Re: [OT] Good book about GNU/Linux structure
Old question, but ... on Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 09:56:49PM +0200, Nobrin ;- ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Great! That's what I'm looking for. Do you know any text about this? Kernighan Pike's _The UNIX Programming Environment_, Prentice Hall, 1985 (or thereabouts) is a dated but very good reference on the fundamental Unix philosophy (which of course carries over to GNU/Linux). I recommend it though much of the specifics have changed, because if you grok the fundamentals, you can pretty much work out everything else. Otherwise, _Running Linux_ is probably among the more useful general books since. Thanks! ps The idea of linux from scratch is great too. Hi Norbin, here is a simplified view on unix: hardware-kernel-modules-kernel-libraries-applications/servers harware(screen,mouse,hard drive,modem...) kernel modules allow the kernel to communicate with hardware the kernel controls the hardware and communicates with libraries libraries contain common functions or logic that program need applications do what you want(edit document,read mail) servers do thing that need to be done without interventions like printing, apache, disk io, swapping ... -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Ahh the price of entropy! Too bad markets don't yet exist for this all-important commodity. - Brad DeLong's Semi-Daily Journal - discussion of datamining and privacy. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Good book about GNU/Linux structure
Great! That's what I'm looking for. Do you know any text about this? Thanks! ps The idea of linux from scratch is great too. Hi Norbin, here is a simplified view on unix: hardware-kernel-modules-kernel-libraries-applications/servers harware(screen,mouse,hard drive,modem...) kernel modules allow the kernel to communicate with hardware the kernel controls the hardware and communicates with libraries libraries contain common functions or logic that program need applications do what you want(edit document,read mail) servers do thing that need to be done without interventions like printing, apache, disk io, swapping there is also a desktop view: video hardware-video kernel modules-kernel-x libs-x server(xfree/xorg)-display manager-window manager x libs include kde,qt and gnome libs. there are tool kits for the window managers to draw widgets and keep track of windows display managers are xdm,gdm,kdm. this allow you to login to the desktop environment like twm,gnome,kde windowmanagers keep track of the windows and give them the 'buttons, 'borders' and 'arrow'. there is also a unix/pc boot process: power on- bios-kernel-hardware/hard disk detection- sysv init system-start servers-console login cheers, Kev -- counter.li.org #238656 -- goto counter.li.org and be counted! `$' $' $ $ _ ,d$$$g$ ,d$$$b. $,d$$$b`$' g$b $,d$$b ,$P' `$ ,$P' `Y$ $$' `$ $ ' `$ $$' `$ $$ $ $$g$ $ $ $ ,$P $ $$ `$g. ,$$ `$$._ _. $ _,g$P $ `$b. ,$$ $$ `Y$$P'$. `YP $$$P' ,$. `Y$$P'$ $. ,$. BodyID:111496.2.n.logpart (stored separately)
[OT] Good book about GNU/Linux structure
I would like to read an in depth book about GNU/Linux structure. I mean, about how the parts works together in the big picture. I wouldn't like a book about vi, emacs, bash, awk, iptables rules and so on, because it would just give some hints about these topics (about them entire books have been written). After the reading, I would like to be able to say what will work and what won't removing particular pieces from GNU/Linux (and so, to understand reasons behind problems). Any advice?
Re: [OT] Good book about GNU/Linux structure
I haven't read their book, but I mean to someday... There is no learning experience like doing... http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/whatislfs.html the book: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ or http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/stable/ Nobrin ;-\ wrote: I would like to read an in depth book about GNU/Linux structure. I mean, about how the parts works together in the big picture. I wouldn't like a book about vi, emacs, bash, awk, iptables rules and so on, because it would just give some hints about these topics (about them entire books have been written). After the reading, I would like to be able to say what will work and what won't removing particular pieces from GNU/Linux (and so, to understand reasons behind problems). Any advice? -- ~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~` Michael Z Daryabeygi Database Applications Developer Sligo Computer Services Co-op www.sligowebworks.com 301.270.9673 x 304 ~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~` -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Good book about GNU/Linux structure
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 05:58:21PM +0200, Nobrin ;- wrote: I would like to read an in depth book about GNU/Linux structure. I mean, about how the parts works together in the big picture. http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Reading-List-HOWTO/ -- Adam Fabian [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Good book about GNU/Linux structure
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 05:58:21PM +0200, Nobrin ;- wrote: I would like to read an in depth book about GNU/Linux structure. I mean, about how the parts works together in the big picture. I wouldn't like a book about vi, emacs, bash, awk, iptables rules and so on, because it would just give some hints about these topics (about them entire books have been written). After the reading, I would like to be able to say what will work and what won't removing particular pieces from GNU/Linux (and so, to understand reasons behind problems). Any advice? Hi Norbin, here is a simplified view on unix: hardware-kernel-modules-kernel-libraries-applications/servers harware(screen,mouse,hard drive,modem...) kernel modules allow the kernel to communicate with hardware the kernel controls the hardware and communicates with libraries libraries contain common functions or logic that program need applications do what you want(edit document,read mail) servers do thing that need to be done without interventions like printing, apache, disk io, swapping there is also a desktop view: video hardware-video kernel modules-kernel-x libs-x server(xfree/xorg)-display manager-window manager x libs include kde,qt and gnome libs. there are tool kits for the window managers to draw widgets and keep track of windows display managers are xdm,gdm,kdm. this allow you to login to the desktop environment like twm,gnome,kde windowmanagers keep track of the windows and give them the 'buttons, 'borders' and 'arrow'. there is also a unix/pc boot process: power on- bios-kernel-hardware/hard disk detection- sysv init system-start servers-console login cheers, Kev -- counter.li.org #238656 -- goto counter.li.org and be counted! `$' $' $ $ _ ,d$$$g$ ,d$$$b. $,d$$$b`$' g$b $,d$$b ,$P' `$ ,$P' `Y$ $$' `$ $ ' `$ $$' `$ $$ $ $$g$ $ $ $ ,$P $ $$ `$g. ,$$ `$$._ _. $ _,g$P $ `$b. ,$$ $$ `Y$$P'$. `YP $$$P' ,$. `Y$$P'$ $. ,$. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: WAS A good book on C programming, now an APPOLOGY
