Re: defoma and its font path
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:37:36 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:59:11 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: TrueType fonts can be simply copied/pasted into one of the available font path folders and that should be all. It isn't that simple. It is for the majority of applications. It seems very likely that in the majority of applications, nowadays tft monitors are being used. Sorry, I don't see the relation between TTF and TFT other that both terms use the same letters but in different order :-) With what you can get from dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config, the fonts don't look too great and they look really awful in emacs-frames. (...) This can be a corner case that needs from manual intervention. Just google for it and you'll find that many ppl have that problem. (...) Still a corner case because it only affects users using the same application: the problem scope is limited ;-) For instance, I also had to create a ~/.fonts.conf so Firefox does a proper font replacement but this kind of tweaks are not the norm and TrueType fonts are detected by the system and applications without a hitch. And they look like crap on a tft. I don't know where do you want to go but we were talking about TrueType fonts, not how fonts render in TTF screens (and mines renders crystal clear and perfect). You can open a new thread so we can continue this conversation there but let's no hijack this one. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2niol$3ru$5...@ger.gmane.org
Re: defoma and its font path
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: TrueType fonts can be simply copied/pasted into one of the available font path folders and that should be all. It isn't that simple. With what you can get from dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config, the fonts don't look too great and they look really awful in emacs-frames. Following the instructions on [1], placing stuff into ~/.fonts.conf.d like , | ?xml version=1.0? | match target=font | edit name=autohint mode=assign | boolfalse/bool | /edit | /match | | match target=font | edit name=rgba mode=assign | constrgb/const | /edit | /match | | match target=font | edit mode=assign name=lcdfilter | constlcddefault/const | /edit | /match | | match target=font | edit name=antialias mode=assign | booltrue/bool | /edit | /match ` ... and Emacs.FontBackend: xft into ~/.Xresources finally gives good results (on a tft monitor). There's probably even room for improvement (and it's up to what you prefer). I just haven't bothered with it any more yet because the difference is like night and day already. It's arguable whether there should be some more options given by fontconfig-config, including the ability to set user-specific defaults. --- On a side note, the tendency of splitting configurations into numerous little files really should be stopped. It only makes it harder and harder to find out what's going on :( The Debian pages I could find about this weren't very good. BTW, is that only me, or does it become increasingly difficult to keep a Debian system configured the way you want to because things become ever more cryptic and hidden? Or is that only due to hard- and software becoming more powerful and complex? [1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k3w2825c@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: defoma and its font path
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:59:11 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: TrueType fonts can be simply copied/pasted into one of the available font path folders and that should be all. It isn't that simple. It is for the majority of applications. With what you can get from dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config, the fonts don't look too great and they look really awful in emacs-frames. (...) This can be a corner case that needs from manual intervention. For instance, I also had to create a ~/.fonts.conf so Firefox does a proper font replacement but this kind of tweaks are not the norm and TrueType fonts are detected by the system and applications without a hitch. It's arguable whether there should be some more options given by fontconfig-config, including the ability to set user-specific defaults. It's always difficult to document the special cases :-) --- On a side note, the tendency of splitting configurations into numerous little files really should be stopped. It only makes it harder and harder to find out what's going on :( Now it's called being pluggable, we have to live with that (yes, it's quite annoying). The Debian pages I could find about this weren't very good. I find the wiki page really good. Of course, it cannot detail all of the possible configurations. BTW, is that only me, or does it become increasingly difficult to keep a Debian system configured the way you want to because things become ever more cryptic and hidden? It's not just you but I find is something generalized nowadays in the Linux ecosystem not juts Debian. Or is that only due to hard- and software becoming more powerful and complex? This can also affect to harden things, yes. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2kvfi$77j$6...@ger.gmane.org
Re: defoma and its font path
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:59:11 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: TrueType fonts can be simply copied/pasted into one of the available font path folders and that should be all. It isn't that simple. It is for the majority of applications. It seems very likely that in the majority of applications, nowadays tft monitors are being used. With what you can get from dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config, the fonts don't look too great and they look really awful in emacs-frames. (...) This can be a corner case that needs from manual intervention. Just google for it and you'll find that many ppl have that problem. Why is the possibility that someone uses a tft monitor not considered in the system wide font configuration? I don't remember if you're even being asked anything about font configuration during installation --- if you are (and wouldn't it be nice if you were?), wouldn't it be nice if it gave you a choice of settings to optimise the rendering of fonts for a tft monitor? Did you look at the configuration files under /etc? An lcdfilter doesn't appear anywhere in there. What sense does it make to completely ignore settings that could improve the rendering of fonts for probably the majority of users? For instance, I also had to create a ~/.fonts.conf so Firefox does a proper font replacement but this kind of tweaks are not the norm and TrueType fonts are detected by the system and applications without a hitch. And they look like crap on a tft. Sure your replacing of some fonts for particular applications is your special case. Sure fonts are detected and can be used. That doesn't mean that they should look like crap. It's something I expect to work right out of the box, after asking me questions about it if needed. It's arguable whether there should be some more options given by fontconfig-config, including the ability to set user-specific defaults. It's always difficult to document the special cases :-) Using a tft monitor isn't a special case anymore, is it? And if it isn't, perhaps there should be a bugreport about it, requesting an extension of the options presented. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gs17jpb@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: defoma and its font path
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 19:44:17 +, T o n g wrote: It's been generations since I last play with X and defoma. Is defoma still the recommended way of configuring TrueType fonts? I noticed that defoma's font path is not in my Xorg. Is there any modern way to slip it in without touching the xorg.conf, using xorg.conf.d perhaps? I'm using Lenny and never had to deal with defoma :-? TrueType fonts can be simply copied/pasted into one of the available font path folders and that should be all. There's good info about fonts configuration here: http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2i7de$rra$3...@ger.gmane.org
defoma and its font path
Hi, It's been generations since I last play with X and defoma. Is defoma still the recommended way of configuring TrueType fonts? I noticed that defoma's font path is not in my Xorg. Is there any modern way to slip it in without touching the xorg.conf, using xorg.conf.d perhaps? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2g76h$f2f$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: defoma and its font path
On Sat 08 Sep 2012 at 19:44:17 +, T o n g wrote: It's been generations since I last play with X and defoma. You may need to get a move on if it is still your intention. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651494 Even now it may be too late. But snapshot.debian.org is always at hand. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120908222947.GR24280@desktop
