Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-31 Thread Zoran Kolic
> And what if the system doesn't have an optical drive? Buying an external
> drive shouldn't be the easiest option.

I installed debian on headless server with no problem. No cd drive.
What should be a problem with usb stick in usb adapter?

> > nor does its owner have any friends with an optical drive
> > or Linux?

Some kind of knowledge is needed in any case. I know a lot of
people unable to install win, linux, name it.

> Then the hypothetical owner had better do some Googling for unetbootin or
> the like.

Searching the net helps a lot. I assume almost nothing not available
in forums, tutorials. Finally, irc channels are on hand.
Best regards

   Zoran


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-30 Thread Walter Hurry
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:45:28 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 01:22, Walter Hurry 
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:58:54 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:
>>
>>> And what if the system doesn't have an optical drive? Buying an
>>> external drive shouldn't be the easiest option.
>>
>> So this hypothetical system doesn't have Linux, nor does it have an
>> optical drive
> 
> Think about netbooks and ultraportables, which is shipped with Windows
> and no CD/DVD-drive. Not *that* hypothetical, right?
> 
>> nor does its owner have any friends with an optical drive or Linux?
> 
> That would of course be a solution. But that doesn't mean there
> shouldn't be suggested other solutions?
> 
>> Then the hypothetical owner had better do some Googling for unetbootin
>> or the like.
> 
> Which leads on to the topic the OP is complaining about: how to find
> that information. I might be stupid, but that search term didn't strike
> me as an obvious one. But I do thank you for that term, UNetbootin looks
> great.

Sorry for the prickly tone. I was not getting at you; just irritated by 
OP's attitude and evident inability to frame a question in a way likely 
to elicit helpful answers.



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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-30 Thread Per Carlson
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 01:22, Walter Hurry  wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:58:54 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:
>
>> And what if the system doesn't have an optical drive? Buying an external
>> drive shouldn't be the easiest option.
>
> So this hypothetical system doesn't have Linux, nor does it have an
> optical drive

Think about netbooks and ultraportables, which is shipped with Windows
and no CD/DVD-drive. Not *that* hypothetical, right?

> nor does its owner have any friends with an optical drive
> or Linux?

That would of course be a solution. But that doesn't mean there
shouldn't be suggested other solutions?

> Then the hypothetical owner had better do some Googling for unetbootin or
> the like.

Which leads on to the topic the OP is complaining about: how to find
that information. I might be stupid, but that search term didn't
strike me as an obvious one. But I do thank you for that term,
UNetbootin looks great.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-30 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:47:58 -0700, briand wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:23:23 + (UTC) Camaleón 
> wrote:

(...)

>> P.S. If you don't want to read, then reconsider using any linux
>> distribution. You will have to read a lot...
>> 
>> 
> only if you want to learn anything :-)

For those who neither want to learn, post scriptum still applies.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-29 Thread briand
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:23:23 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:16:12 +0200, Dirk wrote:
> 
> (...)
> 
> > someone point me to a fucking image for an USB stick before i install
> > windows and throw my shit out of the window... fucking shit...
> 
> (...)
> 
> Refrain your language :-/
> 
> Since Squeeze, Debian provides so called ISO hybrid images, you don't 
> need to do nothing special (beyond being reading-capable¹) to install the 
> ISO from an USB stick...
> 
> ¹http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
> 
> P.S. If you don't want to read, then reconsider using any linux 
> distribution. You will have to read a lot...
> 

only if you want to learn anything :-)

Brian


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-29 Thread Brian
On Thu 28 Jul 2011 at 23:12:32 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:

> Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will
> need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
> supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
> where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)
> 
> IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
> running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.

This doesn't sound unreasonable as a suggestion but the Installation
Manual may not be best place to put such hints. In the FAQ at

http://www.debian.org/CD/

there are sections for recording a CD-R under Windows and Mac OS so,
considering all the CD images are recordable to a USB stick, this may be
a more suitable document to offer any advice you think is useful.