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:45:15 -0600 Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 15:43, Gavin Henry wrote: --snip-- What is Fedora then? --snip-- Fedora is for people who don't know any better. Those who do know better, of course, use Debian. :) And not to imply that some frequenters of other GNU/Linux distro lists are arrogant assholes of course (though they are :), anyone who flames you for asking about this is not a GNU/Linux list should be shot. I honestly don't believe that you'd ever get that sort of a response on this list. In my 2 years on this list, I've seen some of the nicest, kindest, and most helpful people anywhere. Unfortunately, in the world of GNU/Linux, this seems to be the exception, and not the rule. (And I'm sure RMS would be grinning ear-to-ear if he saw all these references to GNU/Linux instead of just plain old Linux. :) Again, sorry to waste everyones time, but you have all helped me out. No need to apologize to us. I don't want to speak for the whole list, but I found the thread quite useful actually. :) So did I. After Python or/and Ruby, and then maybe lisp for something different, I'm looking at C++ myself. I've now got a 'Programming'mail folder full of book references, with the odd ISBN even. Thanks for asking the question. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A good book on C Programming?
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Gavin Henry wrote: I need some good books. I used to have one called A Book On C, but sold it, and I have been reading various tutorials on the web and the many devoted websites. Anyone have any recommendations? Well, the definitive ones are written by Kernighan and Ritchie (for C) and by Stroustrup (for C++), but I wouldn't recommend those for a refresher session. I found the C Primer Plus and C++ Primer Plus books by Mitchell Waite and Stephen Prata very accessible and thorough. I can really recommend those. After reading them please do pick up the KR or S books for the more in-depth knownledge if you feel you need it. One more question, should I go for C or C++? Which will benefit me more with GNU/Linux? There is no good answer to that one. Most GNU/Linux software is written in plain C, the main exception being all the Qt stuff. I tend to use C as I like it better, but for the few large projects I did I chose C++ because I feel that OOP lends itself better for that (reusablilty and so on). However there have been fought mighty flame-wars over that so don't just take my word for it... HTH Grx HdV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A good book on C Programming?
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 08:37:56PM +, Gavin Henry wrote: I need some good books. I used to have one called A Book On C, but sold it, and I have been reading various tutorials on the web and the many devoted websites. Anyone have any recommendations? There's a book called The GNU C Programming Tutorial. The thing was never published, but it is available in several formats on my website at: http://www.crasseux.com/books/ You can also look at the book that it was based on, which was called C Programming Tutorial at: http://www.iu.hio.no/~mark/CTutorial/CTutorial.html These should be enough to learn most of the basics. One more question, should I go for C or C++? Which will benefit me more with GNU/Linux? The kernel is written in C. Most software is written in C. There are some exceptions. Qt software is written in C++. I think mozilla is also written in C++. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: WAS A good book on C programming, now an APPOLOGY
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:43:35 +, Gavin Henry wrote: Again, sorry to waste everyones time, but you have all helped me out. Don't you be concerned about it, buddy. There exist some really pathetic anal retentive people who probably don't get out much and have never had a girlfriend or boyfriend because they have zero personality. BTW, another good Unix C programing book is Brian Kernighan's and Rob Pik's The UNIX Programming Environment. A good companion to the KR C Programming Language. -- paul It's working as coded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A good book on C Programming?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, During my degree, BEng (Hons) Electronics and Communications Engineering, we did C programming every year, but I never kept it up, as I had no interest and didn't see the point. But now I really want to get back into it as I see a point with GNU/Linux. I want to get my old skills back and write something or help on some projects etc. I need some good books. I used to have one called A Book On C, but sold it, and I have been reading various tutorials on the web and the many devoted websites. Anyone have any recommendations? One more question, should I go for C or C++? Which will benefit me more with GNU/Linux? Thanks for your time, Gavin. - -- Regards http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://www.suretecsystems.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/7e2kgNqd7Kng8UoRAiSzAJ9cpAefgtlMayXz3UaW999E1/M7aACdGAA2 dwjJnn4WF/VnsU5HntTgHJM= =IhAs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A good book on C Programming?
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Gavin Henry wrote: Anyone have any recommendations? The C Programming Language by KR http://tinyurl.com/3abhn -- [ Russ Schneider (a.k.a. Sugapablo) ] [ http://www.sugapablo.com --music ] [ http://www.sugapablo.net --personal ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] --jabber IM ] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A good book on C Programming?
Thus spake Gavin Henry: I need some good books. I used to have one called A Book On C, but sold it, and I have been reading various tutorials on the web and the many devoted websites. Anyone have any recommendations? I always suggest picking up a copy of The C Programming Language by Kernighan and Ritchie. That's the classic C book that I think everyone should have. If you decide to go with C++, then you should pick up a copy of The C++ Programming Language by Bjarne Stroustrup -- it's the tome for C++. One more question, should I go for C or C++? Which will benefit me more with GNU/Linux? It sort of depends on what you want to do. The Linux kernel, most system libraries, and GNOME/GTK+ applications use C. KDE/Qt applications use C++. -- Nathan Poznick [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only way you can do that [decrease taxes, balance the budget, and increase military spending] is with mirrors, and that's what it would take. - John B. Anderson signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: A good book on C Programming?
