Re: firefox misbehaviour
On 5/20/22 22:57, Hans wrote: Am Samstag, 21. Mai 2022, 05:09:38 CEST schrieb Russell L. Harris: Hi Russell, I do not have those issues you describe, but on my system firefox sometimes completely freezes the system when calling some special websites. Then nothing can be done, only the mouse is moving but no mouse clicking, nor keyboard input is possible then. The only way is the hard way: long press power button, so it switches off. I admit, there are some plugins installed, like noscript and ublock origin, which also might interfere. However, for testing purposes on those sites I temporarly deactivate the plugins. And of course, it can not be excluded, that these sites also interfere with the graphics driver, which is Nvidia. I was experiencing a intermittent problems with Firefox, video, keyboard, mouse, USB, etc., on Debian 9/ 10/ 11 and Xfce for a year or more. Only recently did I discover that I had a bad mouse. Over the years, I have destabilized more than one Debian system by installing software via some means other than official Debian packages. I checked my machines prior to discovering the mouse problem, and I had a few machines with a Debian package for Firefox or Thunderbird, and a Mozilla package for Thunderbird or Firefox. So, I reverted the mis-matching machines to Debian packages for both Firefox and Thunderbird. It did not solve the problem, but it eliminated one possible cause. David
Re: firefox misbehaviour
On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 07:57:29AM +0200, Hans wrote: Does this help? Yes. Noted and filed for reference. Thanks. I changed several items under SETTINGS and that helped, but I don't understand the interactions. RLH
Re: firefox misbehaviour
On 21.05.2022 17:33, Hans wrote: Hmm, this combination is new to me. As I am using plasma5, there is , which changes the mousepointer to a skull. Clicking then with the skull on some window, it will kill this window/ application. However, this does not work. Pressing should switch to console 1, (F2 to 2, F3 to 3 and so on) but this does not work, too. As I said, completely frozen! Oh, and it is also not possible, to login from another computer (i.e. with ssh), as due to the freeze authentication and other things do not work then. Last week, when my system froze, I was able to use SysRq¹ key combinations to sync disks, remount and reboot. Might be a good idea to check if it is enabled² (it should be enabled by default AFAICR), and keep instructions handy, if your system will freeze once again. ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key ² https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-manual/restrict-sysrq.en.html -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
Re: firefox misbehaviour
Hmm, this combination is new to me. As I am using plasma5, there is , which changes the mousepointer to a skull. Clicking then with the skull on some window, it will kill this window/ application. However, this does not work. Pressing should switch to console 1, (F2 to 2, F3 to 3 and so on) but this does not work, too. As I said, completely frozen! Oh, and it is also not possible, to login from another computer (i.e. with ssh), as due to the freeze authentication and other things do not work then. Best regards Hans > Coming from left field, I may be mis-remembering, but sometimes when I think > the system is totally frozen, I can press (even though the > keyboard otherwise seems dead), and get to whatever they call it (a virtual > terminal?) and recover from there (e.g., use top to see what is going on, > then maybe kill some processes that are using the most CPU (or maybe RAM),
Re: firefox misbehaviour
On Saturday, May 21, 2022 01:57:29 AM Hans wrote: > Am Samstag, 21. Mai 2022, 05:09:38 CEST schrieb Russell L. Harris: > I do not have those issues you describe, but on my system firefox sometimes > completely freezes the system when calling some special websites. > > Then nothing can be done, only the mouse is moving but no mouse clicking, > nor keyboard input is possible then. > > The only way is the hard way: long press power button, so it switches off. Coming from left field, I may be mis-remembering, but sometimes when I think the system is totally frozen, I can press (even though the keyboard otherwise seems dead), and get to whatever they call it (a virtual terminal?) and recover from there (e.g., use top to see what is going on, then maybe kill some processes that are using the most CPU (or maybe RAM),
Re: firefox misbehaviour
On 21/5/22 2:07 pm, Russell L. Harris wrote: On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 10:18:59PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: I am unfamiliar with "TAB AUTO REFRESH icon (and function)". TAB AUTO REFRESH is an extension which automatically reloads the current page every [specified number of] seconds. I use it to refresh the weather bureau forecast web page about once an hour and the web page for my personal weather station about every five minutes. When installed, TAB AUTO REFRESH displays an icon with a countdown of the number of seconds until the next refresh. Clicking on the icon brings up a window for resetting the refresh interval. RLH Whilst you conspicuously omit indication of where you are located, I have found that, here in Australia, the weather bureau has gone malicious, and blocks access where a web site visitor tries to reload a web page in less than a (unknown) specified period of time, which is somewhere around four hours after the web page was last reloaded. I have found using the pws dashboard for a local weather station on the Weather Underground, to be both more reliable, and, more localised (e.g., for me, https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/IWESTERN754), as the local Weather Underground is within about a kilometre, and, the weather bureau closest weather station, is about 10-15 kilometres away. The Weather Underground PWS dashboard updates, usually,about every 10-20s, I think. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: firefox misbehaviour
