Re: flac and wav

2007-09-03 Thread H.S.
Adam Hardy wrote:
 Marko Randjelovic on 12/08/07 16:52, wrote:
 Ron Johnson wrote:
 Hmmm.  I don't know why I automatically assumed (yeah, yeah, I know)
 was a Windows app.  :(

 Anyway, rezound in Unstable is a beta version (0.12.2beta-10), and
 quite an early version.  Maybe that's why there are bugs.  Also, it
 seems to use OSS instead of ALSA.  Not encouraging.

 I'd look for it's home page on the internet and see how actively
 it's developed and what it's future plans are.


 Rezound is also in Etch, version 0.12.2beta-8 (earlier). Anyway,
 Audacity should be fine for the purpose.
 
 Audacity is v1.2.4b-2.1
 
 Is that not also beta?
 
 

It is. I have experienced crashes when I was trying to repair some
saturated samples. A series of do's and undo's caused it to crash. Other
than that, it has never crashed.

I frequently use it to process live recordings (label each track, export
each track to flac and to ogg, make CD's from flac (k3b) and put ogg's
on a website). Never crashed during these normal operations. Oh, another
thing. If you choose to export multiple ... the various labels, the
resulting windows says exporting the whole project, which is wrong.
But the exports are correct though.

-HS



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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-12 Thread Adam Hardy

Stefan Monnier on 12/08/07 05:22, wrote:

Would have if I could have! But it wasn't a cd. It was an old cassette
tape feeding into the sound card, captured with ReZound.



There are *definitely* ways to do that with Linux.  Someone asks
every 4-6 months on this list.  Record players, not cassette
players, but the concept is the same.


When ripping cassette tapes, I do:
- use sox's rec to record a wav file of the whole side of a tape.
- open the wav in `audacity' to visually find the spots that separate
  one song from another, writing down the second at which they occur.
  I generally check the timestamps I write down by comparing them to
  the official duration of each song.
- run `wavsplit' passing it the timestamps I just wrote down.
- rename the resulting wav files (so the name reflects the title,
  tracknumber, ...).
- pass them through a `for' loop that compresses them with oggenc.


Found ReZound first in apt-cache search. Maybe if they'd called themselves Acme 
instead of Sox.


Interesting to learn of wavsplit.


Adam


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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-12 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 08/12/07 07:37, Adam Hardy wrote:
 Stefan Monnier on 12/08/07 05:22, wrote:
 Would have if I could have! But it wasn't a cd. It was an old cassette
 tape feeding into the sound card, captured with ReZound.

 There are *definitely* ways to do that with Linux.  Someone asks
 every 4-6 months on this list.  Record players, not cassette
 players, but the concept is the same.

 When ripping cassette tapes, I do:
 - use sox's rec to record a wav file of the whole side of a tape.
 - open the wav in `audacity' to visually find the spots that separate
   one song from another, writing down the second at which they occur.
   I generally check the timestamps I write down by comparing them to
   the official duration of each song.
 - run `wavsplit' passing it the timestamps I just wrote down.
 - rename the resulting wav files (so the name reflects the title,
   tracknumber, ...).
 - pass them through a `for' loop that compresses them with oggenc.
 
 Found ReZound first in apt-cache search. Maybe if they'd called
 themselves Acme instead of Sox.

Hmmm.  I don't know why I automatically assumed (yeah, yeah, I know)
was a Windows app.  :(

Anyway, rezound in Unstable is a beta version (0.12.2beta-10), and
quite an early version.  Maybe that's why there are bugs.  Also, it
seems to use OSS instead of ALSA.  Not encouraging.

I'd look for it's home page on the internet and see how actively
it's developed and what it's future plans are.

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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-12 Thread Marko Randjelovic
Ron Johnson wrote:
 Hmmm.  I don't know why I automatically assumed (yeah, yeah, I know)
 was a Windows app.  :(
 
 Anyway, rezound in Unstable is a beta version (0.12.2beta-10), and
 quite an early version.  Maybe that's why there are bugs.  Also, it
 seems to use OSS instead of ALSA.  Not encouraging.
 
 I'd look for it's home page on the internet and see how actively
 it's developed and what it's future plans are.
 

Rezound is also in Etch, version 0.12.2beta-8 (earlier). Anyway,
Audacity should be fine for the purpose.


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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-12 Thread Adam Hardy

Marko Randjelovic on 12/08/07 16:52, wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

Hmmm.  I don't know why I automatically assumed (yeah, yeah, I know)
was a Windows app.  :(

Anyway, rezound in Unstable is a beta version (0.12.2beta-10), and
quite an early version.  Maybe that's why there are bugs.  Also, it
seems to use OSS instead of ALSA.  Not encouraging.