You really need more than one book if you want the resources at hand to help with resolving problems Practical C++ Programming, by Steve Oualline, published by O'Reilly is a good mid-level text that is quite approachable; The C++ Programming Language by Stroustrup, published by Addison Wesley is authoritative, complete, interesting, but not always readily accessible; C++: The Core Language, by Satir and Brown, published by O'Reilly can help you with a good foundation; The C++ Standard Library is an outstanding and authoritative library reference; Mastering Algorithms with C, by Loudon, published by O'Reilly shows a bunch of programming techniques for attaching different problems; GNU C++ For Linux is a little less weighty and assumes less knowledge of the subject, but I was left with an impression of the author spending too much energy trying to insert himself personally into the text; C++: The Complete Reference by Schildt, published by McGraw-Hill. I have found this text often to be useful, but others have complained mightily about it As to the question of c or c++, I would suggest you plan to end up at c++ Lite, but start with a core of c and only build out as you need to. Hopefully this will help you from getting too much indigestion! -- David richSOB.com -Original Message- From: Gavin Henry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A good book on C Programming? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, During my degree, BEng (Hons) Electronics and Communications Engineering, we did C programming every year, but I never kept it up, as I had no interest and didn't see the point. But now I really want to get back into it as I see a point with GNU/Linux. I want to get my old skills back and write something or help on some projects etc. I need some good books. I used to have one called A Book On C, but sold it, and I have been reading various tutorials on the web and the many devoted websites. Anyone have any recommendations? One more question, should I go for C or C++? Which will benefit me more with GNU/Linux? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A good book on C Programming?
Gavin Henry wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, During my degree, BEng (Hons) Electronics and Communications Engineering, we did C programming every year, but I never kept it up, as I had no interest and didn't see the point. But now I really want to get back into it as I see a point with GNU/Linux. I want to get my old skills back and write something or help on some projects etc. I need some good books. I used to have one called A Book On C, but sold it, and I have been reading various tutorials on the web and the many devoted websites. Anyone have any recommendations? One more question, should I go for C or C++? Which will benefit me more with GNU/Linux? Thanks for your time, Gavin. - -- Regards http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://www.suretecsystems.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/7e2kgNqd7Kng8UoRAiSzAJ9cpAefgtlMayXz3UaW999E1/M7aACdGAA2 dwjJnn4WF/VnsU5HntTgHJM= =IhAs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Hi, I mostly program in C and if u have some background in programming I would definitely recommend Kernighan Ritchie. I don't know about C++ being useful or not. I find it a bit bulky. For C++ I mostly use web references. Thanks Panda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A good book on C Programming?
Hi, Gavin... On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 08:37:56PM +, Gavin Henry wrote: During my degree, BEng (Hons) Electronics and Communications Engineering, we did C programming every year, but I never kept it up, as I had no interest and didn't see the point. Lucky you. I studied computer science and never learned C there. But I was arrogant enough to ignore the lessons they tried to teach me Pascal, Miranda and Scheme and instead spent my time home alone to learn C and Perl. ;) But now I really want to get back into it as I see a point with GNU/Linux. I want to get my old skills back and write something or help on some projects etc. I need some good books. [...] There is a standard book that is often recommended. I bought the book and second that. It's called Advanced Programming in the UNIX environment. If you know a little about programming in general and have a little experience in the basics of UNIX/Linux you will find this book useful. ISBN: 0-201-56317-7. The price is a little scary. :) One more question, should I go for C or C++? Which will benefit me more with GNU/Linux? Both can be used well. It's more a matter of taste. Most programs are still done in C. However when it comes to object-orientation C is a little limited. C++ goes beyond that. I personally was scared away from C++ and still use C for projects I want other people to use and Perl for personal projects and daily system administration. You will probably find many people that will prefer C++ over C. By the way... in my opinion you can also learn much from other people's source code. So starting to help in other projects or to just wade through an interesting little tool's sources will light a few bulbs, too. Christoph -- ~ ~ .signature [Modified] 3 lines --100%--3,41 All -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WAS A good book on C programming, now an APPOLOGY
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Everyone, I was had this pointed out to me, by Simon Perreault [EMAIL PROTECTED] (with my reply): On Saturday 27 Dec 2003 8:49 pm, you wrote: 1) Please do not cross-post. (This means sending the same message to many lists.) OK, guilty, but I wanted a varied response, as different people subscribe to different lists. 2) Please stay on topic. This has nothing to do with Fedora. Fedora is GNU/Linux, there are C programmers, like you that use Fedora, and it is a general discussion list. What's the problem? I'm not asking for money for for you to join some crazy scheme. This kind of attitude annoys me about GNU/Linux, I am not wasting anyones time, so I don't see what the problem is. And his last reply: On December 27, 2003 16:11, you wrote: This kind of attitude annoys me about GNU/Linux, I am not wasting anyones time, so I don't see what the problem is. Yes, you are wasting time (and bandwidth, as there are some people on very slow connections) when you are not on topic. This list is not even about GNU/Linux, it is about Fedora. General Linux questions do not belong here. This is Fedora-related stuff only. There are tons of Linux and C mailing lists. This is a quick lesson (that everyone must learn, I did too) on netiquette. You should Google a bit on that topic, particularly on stuff related to mailing lists. I am sorry if I have wasted everyones time and bandwidth, but I have spent the last 3 days searching for up to date links and book reviews, some things you never find, like the website: http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/ recommended by another user. I admit, I have cross posted, as I not only use Fedora, but Debian, SUSE and Gentoo. These are all different distro's with different user bases. I wanted to get a good feel of what are good texts from all the C programmers out their. I didn't get a response like above from anyone else. Even Alan Cox replied to me. What I don't understand is, and I quote, This list is not even about GNU/Linux, it is about Fedora. What is Fedora then? Again, sorry to waste everyones time, but you have all helped me out. Gavin. - -- Regards http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://www.suretecsystems.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/7f0HgNqd7Kng8UoRAioRAJ4ys292x73J7A+MDvNoGYkH00twVACeJp13 ci6LTEetGcQ+0PmWTcCxSOU= =+KPK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A good book on C Programming?
