Re: AW: debian on old notebook
Chris Jenks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 09:52 PM 4/8/02, Bud Rogers wrote: > >On Monday 08 April 2002 14:29 pm, Mr. Jan Hearthstone wrote: > > > > > Hearthstone: > > > Where does one get laptops as cheap as that? ($10.-??, > > > $30.-?). > > > >Could you share a URL? I tried google, got a bunch of hits that didn't > >seem to fit. > > I've seen them at computer shows for about $40.00. But I have enough > laptops floating around the house that never bought them. You can find > them. Try ebay and go to computer shows. If your at a show, feel free > to haggle. In my case, I walked into a Computer Store that specializes in laptops and asked the dealer if they had any old laptops for about $20. He went into the back of the store and was like, "Sure, you can have this one for $30." Elizabeth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: debian on old notebook
At 09:52 PM 4/8/02, Bud Rogers wrote: On Monday 08 April 2002 14:29 pm, Mr. Jan Hearthstone wrote: > Hearthstone: > Where does one get laptops as cheap as that? ($10.-??, > $30.-?). Could you share a URL? I tried google, got a bunch of hits that didn't seem to fit. I've seen them at computer shows for about $40.00. But I have enough laptops floating around the house that never bought them. You can find them. Try ebay and go to computer shows. If your at a show, feel free to haggle. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: debian on old notebook
On Monday 08 April 2002 14:29 pm, Mr. Jan Hearthstone wrote: > Hearthstone: > Where does one get laptops as cheap as that? ($10.-??, > $30.-?). Could you share a URL? I tried google, got a bunch of hits that didn't seem to fit. -- Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.sirinet.net/~budr All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: debian on old notebook
--- Elizabeth Barham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's a good idea but you might consider > upgrading the > laptop. I bought a 486sx 33Mhz for ~ $30US (200M > HDD) a year ago and > ran djgpp on it for a long time (I was on the road a > lot). Eventually > I installed a 16MB card, 2.1GB HDD, an ethernet card > and linux and now > it's my (test) LDAP Server. > > I'm satisfied with it mostly because it's a laptop - > that is, I can > take it with me easily. While it's not the quickest > machine around, > it's still nice and I consider the $30 I spent on it > (and the extras > for upgrades) worth it. When I'm away from my main > machines I'm able > to code on it which is pretty nice. > > Elizabeth > > PS - the upgrades were via eBay. Hearthstone: Where does one get laptops as cheap as that? ($10.-??, $30.-?). Thnx, H.S. > > > > I have few question. Most of time I'm at college > and twice a months > > > I go home for a weekend. I dont have computer at > home, and sometimes > > > I need to continue at my work (coding and > writing articles in VIM). > > >=20 > > > I'd like to buy some old notebook and install > Debian on in. > > > Right now I can buy i486 at 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, > 500MB HDD > > > for $10 US dolars. > > >=20 > > > Is it good idea to try install Debian on it? Is > it possible with 8MB = > > of > > > RAM? > > >=20 > > > I need it just for VIM writting, man pages > displaying, and Lynx = > > offline > > > browsing. > > >=20 > > > What could be the way to install Debian? I'm > thinking that easist way > > > is to connect notebook with my computer with > parallel cable and > > > install from internet. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Or should I forget it and save $10? > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = A penny more. Should we, the people, be sincere about wanting a real peace on Earth, we would spend at least a penny more on active promotion of peace, than what we spend on the military. Anon. Modelling the Future http://homepages.about.com/hearthstone/ecosuscom.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: debian on old notebook
I think it's a good idea but you might consider upgrading the laptop. I bought a 486sx 33Mhz for ~ $30US (200M HDD) a year ago and ran djgpp on it for a long time (I was on the road a lot). Eventually I installed a 16MB card, 2.1GB HDD, an ethernet card and linux and now it's my (test) LDAP Server. I'm satisfied with it mostly because it's a laptop - that is, I can take it with me easily. While it's not the quickest machine around, it's still nice and I consider the $30 I spent on it (and the extras for upgrades) worth it. When I'm away from my main machines I'm able to code on it which is pretty nice. Elizabeth PS - the upgrades were via eBay. > > I have few question. Most of time I'm at college and twice a months > > I go home for a weekend. I dont have computer at home, and sometimes > > I need to continue at my work (coding and writing articles in VIM). > >=20 > > I'd like to buy some old notebook and install Debian on in. > > Right now I can buy i486 at 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, 500MB HDD > > for $10 US dolars. > >=20 > > Is it good idea to try install Debian on it? Is it possible with 8MB = > of > > RAM? > >=20 > > I need it just for VIM writting, man pages displaying, and Lynx = > offline > > browsing. > >=20 > > What could be the way to install Debian? I'm thinking that easist way > > is to connect notebook with my computer with parallel cable and > > install from internet. > >=20 > >=20 > > Or should I forget it and save $10? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AW: debian on old notebook
