Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On 11/15/2015 05:05 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
On Sun, November 15, 2015 3:46 pm, Ric Moore wrote:
Mine says "Generic 105 (intl) PC" for keyboard model and "English (US)"
for layout. Hope that helps. That is the "system default" setting used at
install time. Ric
In my previous posting, I neglected to tack on " -> +add" at the tail.
But guess what? In response to:
applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout -> +add
I was not simply selecting English (US); rather, I clicked on the EXPAND
symbol (">") and that displayed a list of variants, none of which is
simply "English (US)".
Mystery solved (at least in part). Thanks, Ric.
When troubleshooting with a shotgun, something will get hit! :) Ric
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Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > On Sun, November 15, 2015 12:00 pm, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > As I don't run a desktop (window manager only -- Openbox) on my very > > custom installed Wheezy 64-bit system, I can't follow your menu > > request, but 'debconf-show keyboard-configuration' reports: > > Thanks for introducing me to debconf-show. One of the best parts > about the list is that it calls attention to such useful but > generally-unknown tools. A wealth of information awaits by following-up on the "SEE ALSO" section of every man page. B
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On Sunday 15 November 2015 21:46:23 Ric Moore wrote: > On 11/15/2015 04:34 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > > On Sun, November 15, 2015 2:10 pm, David Christensen wrote: > >> I just did a fresh install of debian-8.2.0-amd64-xfce yesterday: > >> > >> Keyboard model Generic 105-key (Intl) PC > > > > Obviously, the keyboard settings menu (reached from xfce by > > > > applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout > > > > has its own layout nomenclature. The only "English (US, ...)" selections > > which the menu on my system (i386, Jessie, Xfce) offers are: > > > > English (US, international with dead keys) This one appears to be the "normal" "standard" US international. Dead keys on various keyboard layouts[edit] Main article: Keyboard layout A key may function as a dead key by default, and many non-English keyboard layouts in particular have dead keys directly on the keyboard. The basic US keyboard does not have any dead keys, but the US-International keyboard layout, available on Windows and the X Window System, places some dead keys directly on similar-looking punctuation marks. Old computer systems, such as the MSX, often had a special key labeled dead key, which in combination with the Ctrl and Shift keys could be used to add some of the diacritics commonly needed in the Western European languages (´, `, ˆ and ¨) to vowels that were typed subsequently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_key https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=English+(US,+international+with+dead+keys), +layout&es_sm=93&biw=1156&bih=835&tbm=isch&imgil=0nPw4DKeEA8BAM%253A%253BKCWVRBoNfdDbvM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fapple.stackexchange.com%25252Fquestions%25252F30262%25252Fus-international-altgr-dead-keys-layout-on-mac-os-x&source=iu&pf=m&fir=0nPw4DKeEA8BAM%253A%252CKCWVRBoNfdDbvM%252C_&usg=__7-YA249zdN0UqeYtD4catm2jDSU%3D&ved=0CCgQyjdqFQoTCIesnKS4k8kCFcRaGgodWzEJMA&ei=HQJJVsepIMS1advipIAD#imgrc=VPY-rIKk-acQWM%3A&usg=__7-YA249zdN0UqeYtD4catm2jDSU%3D Lisi > > English (US, with euro on 5) > > > > none of which look familiar to me. So I wondered whether I had managed > > to delete whatever is the default English US layout. > > > > What I would like to know is the "English (US...)" options which the > > keyboard settings menu offers if the menu has not been used to switch > > from the default English US layout to some other layout. > > Mine says "Generic 105 (intl) PC" for keyboard model and "English (US)" > for layout. Hope that helps. That is the "system default" setting used > at install time. Ric
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On Sun, November 15, 2015 3:46 pm, Ric Moore wrote:
> Mine says "Generic 105 (intl) PC" for keyboard model and "English (US)"
> for layout. Hope that helps. That is the "system default" setting used at
> install time. Ric
In my previous posting, I neglected to tack on " -> +add" at the tail.
But guess what? In response to:
applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout -> +add
I was not simply selecting English (US); rather, I clicked on the EXPAND
symbol (">") and that displayed a list of variants, none of which is
simply "English (US)".
Mystery solved (at least in part). Thanks, Ric.