C: Learning As others have pointed out, KR. Avoid common pitfalls: Summit: C Programming FAQs (Addison Wesley) Van der Linden: Expert C Programming (Prentice Hall) Fun: Feuer: C Puzzle Book (Addison Wesley) As a reference: Harbison/Steel: C - A Reference Manual (Prentice Hall) Algorithms: Sedgewick: Algorithms in C (Addison Wesley); also available ... in C++ C++: Avoid common pitfalls: Meyers: Efficient C++; More Efficient C++ (Addison Wesley) Unix/Linux environment: Stephens: Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment (Addison Wesley) Matthew/Stones: Beginning Linux Programming (Wrox) Johnson/Troan: Linux Application Development (Addison Wesley) Have fun -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A good book on C Programming?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you all!!! I had best get to work reading and coding :-) Gavin. - -- Regards http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://www.suretecsystems.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/7g54gNqd7Kng8UoRAnQsAJ4nd/K/y0XGHHpH/0Hm+c0304hPAgCgmYjP kK3HBDSsQWHydsU2ubJjFDE= =njA/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WAS A good book on C programming, now an APPOLOGY
On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 15:43, Gavin Henry wrote: --snip-- What is Fedora then? --snip-- Fedora is for people who don't know any better. Those who do know better, of course, use Debian. :) And not to imply that some frequenters of other GNU/Linux distro lists are arrogant assholes of course (though they are :), anyone who flames you for asking about this is not a GNU/Linux list should be shot. I honestly don't believe that you'd ever get that sort of a response on this list. In my 2 years on this list, I've seen some of the nicest, kindest, and most helpful people anywhere. Unfortunately, in the world of GNU/Linux, this seems to be the exception, and not the rule. (And I'm sure RMS would be grinning ear-to-ear if he saw all these references to GNU/Linux instead of just plain old Linux. :) Again, sorry to waste everyones time, but you have all helped me out. No need to apologize to us. I don't want to speak for the whole list, but I found the thread quite useful actually. :) -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Good Book on dselect
Anyone know of a good book on dselect? -- __ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Book on dselect
On Wednesday 27 November 2002 18:29, Dominic Iadicicco wrote: Here the only one i could find you may need a translator to read it. dselect -- Pierre webmaster of. http://www.linux411.net your help with linux http://www.linux411.org your software and forum resources http://www.cecug.info Child abuse prevention http://www.cecugfile.net another depot. http://www.cecug.net our web service and shell account for irc dselect.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: Good Book on dselect
Dominic Iadicicco wrote: Anyone know of a good book on dselect? -- Just ask here. As root: # dselect Select the Access method (only needs to be done very infrequently). Use apt to get packages from the net. Select Update to download a list of online packages (needed infrequently). Select Select to see the list of packages. Cursor (PGUP/PGDOWN) keys moves screen up and down the list. Press i to see more detailed info of a package. Enter /keyword to find packages with what you want. Press / to find the next result. Press + to select, or - to uninstall. Follow directions from then on. Press ? for help. To exit(quit) out a menu, press x. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
good book
Hi, I'm about to buy the book Professional Linux Programming -- by Neil Matthew and Richard Stones. I'd like to learn programming under linux (some basic skills I already have) and then develop Gnome (oaf) application. But the Gnome is now going to its version 2, so is this book good choice? Should I wait for revised version or start learning with it, and hope that changes in version 2 will not be big? Mirek Dobsicek
Re: good book
Mirek Dobsicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/12/2001 (19:04) : Hi, I'm about to buy the book Professional Linux Programming -- by Neil Matthew and Richard Stones. Which programming language do you want to use? -- Preben Randhol --- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ -- «For me, Ada95 puts back the joy in programming.»
Re: good book
Just C/C++ I usually mix them together. For GUI is more suitable C++ and I'm used to write my action rutines in C Mirek Dobsicek ps: maybe I need to get rid of this bad habbit of mixing Preben Randhol wrote: Mirek Dobsicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/12/2001 (19:04) : Hi, I'm about to buy the book Professional Linux Programming -- by Neil Matthew and Richard Stones. Which programming language do you want to use?
Good Book for setting up T-1?
Hello all, I have been using deb linux for some 5 years now and am quite happy with it. It has been a webserver for me for only 1 of those years and that is on a DSL. As it trns out, some of the people I've done some contract work with wish to install a t1 line and run debian as the OS on all the systems. Anyone have a line on some good documentation on how do go about this? I know some additional hardware is needed, and here's what I want. Two nameservers, one webserver, and a mail server right off the bat. We wish to have access to all the machines on a 24H basis for peace of mind - why we don't use a hosting service. Anyway, I have not done this before... maybe someone could point me in the direction of a list of hardware needed.. CSU/DSU, routers, etc... Thanks, Jack
Re: Good Book for setting up T-1?
