Re: document processing
Douglas Tutty writes: > I'm revisiting how I make documents. I have been using lout since I > started with linux in 2000 but it has the following shortcomimgs: I would recommend DocBook. > Difficult to change things like margins With DocBook this isn't as straightforward as with WYSIWYG editors, but possible adjusting (or creating new) style-sheets. > Can't make html docbook2html > plain text output has blank lines that must be edited. I tried now with docbook2txt on an document here and the output doesn't have more blank lines than needed (to separate paragraphs and sections). > My primary use is for letters and notes but also larger projects. I > don't like wysiwyg. I want to be able to make: ps, pdf, txt, html. docbook2ps, docbook2pdf, docbook2txt and docbook2html help with that. > Something like DebianDoc seems overkill for a letter. Yes I agree. > I want something that is simple, probably a markup language, but without > excessivly long tags or difficulty changing things like margins for > non-html output. > What do people find works well? I have used DocBook for years, mainly to write technical documentation and it suits perfectly my needs. HTH, -- --Jhair -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document processing
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 21:21 -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote: > [...] > Can't make html > [...] Bluefish is just perfect for that. It has syntax highlighting, and one-click "view in browser" capability. I recommend it for any other programming or markup also, like C, Pascal, m (Matlab file), php, perl, sql and several others. (People say Quanta is also good, but I don't have much experience with KDE stuff.) -- Szia: Nyizsa. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document processing
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Douglas Tutty wrote: > I'm revisiting how I make documents. I have been using lout since I > started with linux in 2000 > My primary use is for letters and notes but also larger projects. I > don't like wysiwyg. I want to be able to make: ps, pdf, txt, html. > > I want something that is simple, probably a markup language, but without > excessivly long tags or difficulty changing things like margins for > non-html output. > > What do people find works well? LaTeX just gets better. Every time I do a non-trivial document in anything else, I regret it. Larger projects -> LaTeX. For trivial documents, KWord is better than I expected; I like it a lot better than Openoffice Writer. If you don't like WYSIWYG and you have to give a slide show, check out mgp (MagicPoint). Cameron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document processing
Douglas Tutty wrote: I'm revisiting how I make documents. I have been using lout since I started with linux in 2000 but it has the following shortcomimgs: Difficult to change things like margins Can't make html plain text output has blank lines that must be edited. My primary use is for letters and notes but also larger projects. I don't like wysiwyg. I want to be able to make: ps, pdf, txt, html. Something like DebianDoc seems overkill for a letter. I want something that is simple, probably a markup language, but without excessivly long tags or difficulty changing things like margins for non-html output. What do people find works well? LaTeX, in combination with hyperlatex and other packages; I can give you a list if you are interested. I think you shall find no better guide to LaTeX than "A Guide to LaTeX" by Helmut Kopka & Patrick W. Daly, 3rd Edition, Addison-Wesley, 1999, ISBN 0-201-39825-7. For correspondence, follow the example in Kopka & Daly to create a template (a document "class") which suits your needs and taste. I find the "letter" class of LaTeX too plain; besides, the wide margins are wasteful of paper. Once you have created your template, the production cycle is as follows (with a document named "letter-1.tex"): (1) edit "letter-1.tex" (2) execute "latex letter-1.tex"; this typesets the document and creates a fresh dvi version of the document; typesetting takes only a few seconds unless you have a document on the order of a hundred pages, in which case typesetting may take a minute (3) execute "xdvi letter-1 &"; this gives you a display of the finished product (assuming PDF output) (4) repeat steps 1 and 2 until the document is complete, then jump to step 5; note that xdvi automatically displays the latest revision (5) execute "dvips letter-1"; this creates a postscript file for printing (6) execute "lpr letter-1.ps"; this prints the document You can change the font size and switch from single column to multiple columns without revising the template, but the physical dimensions of the layout and details such as margin with are determined by the templace. Kopka & Daily also provides detailed guidance and procedures for larger projects such as books. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document processing
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 08:00:46PM -0800, Kenward Vaughan wrote: ... > > LyX > > > Kenward > -- > In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be > _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, > because passing civilization along from one generation to the next > ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone > could have. - Lee Iacocca > > He must have read Plato's Republic. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document processing
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 09:21:50PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote: > I'm revisiting how I make documents. I have been using lout since I > started with linux in 2000 but it has the following shortcomimgs: > > Difficult to change things like margins > > Can't make html > > plain text output has blank lines that must be edited. > > > My primary use is for letters and notes but also larger projects. I > don't like wysiwyg. I want to be able to make: ps, pdf, txt, html. > > Something like DebianDoc seems overkill for a letter. > > I want something that is simple, probably a markup language, but without > excessivly long tags or difficulty changing things like margins for > non-html output. > > What do people find works well? ... LyX Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document processing