I'd suggest you contact one of the mailing lists mentioned on that page
(debian-boot?) and make some proposals for improving the information for
users of other OSs wanting to put a Debian image on a USB medium.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE? Additional info.

2011-07-28 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20110729_111724, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 29/07/11 09:06, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > On 20110727_040721, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >> It also works with debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso
> >> I have looked into putting the installer on a USB device several times 
> >> in the past, but have always been put off by the perceived messyness
> >> of the process, like OP. The only slightly complex issue was putting
> >> the USB drive into the bios boot order list. This is not a complaint,
> >> but an indication of just how trivial the process actually is. 
> >>
> >> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?
> >> Or was there some feature in the debian-gnu-linux tool set that needed
> >> a rewrite? Not really important to get an answer, but it would be nice
> >> if all those out of date HOWTOs could somehow be hidden from view
> 
> You seem to be answering your own posts perhaps if you gave specific
> instances your complaints could be dealt with (post the URLs of the
> out-of-date Debian documentation).
> 
> >>, Or tagged with a note pointing to your email in debian lists archive.
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> > 
> > Unfortunately this result has proved to be unreproducible. In about a
> > dozen retries, some identical, some with minor variation, none has
> > worked at bringing up the installer splash screen. It is obvious to me
> > that there is something missing in my understanding of iso images on
> > usb drives. 
> 
> Yes. And as I noted in an earlier post there are some issues specific to
> certain BIOS. If you posted specific "information" you'd get specific
> help - that's what this list is good at.
> 
> > I'm dropping out of this discussion. 
> 
> Which is just rude - you complain and insist that things don't work. Are
> you a shill or a troll?
> 
> 
> 
> You modified the subject to "more info", yet provided no more information.
> 
> Cheers

I responded to my own post. I reported that it was in error. 
Readers of the archive should not send me email asking how exactly
I got it to work. (Which I had claimed in the post to which I was
responding) Short answer is: I didn't. 

It may not be valuable information to you. You already know that
everyone else on this list, myself included, is stupid and lazy.
But you knowing something isn't helpful to me, and I am tired of
the abuse. 

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE? Additional info.

2011-07-28 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 29/07/11 09:06, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20110727_040721, Paul E Condon wrote:
>> It also works with debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso
>> I have looked into putting the installer on a USB device several times 
>> in the past, but have always been put off by the perceived messyness
>> of the process, like OP. The only slightly complex issue was putting
>> the USB drive into the bios boot order list. This is not a complaint,
>> but an indication of just how trivial the process actually is. 
>>
>> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?
>> Or was there some feature in the debian-gnu-linux tool set that needed
>> a rewrite? Not really important to get an answer, but it would be nice
>> if all those out of date HOWTOs could somehow be hidden from view

You seem to be answering your own posts perhaps if you gave specific
instances your complaints could be dealt with (post the URLs of the
out-of-date Debian documentation).

>>, Or tagged with a note pointing to your email in debian lists archive.
>>
>> Thanks again
> 
> Unfortunately this result has proved to be unreproducible. In about a
> dozen retries, some identical, some with minor variation, none has
> worked at bringing up the installer splash screen. It is obvious to me
> that there is something missing in my understanding of iso images on
> usb drives. 

Yes. And as I noted in an earlier post there are some issues specific to
certain BIOS. If you posted specific "information" you'd get specific
help - that's what this list is good at.

> I'm dropping out of this discussion. 

Which is just rude - you complain and insist that things don't work. Are
you a shill or a troll?



You modified the subject to "more info", yet provided no more information.

Cheers


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-28 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 29/07/11 07:58, Per Carlson wrote:
> On 28 Jul 2011 23:31, "Walter Hurry"  wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:12:32 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
>>>  wrote:



>> Well, there are ways, but the best bet for most will be to download, burn
>> *and checksum* a live CD or a netinst CD, and boot from that.
> 
> And what if the system doesn't have an optical drive? Buying an external
> drive shouldn't be the easiest option.