Anyway, I have not done this before... maybe someone could point me in the direction of a list of hardware needed.. CSU/DSU, routers, etc... Thanks, Jack Well, You can get a small Cisco router, say a 1600 series with a WIC card that has an integrated CSU/DSU. You just plug the T1 line directly into the card. It will be farily simple to configure, as a matter of fact, the provider may be able to give you a sample config for it or even provide the router. A 1600 series router is about the same size as a standard DSL or cable modem box.
Re: Good Book for setting up T-1?
i think your best off contacting your local telco company and asking them what they reccomend as far as CSU/DSU, and as far as routers, depends on your needs, i usually use cisco 2500 series for t1s. and i'd probably reccomend having the telco setup the CSU/DSU and have your isp setup the router. make it easier and much faster. i run an isp that used to run offa t1(now its colocated) and we did that ..worked fine for years. nate On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jack Hello all, jack I have been using deb linux for some 5 years now and am quite happy with it. It has been a webserver for me for only 1 of those years and that is on a DSL. As it trns out, some of the people I've done some contract work with wish to install a t1 line and run debian as the OS on all the systems. jack jack Anyone have a line on some good documentation on how do go about this? I know some additional hardware is needed, and here's what I want. Two nameservers, one webserver, and a mail server right off the bat. We wish to have access to all the machines on a 24H basis for peace of mind - why we don't use a hosting service. jack jack Anyway, I have not done this before... maybe someone could point me in the direction of a list of hardware needed.. CSU/DSU, routers, etc... jack Thanks, jack Jack jack jack jack -- jack Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null jack ::: http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:02am up 14 days, 17:58, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.02
Re: Good Book for setting up T-1?
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think your best off contacting your local telco company and asking them what they reccomend as far as CSU/DSU, and as far as routers, depends on your needs, i usually use cisco 2500 series for t1s. The 1600's are several hundreds of dollars cheaper. A 1601 is about $500 cheaper than a 2501.
Re: Good Book for setting up T-1?
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:59:32 PDT, George Bonser writes: On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think your best off contacting your local telco company and asking them what they reccomend as far as CSU/DSU, and as far as routers, depends on your needs, i usually use cisco 2500 series for t1s. The 1600's are several hundreds of dollars cheaper. A 1601 is about $500 cheaper than a 2501. and a 1601 is perfectly enough for a single T1, you don´t need the extra power of a 25xx for running a single line. Just make sure you go for a 1601_R_, not for an old CH-model. just my 2 cents, rw -- / Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: +43 1 89933 0 Fax x533 \ \KPNQwest/AT tech staff| Diefenbachg. 35 A-1150 Wien /
Re: Good Book for setting up T-1?
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been using deb linux for some 5 years now and am quite happy with it. It has been a webserver for me for only 1 of those years and that is on a DSL. As it trns out, some of the people I've done some contract work with wish to install a t1 line and run debian as the OS on all the systems. The hard part isn't setting up the Linux systems, it's setting up the T1. Once you have a plan in place for making that work, then worry about the hosts on the network. You already set up a webserver, so you know how to configure systems on the network. T1 gives you some advantages- you don't have to worry about DHCP or anything, you just set your IP address and leave it. If you have a whole class C network your DNS gets a lot simpler, otherwise you need some assistance from your upstream provider. You can still handle everything in 'yourdomain.com' fine but reverse DNS will not work. But the DNS HOWTO I believe has the trick for the reverse. Mail is easy to do too, you just have everyone deliver mail to the mailserver. To handle case of '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' you can either use an A record for 'yourdomain.com' pointing to the mail server, or you can use an MX record. Never use a CNAME for anything having to do with mail. Make sure your mail server knows it has to handle mail for 'host.yourdomain.com' as well as 'yourdomain.com'. Of course you will have to set up POP3 or IMAP, but these are not harder than installing any other program. Anyway, I have not done this before... maybe someone could point me in the direction of a list of hardware needed.. CSU/DSU, routers, etc... You'll need a router and a CSU/DSU. :} The Cisco 2500 series is the 'canonical' single T1 router. But you can do this with Linux, too, if you want. Total cost is about the same, the Cisco has better routing but a Linux system is more expandable and makes a much better firewall (get a cheap Pentium to do the routing, the expensive V.35 serial hardware will make up the difference in cost between the cheap PC and the more expensive Cisco). Bat Electronics CSU/DSU's are cheap (I paid like $400 for mine) and easy to set up, they have a RJ-45 on one side for the T1 and a V.35 serial port on the other to go to the router. The Bat CSU/DSU has a love it/hate it reputation - they have essentially no features and a high defect rate, but Bat will replace any defective ones and they are super cheap, and they do perform all the required functions for a simple setup. All my information dates from approximately 1997. At the time there were many T1 cards with integrated CSU/DSU's in development, but I didn't consider any of them quite ready for prime time yet. You might be able to save more money by finding one of them.
Re: Good Book for setting up T-1?