I would suggest: * Debian 2.0 * textbased webbrowser ... links (made in .cz) * xwindow manager ... wm2 * use in addition a totally shrinked down kernel (<400k) to save RAM * good link http://ldp.atnet.at/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops.html Regards Dieter > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Mirek Dobsicek [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet am: Freitag, 5. April 2002 19:05 > An: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Betreff: debian on old notebook > > Hi all, > > I have few question. Most of time I'm at college and twice a months > I go home for a weekend. I dont have computer at home, and sometimes > I need to continue at my work (coding and writing articles in VIM). > > I'd like to buy some old notebook and install Debian on in. > Right now I can buy i486 at 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, 500MB HDD > for $10 US dolars. > > Is it good idea to try install Debian on it? Is it possible with 8MB of > RAM? > > I need it just for VIM writting, man pages displaying, and Lynx offline > browsing. > > What could be the way to install Debian? I'm thinking that easist way > is to connect notebook with my computer with parallel cable and > install from internet. > > > Or should I forget it and save $10? > > > Please share your opinion, sincerely Mirek > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on old notebook
begin quoting what Karsten M. Self said on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:46:43AM -0800: > > - Thinkpad P-133 64 MiB 2GB: networking is borked, Debian > half-installed, no data. Hardware's nice. BIOS config is Legacy MS > Windows only. BIOS config stuff should work on a Legacy DR-OpenDOS partition. Having one of those will also let you make "suspend to disk" work, with some caveats. If that's a 760, email me off-list if you get stuck. (Typing this on the keyboard of my 760EL running Debian as we speak.) > That said, a second-hand IBM Thinkpad could be a dream -- damned solid > systems. A-freakin'-men. Preach on, brother. I don't see how anybody gets any work done with those damn touchpads. P.S. "email me privately off list" offer open only to Karsten M. Self. Void Where Prohibited. No, really, go void where prohibited right now. pgpBqBICYZBWr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian on old notebook
> That is too much money for a very old laptop. I just picked up a p100 with > 1.2GB HD and 40MB RAM. This is terribly slow, but usable in light x duty. > You might consider searching around for a pentium or better for your $100. > Ebay is a good place to start if you don't have a good computer recycling > resaler near you. > note his email address is a .cz domain. I made the assumption that the cost in that area was sensible. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on old notebook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 April 2002 10:49 am, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > i486 at 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, 500MB HDD >ooop, mistake, right prize is $100 > > Right now this notebook luckly run W95(really good usable), so I hope it > > can run few consoles at good speed. > > just consoles and just text editing (not write code, compile, debug) you > should be fine. Mirek: That is too much money for a very old laptop. I just picked up a p100 with 1.2GB HD and 40MB RAM. This is terribly slow, but usable in light x duty. You might consider searching around for a pentium or better for your $100. Ebay is a good place to start if you don't have a good computer recycling resaler near you. Good luck tatah - -- Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls\/A GNU-Debian linux user\/ http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. I SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8rizpZHBxKsta6kMRApsOAKCDjNOD6yjhBCjLvGVyaUzyimEb7wCeLHvV AC0OF3tR6Iv5uXTsDKh3e2k= =xd85 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on old notebook
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 07:04:52PM +0200, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: >Hi all, > >I have few question. Most of time I'm at college and twice a months >I go home for a weekend. I dont have computer at home, and sometimes >I need to continue at my work (coding and writing articles in VIM). > >I'd like to buy some old notebook and install Debian on in. >Right now I can buy i486 at 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, 500MB HDD >for $10 US dolars. OK. Buy a Linux compliant PCMCIA network card. You will grow old and die if you try living with a parallel cable connection. > >Is it good idea to try install Debian on it? Is it possible with 8MB of RAM? > Yes. In fact, you can do it comfortably on 4MB. The only concern is X Windows - I have a very good .twmrc if you want X. It replicates the win95 task bar so task switching is real easy. Also, use aterm instead of xterm. It has more functionality but uses less resources...he difference is tiny on most amchines but on that notebook you won't want to waste resources. >I need it just for VIM writting, man pages displaying, and Lynx offline >browsing. > If you use X, check out dillo for browsing...its a lot more comfortable than lynx though less sophisticated. >What could be the way to install Debian? I'm thinking that easist way >is to connect notebook with my computer with parallel cable and >install from internet. > > Install from floppies. OK it takes ages but you are going to be in front of the machine for ages installing in any case. How hard is it to keep feeding it floppies while sitting there installing? >Or should I forget it and save $10? > > There's a useful tip on running apps on a powerful box but having the display on another at http://hints.linuxfromscratch.org. Anyway, what's $10 compared to being able to say that real men make old notebooks last forever and nvidia cards are just for wusses :-() -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on old notebook