It's not (the easiest option).
There are (at least) four other ways to install Debian without a CD -
and they all take less effort to do than complaining.


Install from an existing OS using a web based installer, debbootstrap,
use a PXE installer, use a USB device


> 
>> But the OP in this particular thread would be well advised to stick to
>> Windoze.


> 
> That's shouldn't stop Debian from being user friendly.

And you are welcome, indeed invited, to change that.
Consider that the purpose of Debian is *not* to soley serve your
"demands", and the nature of Debian is to allow you to "contribute" (not
whine) and modify it to suit your purposes. If you feel like returning
some of the benefits you gain from Debian - then documenting the
processes you learned is a nice idea. (put it on the wiki.debian.org)

> 
> --
> Pelle
> (written on a small screen device)
> 

Debian is a desktop, and it is for Windoof "users". What you clearly
don't understand that those things are a very, very, small part of what
Debian is.

Here's a good starting point:-
http://www.debian.org/intro/about

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-28 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 29/07/11 07:12, Per Carlson wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
>  wrote:
>> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en
> 
> Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will
> need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
> supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
> where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)

It's not "recursive". It's "nit-picking" (and it does smell). :-)

> 
> IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
> running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.
Which version of Windoof?
How about Plan 9, Oberon, AmigaOS, OS/2, and many, many others?
Should one particular piece of third-party software needed for a
non-Debian OS should be suggested over another? Those are all potential
problems with including the information you desire into that particular
piece of documentation.

The original complainer was not unable to find the answer - just too
lazy to filter and read. I agree that too much Debian related
information is (selfishly?) on personal websites and blogs *instead* of
on the main Debian site. The debian wiki is a good place for that -
provided any solutions given promote practices in keeping with the
Debian Social contract, standards and procedures.

1. Download a live CD.
2. Learn to use a search engine.
3. Contribute to the wiki.debian.org (please).
4. Realise that no matter how much you'd like it to be different - the
world owes you nothing, and knowledge comes from effort - not something
sprinkled on your breakfast cereal.

Sometimes the solution is not as "simple" as the question.

Hint: ask the "right question" in the "right way" and the answer is
easy. example queries that will get the answer:-
http://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+install+debian+from+a+usb+key
http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+installation+from+a+usb+stick
http://www.google.com/search?q=installing+debian+without+a+cdrom
or ask duckduckgo "how do i install debian from windows"


Cheers

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-28 Thread shawn wilson
On osx, the hardest part if running diskutil to find the device of the usb
drive. Then su and go.
On Jul 28, 2011 6:18 PM, "Rick Thomas"  wrote:
>
> On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Per Carlson wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
>>  wrote:
>>> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
>>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en
>>
>> Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will
>> need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
>> supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
>> where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)
>>
>> IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
>> running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.
>
> In Mac OS-X, it should be pretty straight-forward. E.g. the "dd"
> command exists in standard OS-X. There may be some tricks required to
> write directly to a USB stick device, but I'm guessing it's not
> impossible.
>
> But the real answer to your point is this: If you're thinking of
> running Linux, you probably have a friend who has Linux running.
> Friends are good things to have.
>
> Rick
>
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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-28 Thread Walter Hurry
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:58:54 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:

> And what if the system doesn't have an optical drive? Buying an external
> drive shouldn't be the easiest option.

So this hypothetical system doesn't have Linux, nor does it have an 
optical drive, nor does its owner have any friends with an optical drive 
or Linux?

Then the hypothetical owner had better do some Googling for unetbootin or 
the like.



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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE? Additional info.

