Re: default MTA
On 2009-02-23 09:41 +0100, Ken Perl wrote: > What's the reason to choose exim as the default MTA instead of the > others like courier or postfix, etc? Mainly historical, I think. Exim has been the default MTA since 1998 or so, and there are no compelling reasons to switch to another. There is more information about this topic on http://wiki.debian.org/DefaultMTA. Sven, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Hi, What's the reason to choose exim as the default MTA instead of the others like courier or postfix, etc? -- perl -e 'print unpack(u,"62V5N\"FME;G\!E
Re: default MTA
Am 2006-03-12 11:50:08, schrieb Steve Lamb: > Personally I'd like to see Debian look into using something lighter like > nullmailer as the default; IE something to satisfy the "forward to a > smart host" requirement without also requiring a full bore MTA to be > installed. Those who would need a full bore MTA would have the option > of installing the MTA of their choice. Right, I am using on ALL of my machines "ssmtp" which works perfectly. > Don't get me wrong, I am an Exim user and will be for the forseeable > future. I have nothing against Exim I just don't think that Exim is the > best choice for providing that functionality. On my BIG FileServer I have installed the courier suite and respectivly "courier-mta" as outgoing MTA to my ISP. Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: default MTA
Chris Lale said: > Artem Zolochevskiy wrote: >> What will be the default MTA in etch? exim, postfix? > Exim4 on my installation. Personally I'd like to see Debian look into using something lighter like nullmailer as the default; IE something to satisfy the "forward to a smart host" requirement without also requiring a full bore MTA to be installed. Those who would need a full bore MTA would have the option of installing the MTA of their choice. Don't get me wrong, I am an Exim user and will be for the forseeable future. I have nothing against Exim I just don't think that Exim is the best choice for providing that functionality. -- Steve Lamb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: default MTA
Artem Zolochevskiy wrote: hi all What will be the default MTA in etch? exim, postfix? -- Artem Zolochevskiy Exim4 on my installation. Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: default MTA
On (12/03/06 11:01), Artem Zolochevskiy wrote: > What will be the default MTA in etch? exim, postfix? I don't run etch but sarge and sid have exim4 as default; I would guess etch is the same. Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi all What will be the default MTA in etch? exim, postfix? -- Artem Zolochevskiy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why did Debian bundle exim instead of postfix or sendmail as the Default MTA?
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: I'm not sure that postfix does have license issues: I tend to apt-get install postfix && apt-get remove exim as one of my configuration steps You could change "remove" to "purge" if you're not going to ever need the exim4 configuration files. ;-) Nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why did Debian bundle exim instead of postfix or sendmail as the Default MTA?
On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 10:48:05AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > I'm not sure that postfix does have license issues: I tend to apt-get I have seen some people express concerns over the IPL [1]. Whether or not that has any bearing upon why Exim is the default MTA I don't know, but it's possible I suppose. > install postfix && apt-get remove exim as one of my configuration steps > - you don't want to remove all MTA's at a stroke :) - but that's > personal preference. Certainly the author is well respected and knows > how to write good code. Agreed. In any case, one of the great things about Debian (and Linux in general) is the vast amount of choices that we have. If we don't want to use the default mailer, we don't have to. -- [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/05/msg00597.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why did Debian bundle exim instead of postfix or sendmail as the Default MTA?
Steve Lamb wrote: > TAC Forums wrote: >> Does anyone know why Debian bundled EXIM instead of Postfix or >> Sendmail as the default MTA? > > Because, IIRC, at the time Sendmail wasn't considered secure (security > audit still in process) & postfix too new. Exim was a stable, well-known and > tested MTA. > > However the best answer is that you check the archives. The choice was > made close to a decade ago so very few people reading D-U currently will have > participated in the discussion and fewer still are likely to remember it. > I guess much hasn't changed in a decade with regard to MTAs. -- Scott www.angrykeyboarder.com © 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved
Re: Why did Debian bundle exim instead of postfix or sendmail as the Default MTA?
TAC Forums wrote: > Does anyone know why Debian bundled EXIM instead of Postfix or > Sendmail as the default MTA? Because, IIRC, at the time Sendmail wasn't considered secure (security audit still in process) & postfix too new. Exim was a stable, well-known and tested MTA. However the best answer is that you check the archives. The choice was made close to a decade ago so very few people reading D-U currently will have participated in the discussion and fewer still are likely to remember it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why did Debian bundle exim instead of postfix or sendmail as the Default MTA?