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 02:26:56PM +1100, Paul Dwerryhouse wrote: > On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 09:21:50PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote: > > My primary use is for letters and notes but also larger projects. I > > don't like wysiwyg. I want to be able to make: ps, pdf, txt, html. > > > > Something like DebianDoc seems overkill for a letter. > > I'd just use docbook (I haven't looked at debiandoc, but at a guess, > it's probably not all that much different). It's not really overkill if > you consider that you can just make a template once, and then re-use it > every time you need to write a letter. > > The XML (or SGML) is not really any more difficult to use than HTML, > either... I've had two suggestions of LaTex (thank you). How does the ease of use compare? More broadly, since LaTex and Tex have been around for so long, why was docbook (and debiandoc) developed instead of just having specific templates standardized? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document processing
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 09:21:50PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote: > My primary use is for letters and notes but also larger projects. I > don't like wysiwyg. I want to be able to make: ps, pdf, txt, html. > > Something like DebianDoc seems overkill for a letter. I'd just use docbook (I haven't looked at debiandoc, but at a guess, it's probably not all that much different). It's not really overkill if you consider that you can just make a template once, and then re-use it every time you need to write a letter. The XML (or SGML) is not really any more difficult to use than HTML, either... Cheers, Paul -- Paul Dwerryhouse| PGP Key ID: 0x6B91B584 A look at Ubuntu Server Edition: http://nepotismia.com/review/ubuntu/server/6.06/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document processing
Douglas Tutty wrote: > I'm revisiting how I make documents. I have been using lout since I > started with linux in 2000 but it has the following shortcomimgs: > > Difficult to change things like margins > > Can't make html > > plain text output has blank lines that must be edited. > > > My primary use is for letters and notes but also larger projects. I > don't like wysiwyg. I want to be able to make: ps, pdf, txt, html. > > Something like DebianDoc seems overkill for a letter. > > I want something that is simple, probably a markup language, but without > excessivly long tags or difficulty changing things like margins for > non-html output. > > What do people find works well? I like LaTeX. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
document processing
I'm revisiting how I make documents. I have been using lout since I started with linux in 2000 but it has the following shortcomimgs: Difficult to change things like margins Can't make html plain text output has blank lines that must be edited. My primary use is for letters and notes but also larger projects. I don't like wysiwyg. I want to be able to make: ps, pdf, txt, html. Something like DebianDoc seems overkill for a letter. I want something that is simple, probably a markup language, but without excessivly long tags or difficulty changing things like margins for non-html output. What do people find works well? Thanks, Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Document processing? (TeX/SGML?)
On %M 0, Jeff Noxon wrote > I'm looking for the best tool to create a professional-looking document > once, and then render it in the following formats: > > HTML > Postscript > PDF > ASCII > I had a very similar requirement a while ago. I used docbook + jade + jadetex to produce large, technical documents (20-80 pages) in postscript, HTML, and RTF. Modulo a few oddities, I got a consistent and clean look in each format, from a single set of source documents. I'm not sure where you stand regarding .pdf, but if you can make it from tex or postscript then you're set. > I'm not concerned so much about a learning curve as I am about flexibility > and results. Microsoft Word and other GUI-based products drive me nuts > because they don't give me the control (or stability) I need. > > What tools can tackle this kind of chore and what are their relative > merits? Should I be looking at TeX or SGML tools? Or should I just stick > with plain HTML? > > Naturally, the tools I use should be free and available as part of Debian. > When I did it it was all Debian. Xemacs+psgml is a really neat environment for exploring SGML, in my opinion. John P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Oh - I - you know - my job is to fear everything." - Bill Gates in Denmark
Re: Document processing? (TeX/SGML?)
> Quoting Jeff Noxon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > What tools can tackle this kind of chore and what are their relative > > merits? Should I be looking at TeX or SGML tools? Or should I just stick > > with plain HTML? > I would look into using LyX. It's a frontend for LaTeX. Not any more :) Now it functions in its own right, and generates latex. The next major release (1.2 or 2.0, not clear yet) will support other formats directly, we think. Such as html, sgml, who-knows-what. >It's pseudo-WYSIWYG Nope. It's WYSIWYM -- what you MEAN. No effort to mimic the actual printed output is made. Instead, it tries to make the content clear. > but still gives you great(better that Word) looking > documents. oh, yes! And it beats the tar out of equation editor--you can actually write & edit equations. I'd hung on to word 5 on mac for it's typesetting commands, which were pulled from 6 (thanks, bill). I'll still take word 5 on a 16mhz 030 over the current versions on the latest processors. But after a couple of equations of lyx, I switched to linux & bought a k6 box. Yes, seriously, lyx is why i switched from mac to linux. It's *that* useful. What I wasn't planning at the time was to add features myself, but that's the way it goes :) > You can then use scripts to convert the output to any(almost) > format you would like. these tend to have names like tex2pdf or whatever--firstformat, 2, then second format (though there are a cople of non-conforming programs out there. --
Re: Document processing? (TeX/SGML?)