Russ
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On 11/15/2015 04:34 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sun, November 15, 2015 2:10 pm, David Christensen wrote: I just did a fresh install of debian-8.2.0-amd64-xfce yesterday: Keyboard model Generic 105-key (Intl) PC Obviously, the keyboard settings menu (reached from xfce by applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout has its own layout nomenclature. The only "English (US, ...)" selections which the menu on my system (i386, Jessie, Xfce) offers are: English (US, alternative international) English (US, international with dead keys) English (US, with euro on 5) none of which look familiar to me. So I wondered whether I had managed to delete whatever is the default English US layout. What I would like to know is the "English (US...)" options which the keyboard settings menu offers if the menu has not been used to switch from the default English US layout to some other layout. Mine says "Generic 105 (intl) PC" for keyboard model and "English (US)" for layout. Hope that helps. That is the "system default" setting used at install time. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On Sun, November 15, 2015 2:10 pm, David Christensen wrote: > I just did a fresh install of debian-8.2.0-amd64-xfce yesterday: > > Keyboard modelGeneric 105-key (Intl) PC Obviously, the keyboard settings menu (reached from xfce by applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout has its own layout nomenclature. The only "English (US, ...)" selections which the menu on my system (i386, Jessie, Xfce) offers are: English (US, alternative international) English (US, international with dead keys) English (US, with euro on 5) none of which look familiar to me. So I wondered whether I had managed to delete whatever is the default English US layout. What I would like to know is the "English (US...)" options which the keyboard settings menu offers if the menu has not been used to switch from the default English US layout to some other layout. Russ
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On 11/15/2015 03:10 PM, David Christensen wrote: On 11/14/2015 09:01 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Would some kindly soul who is a English (US) QWERTY user and who is running Jessie on an i386 system follow the path: applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout and tell me which is the default English (US) layout which is selected by the installer? I get "English US" using AMD64 - Stretch. Dunno if that is different on i386. -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On 11/14/2015 09:01 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Would some kindly soul who is a English (US) QWERTY user and who is running Jessie on an i386 system follow the path: applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout and tell me which is the default English (US) layout which is selected by the installer? I just did a fresh install of debian-8.2.0-amd64-xfce yesterday: Keyboard model Generic 105-key (Intl) PC David
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On Sun, November 15, 2015 12:00 pm, Patrick Bartek wrote: > As I don't run a desktop (window manager only -- Openbox) on my very > custom installed Wheezy 64-bit system, I can't follow your menu request, > but 'debconf-show keyboard-configuration' reports: Thanks for introducing me to debconf-show. One of the best parts about the list is that it calls attention to such useful but generally-unknown tools. Russ
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > Would some kindly soul who is a English (US) QWERTY user and who is > running Jessie on an i386 system follow the path: > > applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout > > and tell me which is the default English (US) layout which is > selected by the installer? > > I routinely switch to "classic Dvorak" immediately after installing > and delete the default layout. > > But now I need to switch over a machine for a friend who knows only > QWERTY. As I don't run a desktop (window manager only -- Openbox) on my very custom installed Wheezy 64-bit system, I can't follow your menu request, but 'debconf-show keyboard-configuration' reports: * keyboard-configuration/modelcode: pc105 keyboard-configuration/unsupported_config_options: true keyboard-configuration/unsupported_config_layout: true * keyboard-configuration/toggle: No toggling * keyboard-configuration/compose: No compose key * keyboard-configuration/layout: * keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap: us * keyboard-configuration/variant: English (US) debian-installer/console-setup-udeb/title: * keyboard-configuration/switch: No temporary switch keyboard-configuration/unsupported_options: true * keyboard-configuration/altgr: The default for the keyboard layout keyboard-configuration/ctrl_alt_bksp: false keyboard-configuration/unsupported_layout: true * keyboard-configuration/variantcode: * keyboard-configuration/model: Generic 105-key (Intl) PC * keyboard-configuration/layoutcode: us * keyboard-configuration/other: * keyboard-configuration/store_defaults_in_debconf_db: true * keyboard-configuration/optionscode: This was the keyboard type the installer picked when I installed Wheezy. I saw reason to change it. The keyboard itself is a Kensington Keyboard for Life that has to be at least 6 years old, and I've been using it on this system I build about 9 years ago which has gone through numerous hardware upgrades and OSes in those 9 years. B
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On Sun, November 15, 2015 12:20 am, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > I'm in (debootstrapped) Sid Unstable on AMD64, but I played along > anyway. Mine's default is: > > Model: Generic 105-key (Intl) PC > Layout: English (US) > > That's on an ASUS 1015px'y Eee PC.. :) Thanks. The only "English (US, ...)" selections which the keyboard settings menu offers are: English (US, alternative international) English (US, international with dead keys) English (US, with euro on 5) I expected to see something a bit more familiar, but I suppose that the safest choice is the last. The next time I install Debian, I shall try to remember to make a note of the default QWERTY layout before I delete it. Russ
Re: default English (US) QWERTY layout
On 11/15/15, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > Would some kindly soul who is a English (US) QWERTY user and who is > running Jessie on an i386 system follow the path: > > applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout > > and tell me which is the default English (US) layout which is selected by > the installer? I'm in (debootstrapped) Sid Unstable on AMD64, but I played along anyway. Mine's default is: Model: Generic 105-key (Intl) PC Layout: English (US) That's on an ASUS 1015px'y Eee PC.. :) It's been a few weeks since I last debootstrapped this thing, but something already wasn't gelling in my head about it. Checked my notes and apparently that is the default. It didn't look right with the system having it checkmarked/toggled as being default because it *seemed like* I had manually set that... or something. I must just breeze on through it during the "console-setup" install part of debootstrap... or something. :) Just for kicks am leaving a note here that "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" is a step available in a very minimal setup and via the terminal. :) For even bigger kicks, I just reset my keyboard model to Asus, go figure. Wandering off now wondering if I haven't just sunk my own battleship.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks *
default English (US) QWERTY layout
Would some kindly soul who is a English (US) QWERTY user and who is running Jessie on an i386 system follow the path: applications -> setting -> keyboard -> layout and tell me which is the default English (US) layout which is selected by the installer? I routinely switch to "classic Dvorak" immediately after installing and delete the default layout. But now I need to switch over a machine for a friend who knows only QWERTY. Thanks, Russ