2011-07-28 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20110727_040721, Paul E Condon wrote:
> It also works with debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso
> I have looked into putting the installer on a USB device several times 
> in the past, but have always been put off by the perceived messyness
> of the process, like OP. The only slightly complex issue was putting
> the USB drive into the bios boot order list. This is not a complaint,
> but an indication of just how trivial the process actually is. 
> 
> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?
> Or was there some feature in the debian-gnu-linux tool set that needed
> a rewrite? Not really important to get an answer, but it would be nice
> if all those out of date HOWTOs could somehow be hidden from view, Or
> tagged with a note pointing to your email in debian lists archive.
> 
> Thanks again

Unfortunately this result has proved to be unreproducible. In about a
dozen retries, some identical, some with minor variation, none has
worked at bringing up the installer splash screen. It is obvious to me
that there is something missing in my understanding of iso images on
usb drives. I'm dropping out of this discussion. Sorry for the noise.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-28 Thread Rick Thomas


On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Per Carlson wrote:


On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
 wrote:

Yes it's with the official documentation:-
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en


Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will
need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)

IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.


In Mac OS-X, it should be pretty straight-forward.  E.g. the "dd"  
command exists in standard OS-X.  There may be some tricks required to  
write directly to a USB stick device, but I'm guessing it's not  
impossible.


But the real answer to your point is this:  If you're thinking of  
running Linux, you probably have a friend who has Linux running.   
Friends are good things to have.


Rick


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-28 Thread Per Carlson
On 28 Jul 2011 23:31, "Walter Hurry"  wrote:
>
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:12:32 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
> >  wrote:
> >> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
> >> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en
> >
> > Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will need
> > a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
> > supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
> > where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)
> >
> > IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
> > running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.
>
> Well, there are ways, but the best bet for most will be to download, burn
> *and checksum* a live CD or a netinst CD, and boot from that.

And what if the system doesn't have an optical drive? Buying an external
drive shouldn't be the easiest option.

> But the OP in this particular thread would be well advised to stick to
> Windoze.

That's shouldn't stop Debian from being user friendly.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-28 Thread Walter Hurry
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:12:32 +0200, Per Carlson wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
>  wrote:
>> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en
> 
> Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will need
> a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
> supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
> where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)
> 
> IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
> running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.

Well, there are ways, but the best bet for most will be to download, burn 
*and checksum* a live CD or a netinst CD, and boot from that.

But the OP in this particular thread would be well advised to stick to 
Windoze.



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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-28 Thread Per Carlson
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:15, Scott Ferguson
 wrote:
> Yes it's with the official documentation:-
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en

Where the first sentence reads: "To prepare the USB stick, you will
need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is
supported.". So, to install Debian from an USB-stick you need a system
where Debian (for example) is installed. Smells recursion here :-)

IMHO there should be some hints what to do if the user currently is
running something else than GNU/Linux, like Windows or OS X.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-28 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 28/07/11 16:48, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20110727_234546, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> The official Debian howto have always been reliable - the signal to
> 
> I cannot find the official Debian howto. 

Why?
Seriously.
I'm sure the writers would love to work out a way to make their work
more accessible - just as many of the readers of this list would
appreciate *not* being asked the same question over and over. Change the
search query I provided to include the last year and see how many times
the exact same question has been asked.

Debian.org => Getting Debian => Installation Guide

Hand holding is one thing - spoon feeding is another.
Before you accuse me of not being helpful please consider the effort
that has been made to write the documentation - and measure it against
the effort you made to read it. The same documentation is available on
any of the install DVDs.

> Can you give a link to it? 

Yes it's with the official documentation:-
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en

> I think you are mistaken about there being an official Debian howto.

I disagree.

> I find many Debian howtos on many topics, many of which are related to
> installing Debian.
> 
>> noise ratio on the larger web is pretty poor (monkey see, monkey copy
>> and paste), especially when search terms are not tuned .
>> eg. to search these lists:-
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&tbs=qdr%3Am%2Clr%3Alang_1en&q=usb+install+site%3Alists.debian.org%2Fdebian-user+-dirk&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
> 
> On my machine, this link brings up pages full of links to individual
> emails in this present discussion. I would not say any of them is
> official Debian, especially the OP text.