All my information dates from approximately 1997. At the time there were many T1 cards with integrated CSU/DSU's in development, but I didn't consider any of them quite ready for prime time yet. You might be able to save more money by finding one of them. Sangoma makes a capable T1 card with integrated CSU/DSU, I have used it in production. Debian contains the wanrouter package which contains the stuff to make it work and the Sangoma drivers are included in the Linux kernel, you just need to turn them on. The problem with that is when you use a Linux box for your WAN router, the network is only as reliable as the machine. If you should have to reboot it, the entire network is toast. I have found that you either get a router when you need a router, or set up a Linux box to do NOTHING but be a router, remove all hard disks and run out of an initrd image booted from cdrom. Don't forget to log to a remote system or your RAMDISK will fill up with log messages. The benefit of a router is that you have no disks, they tend to run for years and years. You might also try a firewall from someplace like Protectix ... they run Linux and boot from flash so there is no disk drive. I don't think they include a T1 option, though.
Re: good book to learn perl
On Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 08:39:01PM -0500, Tim Ayers wrote: I agree with others that 'Learning Perl' is the best book for people with little programming experiencing. Be certain to get the second edition that has been updated to Perl 5 (which is VERY different from Perl 4 that the first edition was based on.) Well, the book only covers the basic stuff which really hasn't changed much. I have the Llama 1st edition and have noticed very few changes in actually using Perl5 (mostly chop versus chomp). #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w #!/usr/bin/perl -w would be better on Debian. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome.
Re: good book to learn perl
Subject: Re: good book to learn perl Date: Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 08:36:49AM -0600 In reply to:Dave Sherohman Quoting Dave Sherohman([EMAIL PROTECTED]): | Wayne Topa said: | I sure have found it that way. 99% of my books are ordered from | bookpool. | | I've had Very Bad Experiences with bookpool - lousy service (particularly in | dealing with backorders), slow (and expensive) shipping... I placed one | order with them and will never do it again. I find shipping costs the same as Amazon since they added Priorty mail to their options. They always beat or match Amazon on price and, as I am in an adjacent State, my orders get here pretty quick. I tend to order books which are in stock, so don't have backorder problems. YMMV -- Micro Credo: Never trust a computer bigger than you can lift. ___
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Subject: Re: good book to learn perl Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 03:37:13PM +0200 In reply to:Shaul Karl Quoting Shaul Karl([EMAIL PROTECTED]): | | saw a few on amazon ..not a whole lot of reader reviews of them tho | | | Isn't www.bookpool.com generally cheaper then amazon ? I sure have found it that way. 99% of my books are ordered from bookpool. -- Windows is a multi-tasking OS: Do one task, reboot, do another task, reboot... ___
Re: good book to learn perl
Wayne Topa said: I sure have found it that way. 99% of my books are ordered from bookpool. I've had Very Bad Experiences with bookpool - lousy service (particularly in dealing with backorders), slow (and expensive) shipping... I placed one order with them and will never do it again. For technical books, I go with fatbrain.com. Costs a little more, but they have a much better selection and get it out a lot faster. (And a lower shipping cost at least partially offsets the higher book price.) -- Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P L++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- !V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv- b++ DI D G e* h+ r++ y+
Re: good book to learn perl
I have Perl Cookbook ISBN 1-56592-243-3. Here is the blurb on the back cover: i would tend to recommend the oreilly learning perl for a novice. just read a chapter a night and do the excercises and in a week you should no 90% of the perl you're likely to need. if you need more after that the perl cookbook or the camel book should do you fine as a reference. Try bn.com as well as Amazon: their prices vary. better yet try www.dealpilot.com. you put in the book you want, and where you live and it goes and queries all the major online sellers and tells you who's the cheapest (including shipping which is useful when you live in alaska :-) and how long it'll take each company to actually deliver etc. it's a cool service. adam.
Re: good book to learn perl
Also available from O'Reilly is the Perl CD Bookshelf. It's 6 books in html format on one cd. You get: Learning Perl Learning Perl on Win32 Systems Programming Perl Advanced Perl Programming Perl Cookbook Perl in a Nutshell ... all in html format, plus a bonus dead tree copy of Perl in a Nutshell. IMO pretty good value if you don't mind reading from your PC - costs less than if you bought paper versions of both Learning Perl and Programming Perl. (I dont work for O'Reilly, but I do enjoy their books ;) Matthew Adam Shand wrote: I have Perl Cookbook ISBN 1-56592-243-3. Here is the blurb on the back cover: i would tend to recommend the oreilly learning perl for a novice. just read a chapter a night and do the excercises and in a week you should no 90% of the perl you're likely to need. if you need more after that the perl cookbook or the camel book should do you fine as a reference. Try bn.com as well as Amazon: their prices vary. better yet try www.dealpilot.com. you put in the book you want, and where you live and it goes and queries all the major online sellers and tells you who's the cheapest (including shipping which is useful when you live in alaska :-) and how long it'll take each company to actually deliver etc. it's a cool service. adam. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: good book to learn perl
Don't forget the perl manpages! I've found they contain about 80% of the same text that is in the Camel Book (_Programming Perl_), plus a few things that aren't in that book. There are something like 40 different manuals on different aspects of Perl there! Admittedly, it's not as easy as having a book in front of you though. -- ++ | Eric G. Milleregm2@jps.net | | GnuPG public key: http://www.jps.net/egm2/gpg.asc | ++
Re: good book to learn perl
This is probably more than people wanted to know, but... N == aphro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: N can anyone reccomend a good book so i can start the task of learning perl N ? :) N i have virtually no programming experience, although i have managed to N hack some perl scripts up at times. I agree with others that 'Learning Perl' is the best book for people with little programming experiencing. Be certain to get the second edition that has been updated to Perl 5 (which is VERY different from Perl 4 that the first edition was based on.) I haven't seen the second edition so I don't know how Randal starts it off but in case he doesn't or for those who learn from the man pages or by looking at scripts I will give an unsolicited edict: Start every program with #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w use strict; use diagnostics; The '-w' turns on warnings. This catches a lot of bad practices before they become bad habits. The 'use strict;' catches a bunch more bad things. The 'use diagnostics;' provides detailed descriptions of what you might have done wrong to cause the warning or error, which is great for learning. But comment out or remove the 'use diagnostics;' before you put your script into production because it really slows the program down. Finally for people that are experienced programmers that want to learn Perl I would recommend AGAINST Learning Perl and recommend Perl: The Programmer's Companion by Nigel Chapman. For experienced programmers Learning Perl moves very slowly and barely touches interesting material. Programmer's Companion is just the opposite. HTH and Hope you have a very nice day, :-) Tim Ayers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Norman, Oklahoma
Re: good book to learn perl
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Tim Ayers wrote: I haven't seen the second edition so I don't know how Randal starts it off but in case he doesn't or for those who learn from the man pages or by looking at scripts I will give an unsolicited edict: Start every program with #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w Or /usr/bin/perl -w if you're using debian :-) -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: good book to learn perl
saw a few on amazon ..not a whole lot of reader reviews of them tho Isn't www.bookpool.com generally cheaper then amazon ?