On 21.05.2022 10:57, Hans wrote: Am Samstag, 21. Mai 2022, 05:09:38 CEST schrieb Russell L. Harris: Hi Russell, I do not have those issues you describe, but on my system firefox sometimes completely freezes the system when calling some special websites. Then nothing can be done, only the mouse is moving but no mouse clicking, nor keyboard input is possible then. The only way is the hard way: long press power button, so it switches off. I admit, there are some plugins installed, like noscript and ublock origin, which also might interfere. However, for testing purposes on those sites I temporarly deactivate the plugins. And of course, it can not be excluded, that these sites also interfere with the graphics driver, which is Nvidia. I have had similar issues with system locking up on rare occasion, definitely noticeable because this system was rock solid stable for years. For me it began to happen when I've updated "nvidia-driver" to version "470.103" from "proposed-updates". There is also XID #8 error¹ in syslog, at the time when a freeze occurs, suggesting it is a Nvidia driver problem. To verify my suspicion, I've downgraded "nvidia-driver" to version "460.91" from "stable" and freezes are gone. I didn't file a bug report about this, in fact I don't know if I should and where to report it, but my system is running for a week now without any problems. ¹ https://docs.nvidia.com/deploy/xid-errors/index.html -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
Re: firefox misbehaviour
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 10:18:59PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: I am unfamiliar with "TAB AUTO REFRESH icon (and function)". TAB AUTO REFRESH is an extension which automatically reloads the current page every [specified number of] seconds. I use it to refresh the weather bureau forecast web page about once an hour and the web page for my personal weather station about every five minutes. When installed, TAB AUTO REFRESH displays an icon with a countdown of the number of seconds until the next refresh. Clicking on the icon brings up a window for resetting the refresh interval. RLH
Re: firefox misbehaviour
Am Samstag, 21. Mai 2022, 05:09:38 CEST schrieb Russell L. Harris: Hi Russell, I do not have those issues you describe, but on my system firefox sometimes completely freezes the system when calling some special websites. Then nothing can be done, only the mouse is moving but no mouse clicking, nor keyboard input is possible then. The only way is the hard way: long press power button, so it switches off. I admit, there are some plugins installed, like noscript and ublock origin, which also might interfere. However, for testing purposes on those sites I temporarly deactivate the plugins. And of course, it can not be excluded, that these sites also interfere with the graphics driver, which is Nvidia. Does this help? Best regards Hans > Is anyone else having trouble with firefox over the past week? > > At first I noticed that NEW WINDOW sometimes was absent from the menu > (FILE > NEW WINDOW). Then, some bookmarks went missing. Now the TAB > AUTO REFRESH icon (and function) has vanished and does not reinstall. > > Debian 11, firefox 91.9.0esr (64-bit) > > RLH
Re: firefox misbehaviour
On 5/20/22 20:09, Russell L. Harris wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with firefox over the past week? At first I noticed that NEW WINDOW sometimes was absent from the menu (FILE > NEW WINDOW). Then, some bookmarks went missing. Now the TAB AUTO REFRESH icon (and function) has vanished and does not reinstall. Debian 11, firefox 91.9.0esr (64-bit) RLH I upgraded to 91.9.0esr-1~deb11u1 two weeks ago: 2022-05-06 15:42:02 root@laalaa ~ # apt-get upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: firefox-esr ... Get:5 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security/main amd64 firefox-esr amd64 91.9.0esr-1~deb11u1 [58.7 MB] Preparing to unpack .../01-firefox-esr_91.9.0esr-1~deb11u1_amd64.deb ... Leaving 'diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.real by firefox-esr' Unpacking firefox-esr (91.9.0esr-1~deb11u1) over (91.7.0esr-1~deb11u1) ... Setting up firefox-esr (91.9.0esr-1~deb11u1) ... File -> New Window exists and works. I have not noticed any missing bookmarks. I am unfamiliar with "TAB AUTO REFRESH icon (and function)". David
firefox misbehaviour
Is anyone else having trouble with firefox over the past week? At first I noticed that NEW WINDOW sometimes was absent from the menu (FILE > NEW WINDOW). Then, some bookmarks went missing. Now the TAB AUTO REFRESH icon (and function) has vanished and does not reinstall. Debian 11, firefox 91.9.0esr (64-bit) RLH -- Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! - Isaiah 5:20