"The larger web". (for those who eschew the official documentation)

Meaning that if people are too lazy to look on Debian.org, but motivated
to write to the list - the very least they could do is search the list.
I appreciate that some, for whatever reason, don't know how to do that -
so I've provided a custom search link.  I certainly would have expected
that you wouldn't need that assistance - it was written for search engines.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20110727_234546, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> The official Debian howto have always been reliable - the signal to

I cannot find the official Debian howto. Can you give a link to it?  I
think you are mistaken about there being an official Debian howto. I
find many Debian howtos on many topics, many of which are related to
installing Debian.

> noise ratio on the larger web is pretty poor (monkey see, monkey copy
> and paste), especially when search terms are not tuned .
> eg. to search these lists:-
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&tbs=qdr%3Am%2Clr%3Alang_1en&q=usb+install+site%3Alists.debian.org%2Fdebian-user+-dirk&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

On my machine, this link brings up pages full of links to individual
emails in this present discussion. I would not say any of them is
official Debian, especially the OP text.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Jul 2011 at 07:49:09 -0400, shawn wilson wrote:

> BTW, is there a command to see if an ISO can be dd'd to a drive like that
> and work? Ie, if I download the latest puppy, or slack, or or cent, or
> vyatta, or bill and Ted's most excellent linux distro ISO image, is there a
> better way to find out than just testing to see?

desktop:/home/brian# fdisk -l mini.iso
You must set cylinders.
You can do this from the extra functions menu.

Disk mini.iso: 0 MB, 0 bytes
64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 0 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 = 1048576 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x1a5eb4e6

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
mini.iso1   *   1  10   10240   17  Hidden HPFS/NTFS
mini.iso2  11  1771681  FAT12


desktop:/home/brian# fdisk -l tinycore_3.4.1.iso

Disk tinycore_3.4.1.iso: 0 MB, 0 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 0 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x

Disk tinycore_3.4.1.iso doesn't contain a valid partition table

mini.iso is an isohybrid. tinycore_3.4.1.iso isn't, but may be converted
to one with the isohybrid command from the syslinux package. I wouldn't
count on isohybrid working with all isos.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/07/11 21:59, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Brian  wrote:
>> http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07
> 
> This is just  amazing ! I did not know this could be possible.
> 
> 

They breed and post comments on Youtube too.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/07/11 21:49, shawn wilson wrote:
> Heh, I didn't know about the hybrid ISO... always used bootstrap. I'll
> probably keep doing it this way just because. However, in a pinch, that's
> pretty cool.
> 
> BTW, is there a command to see if an ISO can be dd'd to a drive like that
> and work? Ie, if I download the latest puppy, or slack, or or cent, or
> vyatta, or bill and Ted's most excellent linux distro ISO image, is there a
> better way to find out than just testing to see?
> On Jul 27, 2011 6:52 AM, "Brian"  wrote:
>> On Wed 27 Jul 2011 at 04:07:21 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
>>
>>> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?
>>
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2010/09/msg02279.html
>>
>> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Debian_USB_install_from_hybrid_iso/
>>
>> http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07
>>
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Grub can boot iso images for you (no tests required).

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/07/11 20:07, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20110727_070255, Dom wrote:
>> On 27/07/11 02:57, Paul E Condon wrote:
>>> On 20110726_190017, Dom wrote:
 
 The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB
 stick (and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this
 method to install a number of test systems recently.
 