good book to learn perl
can anyone reccomend a good book so i can start the task of learning perl ? :) saw a few on amazon ..not a whole lot of reader reviews of them tho i have virtually no programming experience, although i have managed to hack some perl scripts up at times. thanks! nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 11:07am up 93 days, 22:42, 1 user, load average: 1.79, 1.70, 1.73
Re: good book to learn perl
I have Perl Cookbook ISBN 1-56592-243-3. Here is the blurb on the back cover: Precious few books can meet the needs of novices and experts simultaneously. The Perl Cookbook does, and on nearly every page. It has the perfect mix of instruction, revelation, and attitude- exacly what I expected from Tom and Nat, pillars of the Perl community. - Jon Orwant, editor of The Perl Journal. Try bn.com as well as Amazon: their prices vary. Ian Stirling aphro wrote: can anyone reccomend a good book so i can start the task of learning perl ? :) saw a few on amazon ..not a whole lot of reader reviews of them tho i have virtually no programming experience, although i have managed to hack some perl scripts up at times. thanks! nate
Re: good book to learn perl
aphro wrote: can anyone reccomend a good book so i can start the task of learning perl ? :) saw a few on amazon ..not a whole lot of reader reviews of them tho i have virtually no programming experience, although i have managed to hack some perl scripts up at times. thanks! nate I'm far from an expert on the subject but as a fellow beginner I would recommend Learning Perl, Schwartz and Christiansen. Don't let chapter one bog you down. It's an introduction as the title implies:) Go to the library and check out a few and see what helps you. hth, kent
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can anyone reccomend a good book so i can start the task of learning perl ? :) Go with the O'Reilly Camel books - you can't go wrong with them. try: http://www.perl.com and: http://www.oreilly.com -Dave -- | oOOooO / --|oOobodoO/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] --| ooOoOo / | II / The wise man tells you where you have fallen | II / and where you may fall - Invaluable secrets.
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On Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 01:47:52PM -0600, ktb wrote: aphro wrote: can anyone reccomend a good book so i can start the task of learning perl ? :) recommend Learning Perl, Schwartz and Christiansen. Don't let chapter I second that recommendation . . . and once you get get good at it get the O'Reilly's Programming Perl, more in-depth. I tried to read Programming Perl first, but that was a mistake. Go with Learning Perl. -- Thank you, Joe Bouchard Powered by Debian/GNU Linux (Slink)
Re: good book to learn perl
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, aphro wrote: can anyone reccomend a good book so i can start the task of learning perl ? :) saw a few on amazon ..not a whole lot of reader reviews of them tho i have virtually no programming experience, although i have managed to hack some perl scripts up at times. thanks! nate The o'reilly learning perl books are excellent... if you want a perl Reference book the O'reilly Programming Perl is also unbeatable. Tooky
Re: Looking for a good book...
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Matthew Roberts wrote: I'm a Debian Newbie (just installed my first system yesterday). I'm looking for a good Linux book, preferably something specifically for Debian. I would like the purchase to benefit Debian. I saw the Debian User's Guide at debian.org. Is that basically all there is? If I buy it does any of the proceeds go to Debian? Matt, Debian specific books were recently discussed on this list. Please check the archives in the last two weeks for suggestions beyond those I offer here. Linux Press (www.linuxpress.com) has several books that are Debian specific: One I have first hand knowledge of is the Debian Linux User's Guide by Dale Scheetz. It comes with 4 Debian 2.1 CDs. It costs about $40. I have a copy of the 1.3 version that has proved useful with all versions of Debian since I bought it. It comes with 30 days of email support from the author. You will find that the many, many contributors to this list will help you as well. BTW: There is an html version that can be downloaded and used. Some one creating a .deb package of the book as well. There are some non-Debian specific books from O'Reilly: Mat Welch's Running Linux, Linux in a Nut Shell (brief command syntax) I seem to recall having heard about a Linux Administration, and there is Sobel's Hands On Linux, that deals with Caldera's version. I have several of these, use and like them. Dale has another book with Linux Press. Go to the web page and look at books. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (Thanks guys!)
Looking for a good book...
Hi, I'm a Debian Newbie (just installed my first system yesterday). I'm looking for a good Linux book, preferably something specifically for Debian. I would like the purchase to benefit Debian. I saw the Debian User's Guide at debian.org. Is that basically all there is? If I buy it does any of the proceeds go to Debian? Thanks, Matt
Re: Looking for a good book...