I'd look for it's home page on the internet and see how actively
it's developed and what it's future plans are.



Rezound is also in Etch, version 0.12.2beta-8 (earlier). Anyway,
Audacity should be fine for the purpose.


Audacity is v1.2.4b-2.1

Is that not also beta?


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flac and wav

2007-08-12 Thread David Fox
oops - forwarding back to keep discussion on list (grr gmail)

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Subject: Re: flac and wav
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Stefan wrote:


 When ripping cassette tapes, I do:
 - use sox's rec to record a wav file of the whole side of a tape.
 - open the wav in `audacity' to visually find the spots that separate
   one song from another, writing down the second at which they occur.


I seem to think that is too much work. Why not simply open up audacity, set
it
to read from line in, adjust your mixer settings accordingly, and then
just let
audacity record from the line in of the sound card directly? Probably you
do want
to save the finished copy of course, before you split it up, but you can
also block and
copy-paste the songs over to new wav files from within Audacity itself.


 Stefan



Re: flac and wav

2007-08-12 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 08/12/07 12:06, Adam Hardy wrote:
 Marko Randjelovic on 12/08/07 16:52, wrote:
 Ron Johnson wrote:
 Hmmm.  I don't know why I automatically assumed (yeah, yeah, I know)
 was a Windows app.  :(

 Anyway, rezound in Unstable is a beta version (0.12.2beta-10), and
 quite an early version.  Maybe that's why there are bugs.  Also, it
 seems to use OSS instead of ALSA.  Not encouraging.

 I'd look for it's home page on the internet and see how actively
 it's developed and what it's future plans are.


 Rezound is also in Etch, version 0.12.2beta-8 (earlier). Anyway,
 Audacity should be fine for the purpose.
 
 Audacity is v1.2.4b-2.1

In Stable.  Lenny and Sid are 1.3.

 Is that not also beta?

Yabut... the beta of v1.2.4 is *usually* much more advanced than
v0.12.2.

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flac and wav

2007-08-11 Thread Adam Hardy

Hi

is anyone here familiar with wav files or flac encoding? I created a wav file 
using ReZound and I'm trying to compress it with flac but I get the following error:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp$ flac Ted/Ted\ Hughes\ -\ 1970\ -\ Crow\ \(side\ 1\).wav

flac 1.1.2, Copyright (C) 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004,2005  Josh Coalson
flac comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.  This is free software, and you are
welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.  Type `flac' for details.

options: -P 4096 -b 4608 -m -l 8 -q 0 -r 3,3
Ted Hughes - 1970 - Crow (side 1).wav: 100% complete, ratio=0.331Ted Hughes - 
1970 - Crow (side 1).wav: ERROR: unexpected EOF; expected 73923640 samples, got 
73921536 samples



Flac reaches 100% while (presumably) encoding, but due to the error it doesn't 
wwrite the flac file. This is with the --lax option which is meant to be more 
forgiving.


Is this symptomatic of a setting I should have configured when I saved the wav 
file in ReZound?



Thanks
Adam


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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-11 Thread Marko Randjelovic
Adam Hardy wrote:
 Hi
 
 is anyone here familiar with wav files or flac encoding? I created a wav
 file using ReZound and I'm trying to compress it with flac but I get the
 following error:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp$ flac Ted/Ted\ Hughes\ -\ 1970\ -\ Crow\ \(side\ 
 1\).wav
 
 flac 1.1.2, Copyright (C) 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004,2005  Josh Coalson
 flac comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.  This is free software, and you are
 welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.  Type `flac' for
 details.
 
 options: -P 4096 -b 4608 -m -l 8 -q 0 -r 3,3
 Ted Hughes - 1970 - Crow (side 1).wav: 100% complete, ratio=0.331Ted
 Hughes - 1970 - Crow (side 1).wav: ERROR: unexpected EOF; expected
 73923640 samples, got 73921536 samples
 
 
 Flac reaches 100% while (presumably) encoding, but due to the error it
 doesn't wwrite the flac file. This is with the --lax option which is
 meant to be more forgiving.
 
 Is this symptomatic of a setting I should have configured when I saved
 the wav file in ReZound?
 
 
 Thanks
 Adam
 
 

Maybe ReZound made bad wav file. Try some other wav file, from different
source. Can this wav file be played with some player?