On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Jeff Noxon wrote: > I'm looking for the best tool to create a professional-looking document > once, and then render it in the following formats: > > HTML > Postscript > PDF > ASCII > > I'm not concerned so much about a learning curve as I am about flexibility > and results. [..] > > What tools can tackle this kind of chore and what are their relative > merits? Should I be looking at TeX or SGML tools? Or should I just stick > with plain HTML? > I would suggest TeX/LaTeX. TeX is extremely flexible. LaTeX has the advantage of functional markup. (La)TeX to Postscript is the default way to proceed, at least within the Linux environment. Furthermore, there exist tools to convert (La)TeX to HTML (notably latex2html and tex4ht) and a LaTeX that creates directly PDF (PDFlatex, I have not used it yet). To create formatted ASCI file from LaTeX I use a utility called dvi2tty. Paul Huygen.
Re: Document processing? (TeX/SGML?)
On 1999-04-12 15:17, Jeff Noxon wrote: > I'm looking for the best tool to create a professional-looking document > once, and then render it in the following formats: > > HTML > Postscript > PDF > ASCII DocBook (SGML) + DocBook Stylesheets + Jade and Latex are the only options that I can think of. ASCII is problemantic in both cases (IMHO). SGML gives you RTF as well which will cause cheers at the windows camp of th world. > What tools can tackle this kind of chore and what are their relative > merits? Should I be looking at TeX or SGML tools? Or should I just stick > with plain HTML? I haven't played too much with tex->html, but I think it's quite decent. Still, you'll get much better output and flexibility if you use SGML+stylesheets (or XML+XSL for that matter) or LaTex. ii docbook 3.1-0.2SGML DTD for software documentation ii docbook-doc 30d10-4Documentation for the DocBook DTD. ii docbook-stylesh 1.38b-1Modular DocBook stylesheets, for print and H ii jade1.2.1-5James Clark's DSSSL Engine ii jadetex 2.2-1 LaTeX macros for SGML to DVI/PS/PDF conversi ii psgml 1.1.6-4An Emacs major mode for editing SGML documen ii tetex-base 0.9.990406-1 basic teTeX library files ii tetex-bin 0.9.990406-1 teTeX binary files ii tetex-doc 0.9.990406-1 teTeX documentation ii tetex-extra 0.9.990406-1 extra teTeX library files ii tetex-lib 0.9.990406-1 shared libkpathsea for teTeX ii tetex-nonfree 0.9.990406-1 non-free teTeX library files Probably missed something but this should get you started. /Allan -- Allan M. Wind Phone: 781.938.5272 (home) 687 Main St., 2nd fl. Fax:781.938.6641 (fax/modem) Woburn, MA 01801Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home)
Re: Document processing? (TeX/SGML?)
Quoting Jeff Noxon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > What tools can tackle this kind of chore and what are their relative > merits? Should I be looking at TeX or SGML tools? Or should I just stick > with plain HTML? I would look into using LyX. It's a frontend for LaTeX. It's pseudo-WYSIWYG but still gives you great(better that Word) looking documents. You can then use scripts to convert the output to any(almost) format you would like. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cinternet.net/~rlk "Is this a dagger I see before me, the handle toward my hand? Come let me clutch thee."--Macbeth
Re: Document processing? (TeX/SGML?)
I have no experience with SGML, but I can strongly recommend you to use TeX, or more precisely, TeX together with its macro package LaTeX. It gives you the most ample control about layout, it is platform-independent, output is dvi which is routinely converted to ps or pdf; conversion to ASCII and HTML is also possible. A very comprehensive and stable TeX distribution is teTeX, which comes with Debian in many cases (if not, you can get it from the web). There is a very recommendable newsgroup, comp.text.tex, concerned with TeX/LaTeX issues, and a mailing list for teTeX where you can get information and support. Also have a look at http://tug.org/ >Or should I just stick with plain HTML? HTML by far is not flexible enough to create professional-looking printable documents; it wasn't designed for that, though. HTH, -- Thomas Ruedas Institute of Meteorology and Geophysics, J.W. Goethe University Frankfurt/Main Feldbergstrasse 47 D-60323 Frankfurt/Main, Germany Phone:+49-(0)69-798-24949 Fax:+49-(0)69-798-23280 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geophysik.uni-frankfurt.de/~ruedas/
Document processing? (TeX/SGML?)
I'm looking for the best tool to create a professional-looking document once, and then render it in the following formats: HTML Postscript PDF ASCII I'm not concerned so much about a learning curve as I am about flexibility and results. Microsoft Word and other GUI-based products drive me nuts because they don't give me the control (or stability) I need. What tools can tackle this kind of chore and what are their relative merits? Should I be looking at TeX or SGML tools? Or should I just stick with plain HTML? Naturally, the tools I use should be free and available as part of Debian. Thanks in advance for your suggestions, Jeff