I found O'Reilly's book: Running Linux, written by Matt Welsh and Lar Kaufman a very useful book. It is not a specail debian book. It is about Linux in general. I am also quite new to Linux (my first contact with Linux was in februari of this year) and I have learned a lot from the book. I hope this helps and good luck, Robert-Jan On Fri, Apr 30, 1999 at 10:32:08AM -0500, Matthew Roberts wrote: Hi, I'm a Debian Newbie (just installed my first system yesterday). I'm looking for a good Linux book, preferably something specifically for Debian. I would like the purchase to benefit Debian. I saw the Debian User's Guide at debian.org. Is that basically all there is? If I buy it does any of the proceeds go to Debian? Thanks, Matt -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Good book
Can anyone recommend a good book for new Linux users? All the books in my local bookstore are Red Hat specific--I would like a good Debian or general Linux book. Thank you.
Re: Good book
On Sun, Aug 09, 1998 at 08:16:59PM -0400, Howard wrote: Can anyone recommend a good book for new Linux users? All the books in my local bookstore are Red Hat specific--I would like a good Debian or general Linux book. Thank you. _Running_Linux_ by Matt Welsh, published by O'Reilly. It's probably the most-recommended beginner/intermediate Linux book. It's not Debian-specific though, I remember it as being mostly distrib. neutral. Good luck!
Re: Good book
Hi, I think you might find the Linux Press debian manual to be of value. I bought it,however, I understand it is available online. You might also want to look at the Sobell book, he does write about caldera but his books are well done ---the lone gunman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 1998 at 08:16:59PM -0400, Howard wrote: Can anyone recommend a good book for new Linux users? All the books in my local bookstore are Red Hat specific--I would like a good Debian or general Linux book. Thank you. _Running_Linux_ by Matt Welsh, published by O'Reilly. It's probably the most-recommended beginner/intermediate Linux book. It's not Debian-specific though, I remember it as being mostly distrib. neutral. Good luck! -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null == Allan W. Bart, Jr. Strategic Analyst _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Good book
On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Howard wrote: Can anyone recommend a good book for new Linux users? All the books in my local bookstore are Red Hat specific--I would like a good Debian or general Linux book. Thank you. A practical guide to Linux, by Mark Sobell. It's good, and pretty non-dist specific. It has a cute penguin on the cover too :) HTH, Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
another good book
ok.. I got 2.0 installed and running. Can anyone recommend some good reading on basic programming? I have no knowledge aside from knowing a bash shell from a hole in the ground and I'd like to learn some basic skill so I can figure out how this thing works? thanks.
Re: another good book
On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, David Parmet wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:07:27 -0400 (EDT) From: David Parmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: another good book Can anyone recommend some good reading on basic programming? I have no knowledge aside from knowing a bash shell from a hole in the ground and I'd like to learn some basic skill so I can figure out how this thing works? Hi David Which book I would recommend depends on what language you want or need to program in. If C++ and you have limited programming skills, then I'd say buy Walt Savitch, Problem Solving with C++, AWL. Caveat: I ghost authored the recent revision with Walt's close supervision, so that really isn't blowing my own horn too much - we do use it in our course here at WCU. It has an annotated bibliography of books in programming in C++ that is pretty good. If you are already understand problem solving and need to learn C, this can be learned from the Kernighan and Ritchie, ANSI C language, from Prentice Hall, or one of the plethora of other C++ beginning programming books. Beware of books that deal with the synatx of a language without dealing with much programming. KR does not suffer from that problem. Frankly, for Debian or any Linux distribution, shell programming, Perl, and Java Script might be better places to put your effort. C and C++ will take a couple of years of part time effort to get really good at. Perl etc. perhaps less time. The hard part of learning to program well is problem solving, not learning the syntax of the language. Write me back and I'll send some recommendations on Perl. I'm sure the others on this list will have some further, excellent recommendations. --David --- LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [3456]86 PC's available NOW! David B Teague | Ask me how user interface copyrights software [EMAIL PROTECTED] | patents make programing a dangerous business.
Re: another good book
On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, David Parmet wrote: :Can anyone recommend some good reading on basic programming? I have no :knowledge aside from knowing a bash shell from a hole in the ground and :I'd like to learn some basic skill so I can figure out how this thing :works? Unix in a Nutshell is a must-have reference...there are quite a few good O'Reilly books. I also like Unix for the Impatient but don't recall the author or ISBN... --- At least they're EXPERIENCED incompetents D'jinnie/Jinn, encountered on IRC and select MU**. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: another good book
On 10-Aug-98 D'jinnie wrote: Unix in a Nutshell is a must-have reference...there are quite a few good O'Reilly books. I also like Unix for the Impatient but don't recall the author or ISBN... Paul W. Abrahams Bruce A. Larsen UNIX forthe Impatient 2nd Edn 1995, Addison Wesley ISBN 0-201-82376-4 Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10-Aug-98 Time: 19:01:22
Re: Any good book on numerical analysis?
hi, On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Dany Dionne wrote: Hi, I am a beginner in C/C++ and i search a book on numerical analysis. Anyone know a book accessible for me? I have the Numerical Recipies and i woulk like to have a book in C/C++ training me in numerical analysis. Thanks, Dany Dionne Barton and Nackman, Scientific and Engineering C++ OK -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Any good book on numerical analysis?
Hi, I am a beginner in C/C++ and i search a book on numerical analysis. Anyone know a book accessible for me? I have the Numerical Recipies and i woulk like to have a book in C/C++ training me in numerical analysis. Thanks, Dany Dionne -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