On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 03:24:31AM -0500, Edward Shornock wrote: > On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 11:02:03AM +0530, TAC Forums wrote: > > Hi > > > > Does anyone know why Debian bundled EXIM instead of Postfix or > > Sendmail as the default MTA? > > I don't know for sure but it could be because: > * Exim is easy to configure > * Postfix' license may be too restrictive for some > * Many people consider sendmail to be too complex to set up, and don't > use it because of all of the security problems that it used to have. > > In order, it's been: smail (small, Sendmail alike). exim (a.k.a. exim3) exim4 I can't remember what was before smail, if any. Exim is relatively easy to configure: exim4 harder to understand for me. Exim is only widely used in the Debian Project and University of Cambridge AFAIK - but it's well written and well maintained and there is now good documentation. I'm not sure that postfix does have license issues: I tend to apt-get install postfix && apt-get remove exim as one of my configuration steps - you don't want to remove all MTA's at a stroke :) - but that's personal preference. Certainly the author is well respected and knows how to write good code. Sendmail - the story goes that compiling the proper syntax for a .cf file requires a lot of hitting your head on the keyboard in frustration at the complexity - glances at a well configured .cf file reveal that this may have been the most efficient configuration method :) In the end, MTA choice can lead to religious wars - but there is at least a good choice in Debian :) All IMHO Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why did Debian bundle exim instead of postfix or sendmail as the Default MTA?
TAC Forums wrote: > Does anyone know why Debian bundled EXIM instead of Postfix or > Sendmail as the default MTA? It's flexible, secure, has a straightforward configuration and the Debian developer for the package went out of their way to make it newbie approachable. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why did Debian bundle exim instead of postfix or sendmail as the Default MTA?
On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 11:02:03AM +0530, TAC Forums wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know why Debian bundled EXIM instead of Postfix or > Sendmail as the default MTA? I don't know for sure but it could be because: * Exim is easy to configure * Postfix' license may be too restrictive for some * Many people consider sendmail to be too complex to set up, and don't use it because of all of the security problems that it used to have. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Why did Debian bundle exim instead of postfix or sendmail as the Default MTA?
Hi Does anyone know why Debian bundled EXIM instead of Postfix or Sendmail as the default MTA? Regards -- TAC Support Team
Re: Future Debian default MTA?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:51:35PM +0100, Mark C wrote: > I'm in the middle of planning a rebuild of a new mailserver, currently I'm > running sendmail, purly because its setup and works, yet I'm becomming > increasingly more fedup with exploits in sendmail and I'm looking at > replacing it with eith exim or postfix. If you're running sid or sarge, go with exim4, if you're on woody, go with exim. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Kl2uJ5vLSqVpK2kRAnjWAKCWoosjZSh6mKG0RCP40afu6qUEpQCglU8W zTldLlJn2xfnG7VrDQVttSE= =nZEG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Future Debian default MTA?
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:20, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > They'll all still > be available and well integrated with the rest of the OS. Thanks, for the advice, I'll give postfix a try, as it seems fairly easy to setup /me lazy Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Future Debian default MTA?
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:51:35PM +0100, Mark C wrote: > Will or would either of these be removed or replaced in the forseable > future of debian versions? Neither is going to be removed from the Debian archive as long as somebody is willing to maintain them. I have no doubt that they will receive the necessary attention from the Debian developer community. There was talk on debian-devel recently about which mailer would be the *default* on sarge (Debian 3.1 or whatever number it ends up getting), but that really doesn't need to affect your decision. They'll all still be available and well integrated with the rest of the OS. noah -- ___ | The economy is looking bad, let's start another war. |--Dead Kennedys | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Future Debian default MTA?
