and it works like a charm (zero loadavg). -| [] -| [] HTH, -| [] Viktor -| [] -- -| [] Viktor Rosenfeld -| [] WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/ -| [] Geek Code (3.1): -| [] GCS/SS d-@ s+: a20 C++@ UL++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o? K? -| []!W O? M? V? -| [] PS++@ PE+(-) Y+ P?(+++) t+ 5+ X- R? !tv b+ DI+ D- G e+++ -| []h-- r- !y+ -| [] -| [] -| [] -| [] -- -| [] To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -| [] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact -| [] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -| [] -| [] -| [] -- -| [] To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -| [] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact -| [EMAIL PROTECTED] -| [] -| [] -| [] -| [] -| [] -| -| -| -- -| To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -| with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -| -- __ Daniel de los Reyes S2-Selling Soluciones Valencia Spain e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Debian GNU-Linux 2.2r2 __
Re: FW: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? : i have been banned ?
Quoting Joris Lambrecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): i got this message ? what's that supposed to mean ? i'm boring you all to death and have been voted from this list ? actually, i've been receiving mail from this person for quite some time now, zapped it with the rest of non-related mails, not much of a proof left now : -( []-Original Message- []From: unix,inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] []Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:24 AM []To: Joris Lambrecht []Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? [] [] []From now on, the mail from you is unnecessary. Please do not []send back out []it. This person may not understand why they're receiving debian-user, and so is just replying to random messages to express their displeasure. I got one which was all quotation, no new text added at all. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.
Re: FW: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? : i have been banned ?
Hello, David Wright wrote: []-Original Message- []From: unix,inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] []Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:24 AM []To: Joris Lambrecht []Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? [] [] []From now on, the mail from you is unnecessary. Please do not []send back out []it. This person may not understand why they're receiving debian-user, and so is just replying to random messages to express their displeasure. While I haven't yet received any such mail, I just hope, that it doesn't turn into get me off this f***ing list-nightmare, we just had a month ago. Cheers, Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/ Geek Code (3.1): GCS/SS d-@ s+: a20 C++@ UL++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o? K? !W O? M? V? PS++@ PE+(-) Y+ P?(+++) t+ 5+ X- R? !tv b+ DI+ D- G e+++ h-- r- !y+
RE: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ?
oops, guess i messed up some mails here then, must be a malfunction between my ears, happens, often, and so on ... don't have yr original mail anymore, can't verify what made me tripp -Original Message- From: Viktor Rosenfeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 1:49 PM To: Joris Lambrecht Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? Joris Lambrecht wrote: to be honest, i think a 486 cannot catch up with that type of CDRW, unless you add a local bus controller to it that supports some ATA interface at 33/66/100 Mbps, otherwise burning could prove REAL slow/unreliable. CDRW? ATA? Burning? Who was talking about burning CDs? Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/ Geek Code (3.1): GCS/SS d-@ s+: a20 C++@ UL++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o? K? !W O? M? V? PS++@ PE+(-) Y+ P?(+++) t+ 5+ X- R? !tv b+ DI+ D- G e+++ h-- r- !y+
Re: FW: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? : i have been banned ?
On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 02:12:09PM +0100, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: Hello, David Wright wrote: []-Original Message- []From: unix,inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] []Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:24 AM []To: Joris Lambrecht []Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? [] [] []From now on, the mail from you is unnecessary. Please do not []send back out []it. This person may not understand why they're receiving debian-user, and so is just replying to random messages to express their displeasure. While I haven't yet received any such mail, I just hope, that it doesn't turn into get me off this f***ing list-nightmare, we just had a month ago. I receive a message from this person each time I send a mail to the list. I contacted the list-master yesterday. kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of The Panther - R. M. Rilke
debian 2.2 with 8 meg ?
Hi! I have an old, lonely 486 with 8 MB and want to use it for Linux. Is there any chance to use debian 2.2 on it. I read in the installation manual, that it needs 12 MB. Thanks Thomas -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net
Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ?
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED], I have an old, lonely 486 with 8 MB and want to use it for Linux. Is there any chance to use debian 2.2 on it. I read in the installation manual, that it needs 12 MB. I've installed, and happily run, potato on a 486 with 8M of RAM (an old notebook, for which a ram upgrade is difficult). It works, but I hope you're a very patient man to survive the install. dselect and dpkg are woefull on low mem systems. Expect to wait an hour or more for the selection of files to come up in dselect. Expect dpkg to crash a few times whilst installing stuff. dpkg does seem to have a lowmem option (or something like that), which helps. It may be possible to force dselect to use it, but I don't know how (try man dselect?). In short, it worked for me. It runs fine when it finally gets going (I only use mine in text-mode), but I'd highly recomend compiling a much leaner kernel than the debian default. cheers, damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead
Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ?
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an old, lonely 486 with 8 MB and want to use it for Linux. Is there any chance to use debian 2.2 on it. I read in the installation manual, that it needs 12 MB. As someone else already pointed out, that you can install potato on a machine with 8MB RAM, but it's really painful. An alternative would be to do the actual install on a faster machine to get a base system up and running and then stuffing the hard drive into your 486. Running apt-get to add or delete stuff is fairly easy, although it will take some minutes, too. I installed my firewall like that and it works like a charm (zero loadavg). HTH, Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/ Geek Code (3.1): GCS/SS d-@ s+: a20 C++@ UL++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o? K? !W O? M? V? PS++@ PE+(-) Y+ P?(+++) t+ 5+ X- R? !tv b+ DI+ D- G e+++ h-- r- !y+
Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ?
- Original Message - From: Damon Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ? I've installed, and happily run, potato on a 486 with 8M of RAM (an old notebook, for which a ram upgrade is difficult). It works, but I hope you're a very patient man to survive the install. I have some old 386 30Mhz, 486 100Mhz machines with 4 MB of RAM and 50 - 100 MB of HDD with ethernet card, on which I would like to run Linux with X server (for X terminals). I know that that is difficult, but I have fast ethernet, so for HDD, the NFS would be a solution. But I also think that installing an older version of Debian would be much better (because I think that older versions of programs require less memory and CPU than newer versions), but I don't know if that is possible. Can I install perhaps Debian 1.0 by dselect from net? So, I would put InstallFloppy in,run computer, then run dselect (or apt-get) and instal Debian - is that realistic? Well, I hope it is. Any links about setting up X terminals? Thank you for all! Bye, Ales Jerman
Re: debian 2.2 with 8 meg ?
On Thursday 08 February 2001 12:41, Ales Jerman wrote: I have some old 386 30Mhz, 486 100Mhz machines with 4 MB of RAM and 50 - 100 MB of HDD with ethernet card, on which I would like to run Linux with X server (for X terminals). I know that that is difficult, but I have fast ethernet, so for HDD, the NFS would be a solution. But I also think that installing an older version of Debian would be much better (because I think that older versions of programs require less memory and CPU than newer versions), but I don't know if that is possible. Can I install perhaps Debian 1.0 by dselect from net? So, I would put InstallFloppy in,run computer, then run dselect (or apt-get) and instal Debian - is that realistic? Well, I hope it is. Any links about setting up X terminals? http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue27/kaszeta.html HTH Myles -- The rights and interests of the laboring man will be protected and cared for not by our labor agitators, but by the Christian men to whom God in his infinite wisdom has given control of property interests of the country, and upon the successful management of which so much remains. -- George F. Baer, railroad industrialist