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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-11 Thread Adam Hardy

Marko Randjelovic on 11/08/07 13:00, wrote:

Adam Hardy wrote:

is anyone here familiar with wav files or flac encoding? I created a wav
file using ReZound and I'm trying to compress it with flac but I get the
following error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp$ flac Ted/Ted\ Hughes\ -\ 1970\ -\ Crow\ \(side\ 1\).wav

flac 1.1.2, Copyright (C) 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004,2005  Josh Coalson
flac comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.  This is free software, and you are
welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.  Type `flac' for
details.

options: -P 4096 -b 4608 -m -l 8 -q 0 -r 3,3
Ted Hughes - 1970 - Crow (side 1).wav: 100% complete, ratio=0.331Ted
Hughes - 1970 - Crow (side 1).wav: ERROR: unexpected EOF; expected
73923640 samples, got 73921536 samples


Flac reaches 100% while (presumably) encoding, but due to the error it
doesn't wwrite the flac file. This is with the --lax option which is
meant to be more forgiving.

Is this symptomatic of a setting I should have configured when I saved
the wav file in ReZound?


Maybe ReZound made bad wav file. Try some other wav file, from different
source. Can this wav file be played with some player?


You were right. I had made 4 files actually, and 2 of them were bad. I opened 
them and re-saved them with ReZound, and they encoded properly this time. I'm 
glad it wasn't anything but bad luck. But the files were each 300MB in size and 
the length of time opening and saving them was so appreciable, I hadn't thought 
of trying it.


Thanks
Adam


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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-11 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 08/11/07 14:05, Adam Hardy wrote:
 Marko Randjelovic on 11/08/07 13:00, wrote:
 Adam Hardy wrote:
 is anyone here familiar with wav files or flac encoding? I created a wav
 file using ReZound and I'm trying to compress it with flac but I get the
 following error:

[snip]

 Maybe ReZound made bad wav file. Try some other wav file, from different
 source. Can this wav file be played with some player?
 
 You were right. I had made 4 files actually, and 2 of them were bad. I
 opened them and re-saved them with ReZound, and they encoded properly
 this time. I'm glad it wasn't anything but bad luck. But the files were
 each 300MB in size and the length of time opening and saving them was so
 appreciable, I hadn't thought of trying it.

Now you'll know next time to rip using Linux.

I like app (and package) abcde for ripping and compressing.

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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-11 Thread Adam Hardy

Ron Johnson on 11/08/07 20:20, wrote:

On 08/11/07 14:05, Adam Hardy wrote:

Marko Randjelovic on 11/08/07 13:00, wrote:

Adam Hardy wrote:

is anyone here familiar with wav files or flac encoding? I created a wav
file using ReZound and I'm trying to compress it with flac but I get the
following error:


[snip]

Maybe ReZound made bad wav file. Try some other wav file, from different
source. Can this wav file be played with some player?

You were right. I had made 4 files actually, and 2 of them were bad. I
opened them and re-saved them with ReZound, and they encoded properly
this time. I'm glad it wasn't anything but bad luck. But the files were
each 300MB in size and the length of time opening and saving them was so
appreciable, I hadn't thought of trying it.


Now you'll know next time to rip using Linux.

I like app (and package) abcde for ripping and compressing.


Would have if I could have! But it wasn't a cd. It was an old cassette tape 
feeding into the sound card, captured with ReZound.


abcde is my ripper of choice too but I couldn't figure out how to make it read 
the wav files I had saved. It appears it only works from CD. So I resorted to 
the bare flac program to compress them.



rgds
Adam


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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-11 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 08/11/07 14:42, Adam Hardy wrote:
[snip]
 
 Would have if I could have! But it wasn't a cd. It was an old cassette
 tape feeding into the sound card, captured with ReZound.

There are *definitely* ways to do that with Linux.  Someone asks
every 4-6 months on this list.  Record players, not cassette
players, but the concept is the same.

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Re: flac and wav

2007-08-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
 Would have if I could have! But it wasn't a cd. It was an old cassette
 tape feeding into the sound card, captured with ReZound.

 There are *definitely* ways to do that with Linux.  Someone asks
 every 4-6 months on this list.  Record players, not cassette
 players, but the concept is the same.

When ripping cassette tapes, I do:
- use sox's rec to record a wav file of the whole side of a tape.
- open the wav in `audacity' to visually find the spots that separate
  one song from another, writing down the second at which they occur.
  I generally check the timestamps I write down by comparing them to
  the official duration of each song.
- run `wavsplit' passing it the timestamps I just wrote down.
- rename the resulting wav files (so the name reflects the title,
  tracknumber, ...).
- pass them through a `for' loop that compresses them with oggenc.


Stefan


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