Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner
be the only person on the planet trying to use a SATA optical drive with linux. Reminds me of ieee1394 and how long it took linux to gain actual working support for that. -Mike I´m trying to mike with litte succes. 2 days after I bought the sata optical drive I read it´s not working on debian. Rizlaaf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner
On Monday 18 July 2005 10:30, Mike wrote: ... I read things that imply that Fedora supports SATA ATAPI. Whats wrong with it that prevents Debian from doing it but allows Fedora to do it with it's stock kernel? I don't know, maybe I'm just confusing myself even more. ... I'm not much help here any more, but here's my suggestions for what they're worth: 1. Plextor hardware lists: http://www.plextor.com/english/support/support_compatability.html http://www.plextor.com/english/support/media_712SA.htm http://www.plextor.com/english/support/PX-716SA motherboard compatability listing.htm [Is it just me or does Windoze users look really stupid when they post URL's with spaces in them? :-(] 2. Try the latest Knoppix CD. 3. If you think Fedora will work, try it or ask on one of their lists. If you can get your setup to work with another version of Linux, we'll be that much closer to figuring out what's wrong. BTW, I still lean heavily to the hardware side of thing. Try a more compatible SATA controller. You may also be interested in this: Asus Anti-Linux Attitude Sucks http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html All the best. -- Robert roach Spencer Pietermaritzburg South Africa -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner
I'm not much help here any more, but here's my suggestions for what they're worth: 1. Plextor hardware lists: http://www.plextor.com/english/support/support_compatability.html http://www.plextor.com/english/support/media_712SA.htm http://www.plextor.com/english/support/PX-716SA motherboard compatability listing.htm [Is it just me or does Windoze users look really stupid when they post URL's with spaces in them? :-(] 2. Try the latest Knoppix CD. 3. If you think Fedora will work, try it or ask on one of their lists. If you can get your setup to work with another version of Linux, we'll be that much closer to figuring out what's wrong. BTW, I still lean heavily to the hardware side of thing. Try a more compatible SATA controller. You may also be interested in this: Asus Anti-Linux Attitude Sucks http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html All the best. -- Robert roach Spencer Pietermaritzburg South Africa Thanks Robert, I'm fairly certian that it doesn't have anything to do with how compatable of a SATA controller I have. It has to do with ATAPI being turned off in Debians kernel for 'every' SATA device. So no matter what hardware you have, and If your using one of the more recent kernels, You can't use your SATA Optical 'anything' without recompiling your Debian kernel. There is a file I see taht has enable=ATAPI~somehting in a kernel file that ends in .h. (can't quite remember the specifics since I am at work right now) I am getting the impression that the linux kernels between 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 had a bug in the SATA ATAPI portion of the driver. To which it was turned off. I hear on gentoo there is a patch for 2.6.11 to make it work correctly, and it should be included in 2.6.12 (like FC4) So maybe I just wait for sid to get that. (though I am not positive on anything here, I can't seem to get any actual facts past what I can put together myself.) I think I have it figured out. What mostly impresses me is that I seem to be the only person on the planet trying to use a SATA optical drive with linux. Reminds me of ieee1394 and how long it took linux to gain actual working support for that. -Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner
Brian Pack wrote: According to the July Maximum PC (page 62), There are issues with 3rd party SATA chips on motherboards when it comes to optical drives. The Silicon Image chip would be one of those. They did not have very good results with the Silicon Image 3112 or 3114 controllers. I assume you've visited this page? http://www.plextor.com/english/support/media_712SA.htm You may need to tweak your BIOS to get it to work. Not that one, I have a 716SA. The 712SA is a single layer burner. The problem is the drive works great on this system under windows. (this particular system is dual boot) From what I 'can' find about this issue, it seems as though no SATA optical drives will work under debian stock kernels. I read that under ubuntu and debian SATA ATAPI is disabled but that is all they said on what I read. And I don't know what that means since I've never compiled my own kernel. Plus I don't know if what I was reading still holds true, and I don't really want to start maintaining my own kernel anyways. They were talking about 2.6.10 where I have 2.6.11. I just find it hard to believe that I am the only one on the planet trying to use a SATA burner under Debian and that makes me think it has to be something I'm doing wrong. I mean Linux or Debian has got to fully support SATA by now right? It's been around for years. -Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner
Mike wrote: Brian Pack wrote: According to the July Maximum PC (page 62), There are issues with 3rd party SATA chips on motherboards when it comes to optical drives. The Silicon Image chip would be one of those. They did not have very good results with the Silicon Image 3112 or 3114 controllers. I assume you've visited this page? http://www.plextor.com/english/support/media_712SA.htm You may need to tweak your BIOS to get it to work. Not that one, I have a 716SA. The 712SA is a single layer burner. The problem is the drive works great on this system under windows. (this particular system is dual boot) From what I 'can' find about this issue, it seems as though no SATA optical drives will work under debian stock kernels. I read that under ubuntu and debian SATA ATAPI is disabled but that is all they said on what I read. And I don't know what that means since I've never compiled my own kernel. Plus I don't know if what I was reading still holds true, and I don't really want to start maintaining my own kernel anyways. They were talking about 2.6.10 where I have 2.6.11. I just find it hard to believe that I am the only one on the planet trying to use a SATA burner under Debian and that makes me think it has to be something I'm doing wrong. I mean Linux or Debian has got to fully support SATA by now right? It's been around for years. -Mike hmmm, so wait... See I read things like this and it looks like Debian still hasn't started supporting SATA with its kernel configuration. Is this really whats happening here? http://www.lazy8.nu/delld180/DebianLinuxOnDellLattitude810laptop.html I read things that imply that Fedora supports SATA ATAPI. Whats wrong with it that prevents Debian from doing it but allows Fedora to do it with it's stock kernel? I don't know, maybe I'm just confusing myself even more. -Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner
Does anybody know why debian doesn't detect SATA optical drives? I'm using sid, it detects my SATA controller and loads everything up. But completely ingores my plextor 716SA DVD Burner. I havn't gotten a single response to this question the last 8 times i've asked it. -Mike (I didn't post my system logs, lspci etc because it doesn't matter i'd be suprised if anybody responds to this one either) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner
On Sunday 17 July 2005 23:40, Mike wrote: Does anybody know why debian doesn't detect SATA optical drives? ... (I didn't post my system logs, lspci etc because it doesn't matter i'd be suprised if anybody responds to this one either) SUPRISE! See somebody did answer. Now peel yourself off the floor and lets continue... I doubt very much that this is a problem with linux and relates more to your SATA controller chipset. Most chipsets assume that you'd only connect a harddrive and therefore only support harddrives. What is your SATA controller chipset? If you've got more than one kind have you tried on the other? BTW, I know this to be true because I wanted to buy a plextor CD drive and found out it was incompatible with my motherboards SATA chipsets :-( -- Robert roach Spencer Pietermaritzburg South Africa -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner
roach wrote: SUPRISE! See somebody did answer. Now peel yourself off the floor and lets continue... I doubt very much that this is a problem with linux and relates more to your SATA controller chipset. Most chipsets assume that you'd only connect a harddrive and therefore only support harddrives. What is your SATA controller chipset? If you've got more than one kind have you tried on the other? BTW, I know this to be true because I wanted to buy a plextor CD drive and found out it was incompatible with my motherboards SATA chipsets :-( Amazing! My first response to this question out of all the times I've even brought it up! Thank you! lspci shows it as this; :01:0b.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) lsmod shows it loaded; libata 48068 2 sata_nv,sata_sil The board is an nforce2 Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe dmesg libata version 1.10 loaded. sata_sil version 0.8 ACPI: PCI interrupt :01:0b.0[A] - GSI 18 (level, high) - IRQ 217 ata1: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xF8AA4080 ctl 0xF8AA408A bmdma 0xF8AA4000 irq 217 ata2: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xF8AA40C0 ctl 0xF8AA40CA bmdma 0xF8AA4008 irq 217 ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[1-00:1023] GUID[00023c01510ef10c] ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[1-01:1023] GUID[000a2700141f1a42] ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node and resetting... ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[00e018b04941] eth1394: $Rev: 1224 $ Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] eth1394: eth1: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) eth1394: eth2: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host1) ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82: 83: 84: 85: 86: 87: 88:001f ata1: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/66 ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/66 scsi0 : sata_sil ieee1394: Node changed: 1-01:1023 - 1-00:1023 ieee1394: Node changed: 1-00:1023 - 1-01:1023 ata2: no device found (phy stat ) scsi1 : sata_sil Then there is this; (these should be my 3 ports on my flash card reader I think) cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: Generic Model: STORAGE DEVICE Rev: 0228 Type: Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 01 Vendor: Generic Model: STORAGE DEVICE Rev: 0228 Type: Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 02 Vendor: Generic Model: STORAGE DEVICE Rev: 0228 Type: Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 I have 2 DVD drives, the burner and the DVD rom on my IDE controller. I just can't seem to find the SATA DVD burner which I believe is due to it not being there. I'm kind of lost but I *think* it is just ignoring that its there. By the looks of it to me, it looks like it should be detecting just fine, giving me my sd* that I can use with it. But None of that seems to be happening. And I'm sort of lost. Thanks Again, -Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner
On Sunday 17 July 2005 09:54 pm, Mike wrote: roach wrote: SUPRISE! See somebody did answer. Now peel yourself off the floor and lets continue... I doubt very much that this is a problem with linux and relates more to your SATA controller chipset. Most chipsets assume that you'd only connect a harddrive and therefore only support harddrives. What is your SATA controller chipset? If you've got more than one kind have you tried on the other? BTW, I know this to be true because I wanted to buy a plextor CD drive and found out it was incompatible with my motherboards SATA chipsets :-( Amazing! My first response to this question out of all the times I've even brought it up! Thank you! lspci shows it as this; :01:0b.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) snip I have 2 DVD drives, the burner and the DVD rom on my IDE controller. I just can't seem to find the SATA DVD burner which I believe is due to it not being there. I'm kind of lost but I *think* it is just ignoring that its there. By the looks of it to me, it looks like it should be detecting just fine, giving me my sd* that I can use with it. But None of that seems to be happening. And I'm sort of lost. According to the July Maximum PC (page 62), There are issues with 3rd party SATA chips on motherboards when it comes to optical drives. The Silicon Image chip would be one of those. They did not have very good results with the Silicon Image 3112 or 3114 controllers. I assume you've visited this page? http://www.plextor.com/english/support/media_712SA.htm You may need to tweak your BIOS to get it to work. -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/darkaudit/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
