SOLVED Re: getting very hacked off debian-nimby
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:05:16 + Richard richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:43:15 + Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: snipped I upgraded from sid all of gnome to 3.2.1 , gnome-shell 3.2.1-8 Now it runs in fall back mode only, has anyone else found this ? I've tried looking in /var/log/gdm3, but its like looking in a haystack for a needle. ideas please Yes. Gnome3 requires hardware 3D acceleration, even if you only ever run a text editor. It has to be able to do the whizzy 3D effects with application windows that Windows users seem to require. Check to see whether your video hardware has drivers with 3D acceleration, and if so, that you have them installed, and if so, that you have them *enabled*. It was all enabled and still is, and it was all working before upgrading from gnome-shell 3.0.1 to gnome-shell 3.2.1-8 :( Thanks for the other info Joe The upgrade does not leave the installed nvidia 290 intact NAUGHTY ! the proprietary Nvidia driver has to be reloaded. NOTE it does leave the nvidia control application in the menus which says the driver is running. -- Happy Christmas and a Happy New Year Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: rich...@g8jvm.com or richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 on a Dual core AMD Athlon 5200, 4 GB RAM Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W 3 cms:5W ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111231105504.0fa86...@g8jvm.com
Re: SOLVED Re: getting very hacked off debian-nimby
On Sb, 31 dec 11, 10:55:04, Richard wrote: The upgrade does not leave the installed nvidia 290 intact NAUGHTY ! the proprietary Nvidia driver has to be reloaded. I'm guessing you are not using the Debian packaged nvidia driver, otherwise you wouldn't get such issues. More generally, whenever you install things outside Debian's package management you have to be prepared to fix things on the next upgrade. This is not to say that Debian's package management is flawless, but must of the upgrade bugs are caught before the release (usually even before testing migration). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: SOLVED Re: getting very hacked off debian-nimby
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:39:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 31 dec 11, 10:55:04, Richard wrote: The upgrade does not leave the installed nvidia 290 intact NAUGHTY ! the proprietary Nvidia driver has to be reloaded. I'm guessing you are not using the Debian packaged nvidia driver, otherwise you wouldn't get such issues. More generally, whenever you install things outside Debian's package management you have to be prepared to fix things on the next upgrade. This is not to say that Debian's package management is flawless, but must of the upgrade bugs are caught before the release (usually even before testing migration). Kind regards, Andrei Hi Andrei I did try within debian package management, But I could not get it to function, hence the fallback to the Nvidia proprietary driver. IF it would help get the debian packages to work, I could un-install the proprietary driver and try again with the debian packages. -- Happy New Year Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: rich...@g8jvm.com or richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 on a Dual core AMD Athlon 5200, 4 GB RAM Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W 3 cms:5W ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111231130124.710dd...@g8jvm.com
getting very hacked off debian-nimby
Hi just got blasted by the list politzi for posting on deb-boot. I re-enabled sid after a complete reload of wheezy to make sure my ex-friend could load without problems all the Ham apps he uses. After doing all the work for him , he says he's read the debian is no good as it needs lots of patches. I then got a load of diatribe, microsoft based. Felt like a black man in the presence of the head of the Klu Klux clan. Right one winge off my chest on to the next. I upgraded from sid all of gnome to 3.2.1 , gnome-shell 3.2.1-8 Now it runs in fall back mode only, has anyone else found this ? I've tried looking in /var/log/gdm3, but its like looking in a haystack for a needle. ideas please -- Happy Christmas and a Happy New Year Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: rich...@g8jvm.com or richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 on a Dual core AMD Athlon 5200, 4 GB RAM Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W 3 cms:5W ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111230150427.54c18...@g8jvm.com
Re: getting very hacked off debian-nimby
Richard wrote: Hi just got blasted by the list politzi for posting on deb-boot. You posted to linux.debian.devel.boot on a subject that has nothing to do with Debian boot development and were told so. snip -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jdkker$fhj$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: getting very hacked off debian-nimby
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:04:27 + Richard richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Hi just got blasted by the list politzi for posting on deb-boot. I re-enabled sid after a complete reload of wheezy to make sure my ex-friend could load without problems all the Ham apps he uses. After doing all the work for him , he says he's read the debian is no good as it needs lots of patches. I then got a load of diatribe, microsoft based. Two word reply: Patch Tuesday. On the second Tuesday of every month, MS releases its patches. They display no sense of urgency, and I've only ever known them to rush out a patch twice, and one of those occasions was for a years-old graphics file format which could contain and execute arbitrary code. MS, having designed that format, clearly knew this all along, and rushed out a patch when it became public knowledge. Find the current MS Patch Tuesday advisory, open each entry and count how many entries make use of the phrase 'remote code execution'. The current production Windows usually gets at least one a month fixed, often half a dozen. Your friend does have automatic updates enabled on his Windows machines, doesn't he? And patches for Windows applications other than Office (Java, Adobe Reader etc.) are in addition to these, whereas all Debian packages are upgraded through the same process at the same time. How often do Windows anti-virus packages update? How many times *each* *day*? Next, MS do not produce an equivalent to sid. At least, there is no publicly available equivalent and I do not believe MS would devote the necessary resources to maintaining a continuously-usable (sometimes only just) alpha OS. There is not even an in-place upgrade available from the 2003 (XP-based) to the 2008/11 (Vista/W7-based) OSes. MS does usually make the beta of the next production version available, but few people outside the MS equivalent of Linux newsgroups choose to use it. Your friend should run a beta Windows from its first availability to compare it with Testing, currently wheezy. Right one winge off my chest on to the next. I upgraded from sid all of gnome to 3.2.1 , gnome-shell 3.2.1-8 Now it runs in fall back mode only, has anyone else found this ? I've tried looking in /var/log/gdm3, but its like looking in a haystack for a needle. ideas please Yes. Gnome3 requires hardware 3D acceleration, even if you only ever run a text editor. It has to be able to do the whizzy 3D effects with application windows that Windows users seem to require. Check to see whether your video hardware has drivers with 3D acceleration, and if so, that you have them installed, and if so, that you have them *enabled*. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111230194315.32432...@jretrading.com
Re: getting very hacked off debian-nimby
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:43:15 + Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: snipped I upgraded from sid all of gnome to 3.2.1 , gnome-shell 3.2.1-8 Now it runs in fall back mode only, has anyone else found this ? I've tried looking in /var/log/gdm3, but its like looking in a haystack for a needle. ideas please Yes. Gnome3 requires hardware 3D acceleration, even if you only ever run a text editor. It has to be able to do the whizzy 3D effects with application windows that Windows users seem to require. Check to see whether your video hardware has drivers with 3D acceleration, and if so, that you have them installed, and if so, that you have them *enabled*. It was all enabled and still is, and it was all working before upgrading from gnome-shell 3.0.1 to gnome-shell 3.2.1-8 :( Thanks for the other info Joe -- Happy Christmas and a Happy New Year Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: rich...@g8jvm.com or richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 on a Dual core AMD Athlon 5200, 4 GB RAM Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W 3 cms:5W ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111230230516.306fa...@g8jvm.com