on Fri, Apr 05, 2002, Mirek Dobsicek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi all, > > I have few question. Most of time I'm at college and twice a months > I go home for a weekend. I dont have computer at home, and sometimes > I need to continue at my work (coding and writing articles in VIM). > > I'd like to buy some old notebook and install Debian on in. > Right now I can buy i486 at 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, 500MB HDD > for $10 US dolars. > > Is it good idea to try install Debian on it? Is it possible with 8MB of RAM? You've updated the price to US$100. $10 would be a fair value for the system. $100 is wildly overpriced. I've had systems like this given to me, and they're barely worth the hassles they provide. I'm currently playing with some older hardware and have Debian installed on: - Thinkpad P-133 64 MiB 2GB: networking is borked, Debian half-installed, no data. Hardware's nice. BIOS config is Legacy MS Windows only. - P-166 64 MiB 4GiB: works well as an emergency graphics terminal at the colo. Tends to run unattended, which it won't do without powering down after a time. - Hitachi 486 DX 66MHz 12 MiB 500 MiB: staggers along. It's cute, and works reasonably well as a console-only system. With 12 MiB free RAM, it can't run an apt-get dist-upgrade without segfaulting. I'd push for 16 MiB minimum, 32-64 MiB far preferred. Note that old laptop memory may be available, but it's not terribly cheap. Runs lid-down w/o hibernating. For the price you're looking at, you should be able to get a PII laptop system minimum. Better might be to cobble together a desktop system -- for $100 you're looking at a PII/III 200 - 400 MHz system, 96-128 MiB RAM, 6-10 GiB HD, working graphics, sound, network, and modem, and a decent, if used, 15"-17" monitor. Many companies are throwing things like this out -- get creative. For older notebooks/laptops, the main problem is nonstandard components and configurations -- BIOS access (often only through Legacy MS Windows utilities), memory, CPU, sometimes power ports and the like. Newer hardware, say the last couple of years, is rather more standard. That said, a second-hand IBM Thinkpad could be a dream -- damned solid systems. Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Sick of mal-formed websites? Use a stylesheet to override poor design: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Download/userContent.css pgpIrFwvFyqv7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian on old notebook
> > Right now this notebook luckly run W95(really good usable), so I hope it > can run few consoles at good speed. > just consoles and just text editing (not write code, compile, debug) you should be fine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on old notebook
>>Or should I forget it and save $10? ooop, mistake, right prize is $100 You will find the machine extremely slow, compiling anything will take forever. Kernel compiles in about a day on one of those. Sure you won't be doing it, but I just wanted to show you the whole situation. If you can spend enough to get a low end pentium you would be a lot happier. Right now this notebook luckly run W95(really good usable), so I hope it can run few consoles at good speed. Mirek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on old notebook
On 05-Apr-2002 Mirek Dobsicek wrote: > Hi all, > > I have few question. Most of time I'm at college and twice a months > I go home for a weekend. I dont have computer at home, and sometimes > I need to continue at my work (coding and writing articles in VIM). > > I'd like to buy some old notebook and install Debian on in. > Right now I can buy i486 at 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, 500MB HDD > for $10 US dolars. > > Is it good idea to try install Debian on it? Is it possible with 8MB of RAM? > > I need it just for VIM writting, man pages displaying, and Lynx offline > browsing. > > What could be the way to install Debian? I'm thinking that easist way > is to connect notebook with my computer with parallel cable and > install from internet. > > > Or should I forget it and save $10? > You will find the machine extremely slow, compiling anything will take forever. Kernel compiles in about a day on one of those. Sure you won't be doing it, but I just wanted to show you the whole situation. If you can spend enough to get a low end pentium you would be a lot happier. As for the install, you will likely have to do the floppy shuffle to get sufficiently far into the install to then use some form of network. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian on old notebook
Hi all, I have few question. Most of time I'm at college and twice a months I go home for a weekend. I dont have computer at home, and sometimes I need to continue at my work (coding and writing articles in VIM). I'd like to buy some old notebook and install Debian on in. Right now I can buy i486 at 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, 500MB HDD for $10 US dolars. Is it good idea to try install Debian on it? Is it possible with 8MB of RAM? I need it just for VIM writting, man pages displaying, and Lynx offline browsing. What could be the way to install Debian? I'm thinking that easist way is to connect notebook with my computer with parallel cable and install from internet. Or should I forget it and save $10? Please share your opinion, sincerely Mirek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