Hi, I'm in the middle of planning a rebuild of a new mailserver, currently I'm running sendmail, purly because its setup and works, yet I'm becomming increasingly more fedup with exploits in sendmail and I'm looking at replacing it with eith exim or postfix. I have read the pros and cons of both and assesed the different security alerts in both, as I would like to install either one, that will be compatable in future debian versions, Will or would either of these be removed or replaced in the forseable future of debian versions? Thanks Mark -- To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism, to steal ideas from many is research. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian's default MTA + MDA
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:52:40PM +1000, Andrew Nesbit wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > > It's exim. The only way to find this out is really to look through the > > list of MTAs (that is, packages providing mail-transport-agent) and see > > which one has the highest priority. (exim is 'Priority: important'; the > > priorities are required, important, standard, optional, and extra.) > > Where can I actually find this priority information? I had a look in the > lists of packages on the Debian website, but couldn't find it. It's not very convenient to find. Once you have Debian installed, 'dpkg -p ' will tell you, or they'll be displayed in categories in dselect. Beforehand, the easiest way is probably to look at the Packages file on the FTP site (say, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages) and look for the information there. You'll see blocks like: Package: dpkg [...] Priority: required [...] For what it's worth, the required/important/standard packages in stable for i386 are currently: required: adduser ae base-files base-passwd bash bsdutils console-data console-tools console-tools-libs debianutils diff dpkg e2fsprogs fileutils findutils grep gzip hostname ldso libc6 libgdbmg1 libncurses5 libpam-modules libpam-runtime libpam0g libreadline4 libstdc++2.10 login makedev mawk mbr modutils mount ncurses-base ncurses-bin passwd perl-5.005-base perl-base procps sed setserial shellutils slang1 sysklogd sysvinit tar textutils update util-linux important: at bc bsdmainutils cpio cron dc ed exim groff info libident libncurses4 libopenldap-runtime libopenldap1 libpcre2 libpopt0 lilo lockfile-progs logrotate mailx man-db manpages nvi perl-5.005 whois standard: apt biff bin86 binutils bison cpp debian-policy dnsutils doc-debian doc-linux-text dpkg-dev dpkg-ftp dpkg-perl emacs20 emacsen-common fdflush file finger fingerd flex ftp g++ gcc gdb gettext-base gpm iamerican ibritish ispell less libc6-dev liblockfile1 libnet-perl libpng2 libstdc++2.10-dev libwrap0 locales lpr lsof-2.2 lynx m4 make manpages-dev mime-support mpack mtools mutt ncurses-term netbase nfs-common nfs-server patch perl-5.005-doc perl-5.005-suid pidentd ppp procmail rcs sharutils strace talk talkd tcpd tcsh tcsh-i18n telnet telnetd tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-lib texinfo time wenglish xfree86-common xlib6g zlib1g Things change a bit from release to release. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to change the default mta?
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 07:29:29PM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote: > i have debian2.2r0 and using exim. how can i change the default mta > to postfix? i will be installing postfix from sources and doing "dpkg > -r exim" won't allow me to remove exim. If you're OK with building postfix from the Debianized source, you can use apt to manage it just like any other package. The dependency system then knows what's going on and all is good. If you don't want to use the Debian source, you'll need to install the equivs package. equivs will allow you to create a my-postfix pseudopackage which provides mta (and whatever else), thus allowing you to remove exim. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license
Re: how to change the default mta?
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 07:29:29PM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote: > i have debian2.2r0 and using exim. how can i change the default mta > to postfix? i will be installing postfix from sources and doing "dpkg > -r exim" won't allow me to remove exim. just do dpkg -i postfix*, exim will be removed automatically > > -- > "In is out and out is in. But out is out and in is in." > -- Pumbaa rgds, martin -- --- "Only dead fish swims with a stream" Malcolm Muggeridge gpg_key_available: http://globales.cz/~mman/martin.man.gpg gpg_key_fingerprint: 2CC0 4AF6 92DA 5CBF 5F09 7BCB 6202 7024 6E06 0223
how to change the default mta?
i have debian2.2r0 and using exim. how can i change the default mta to postfix? i will be installing postfix from sources and doing "dpkg -r exim" won't allow me to remove exim. -- "In is out and out is in. But out is out and in is in." -- Pumbaa pgpkyI1gqpLnN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian's default MTA + MDA
> > Hello. I am still preparing to install Debian, but I am not sure of > > what the default MTA is. I get the impression that it is exim, but I > > have not been able to find any definitive answer anywhere in the > > Debian Documentation Project. How is one supposed to find out this > > sort of information? > > It's exim. The only way to find this out is really to look through the > list of MTAs (that is, packages providing mail-transport-agent) and see > which one has the highest priority. (exim is 'Priority: important'; the > priorities are required, important, standard, optional, and extra.) Where can I actually find this priority information? I had a look in the lists of packages on the Debian website, but couldn't find it. -Andrew
Re: Debian's default MTA + MDA
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:06:01PM -0400, dman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 10:38:58AM +1000, Andrew Nesbit wrote: > | Hello. I am still preparing to install Debian, but I am not sure of what the > | default MTA is. I get the impression that it is exim, > Hmm, ... default ... I guess whatever dselect or tasksel or whatever > part of the install system picks something is the default. ...which is exim. > exim is fairly easy to configure for > "normal" systems by using eximconfig. eximconfig also generates a well-commented config file, so editing it manually to accomodate less-standard configurations is pretty easy. > | And another thing: what is the default MDA? (Does exim function as its own > | MDA?) > > Most (all?) full-fledged MTAs can function as an MDA as well. I know > for a fact that exim and sendmail can both deliver mail to a user's > inbox (which is MDA functionality). exim's MDA functionality is a bit more extensive than sendmail's... I no longer install procmail on machines that I set up, because I haven't yet run into anything that procmail can do and exim can't. (Of course, now that I've said that, I fully expect procmail's fans to make a list...) And, like the config file, exim filter definitions are human-readable. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license
Re: Debian's default MTA + MDA
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 10:38:58AM +1000, Andrew Nesbit wrote: > Hello. I am still preparing to install Debian, but I am not sure of > what the default MTA is. I get the impression that it is exim, but I > have not been able to find any definitive answer anywhere in the > Debian Documentation Project. How is one supposed to find out this > sort of information? It's exim. The only way to find this out is really to look through the list of MTAs (that is, packages providing mail-transport-agent) and see which one has the highest priority. (exim is 'Priority: important'; the priorities are required, important, standard, optional, and extra.) > And another thing: what is the default MDA? (Does exim function as its > own MDA?) exim can be its own MDA, yes. Many people use procmail, which is 'Priority: standard'. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian's default MTA + MDA
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 10:38:58AM +1000, Andrew Nesbit wrote: | Hello. I am still preparing to install Debian, but I am not sure of what the | default MTA is. I get the impression that it is exim, but I have not been | able to find any definitive answer anywhere in the Debian Documentation | Project. How is one supposed to find out this sort of information? Hmm, ... default ... I guess whatever dselect or tasksel or whatever part of the install system picks something is the default. It really doesn't matter. I think that exim is the most commonly used, but choose whatever system you want. exim is fairly easy to configure for "normal" systems by using eximconfig. If you're not sure what answer you should pick for something, just holler (well, ask nicely ) and we'll help you out. | And another thing: what is the default MDA? (Does exim function as its own | MDA?) Most (all?) full-fledged MTAs can function as an MDA as well. I know for a fact that exim and sendmail can both deliver mail to a user's inbox (which is MDA functionality). The distinction between MTA and MDA can be kind of blurred unless you look at, eg, procmail which is not an MTA at all but can function as an MDA. HTH, -D
Debian's default MTA + MDA
Hello. I am still preparing to install Debian, but I am not sure of what the default MTA is. I get the impression that it is exim, but I have not been able to find any definitive answer anywhere in the Debian Documentation Project. How is one supposed to find out this sort of information? And another thing: what is the default MDA? (Does exim function as its own MDA?) Thankyou. -Andrew
Re: MTA and debian default mta
> "Matt" == Matt Garman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matt> And why did they choose exim over others (such as postfix)? I don't think postfix was available at the time the decision was made. I seem to remember that there were rather heated debates in debian-devel over the default choice of MTA - look it up in the archives if you want to know more... -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: MTA and debian default mta
Just out of curiosity, why did Debian choose exim as its default MTA? I remember Debian's default MTA used to be smail. Why did they move away from smail? And why did they choose exim over others (such as postfix)? Thanks, Matt -- Matt Garman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "And through the window in the wall Come streaming in on sunlight wings A million bright ambassadors of morning." --Pink Floyd, "Echoes"
Re: Default MTA
On Sat, Nov 21, 1998 at 05:42:46PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: > The last Debian system I installed (Hamm last week) still had smail > as its pre-selected MTA. These kinds of changes are not made to the hamm release - after all, it is supposed to be /stable/. Slink, ie frozen, has the change, at least on one secondary mirror i checked (ftp.funet.fi). Antti-Juhani -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% NOTE: I am migrating to a new setup. There may still be problems with my mail/news headers, so *please* trust the above addresses more than the addresses in the headers. I hope I'll get this working ASAP.
Re: Default MTA
On Sat, Nov 21, 1998 at 03:56:20PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: > The best argument I have seen for removing smail as the default > Debian MTA There's no need to advocate the issue any longer. Smail is now optional and exim is important, ie the default. Antti-Juhani -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% NOTE: I am migrating to a new setup. There may still be problems with my mail/news headers, so *please* trust the above addresses more than the addresses in the headers. I hope I'll get this working ASAP.