>>> I'd like to try this. Can you give some details of what you did? 
>>> 1. How did you partition the hard disk? 2. Did you put a file
>>> system on the partition?  I'm thinking of using a 100G hard disk
>>> that I already have and I'd like to save most of it for general
>>> backup of system files. Can I do this? Does putting a partition
>>> table on it help save some the left over space?
>>> 
>>> 3. What did you us to write the image? dd ? something else?
>> 
>> I simply used  "dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX". The image contains
>> a partition table and everything.
>> 
>>> 4. Is there something else that I should be asking about?
>> 
>> Not that I'm aware of. Just install as normal. Have fun :-)
>> 
>> As some of my test systems are very low on memory (32MB), and
>> can't be upgraded, I created a swap partition on the rest of the
>> disk, used Expert mode and activated swap as soon as I could in
>> order to complete the installation. This shouldn't be necessary on
>> a more modern system.
>> 
> 
> Thanks, Dom
> 
> It also works with debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso I have looked
> into putting the installer on a USB device several times in the past,
> but have always been put off by the perceived messyness of the
> process, like OP. The only slightly complex issue was putting the USB
> drive into the bios boot order list. This is not a complaint, but an
> indication of just how trivial the process actually is.
> 
> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know? 
> Or was there some feature in the debian-gnu-linux tool set that
> needed a rewrite? Not really important to get an answer, but it would
> be nice if all those out of date HOWTOs could somehow be hidden from
> view, Or tagged with a note pointing to your email in debian lists
> archive.
> 
> Thanks again
> 
The official Debian howto have always been reliable - the signal to
noise ratio on the larger web is pretty poor (monkey see, monkey copy
and paste), especially when search terms are not tuned .
eg. to search these lists:-
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&tbs=qdr%3Am%2Clr%3Alang_1en&q=usb+install+site%3Alists.debian.org%2Fdebian-user+-dirk&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Also the hybrid image originally caused some problems. You'll still find
the occasional older BIOS that need to be set to zip drive to boot the
usb stick.

After installing it's neat to save the installed packages list, config
files, and a copy of /boot/grub on the usb stick. That can be backed up
somewhere for recovery and other purposes.

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thinking of chewing, so maybe that's the connection they're trying to make.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/07/11 06:24, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:16:12PM +0200, Dirk wrote:

>>
>> i dont want to read 
> 
> Re the subject line: in your case, no.
> 
Look kids - that's evolution at work. Told you it was vertical not
horizontal. (sigh).

Cheers

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Re: Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread abdelkader belahcene
Hi,
I haven't checked it   but I may  be installed on USB.

I installed   ubuntu and other  live distro  from usb , by using unetbootin.

So if you use inetbootin to install   the iso ( regular CD1 iso)  to usb,
then reboot from the usb   and   you can install   on hard disk thru this
usb. We must to check it.

I have installed  debian and other ubuntu  on usb hard disk, (extern HD),
and I can reboot fron the usd HD,   even the PC doesn't contain any linux
system.
 It  is a good idea  to have a system on an extern  HD,  you canrun
linux on machine running just window$  for example, by booting from your HD.

best regards
abd bela.


Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Brian  wrote:
> http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07

This is just  amazing ! I did not know this could be possible.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread shawn wilson
Heh, I didn't know about the hybrid ISO... always used bootstrap. I'll
probably keep doing it this way just because. However, in a pinch, that's
pretty cool.

BTW, is there a command to see if an ISO can be dd'd to a drive like that
and work? Ie, if I download the latest puppy, or slack, or or cent, or
vyatta, or bill and Ted's most excellent linux distro ISO image, is there a
better way to find out than just testing to see?
On Jul 27, 2011 6:52 AM, "Brian"  wrote:
> On Wed 27 Jul 2011 at 04:07:21 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
>
>> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2010/09/msg02279.html
>
> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Debian_USB_install_from_hybrid_iso/
>
> http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07
>
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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Jul 2011 at 04:07:21 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:

> Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2010/09/msg02279.html

http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Debian_USB_install_from_hybrid_iso/

http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-27 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20110727_070255, Dom wrote:
> On 27/07/11 02:57, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >On 20110726_190017, Dom wrote:
> >>
> >>The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB stick
> >>(and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this method to
> >>install a number of test systems recently.
> >>
> >I'd like to try this. Can you give some details of what you did?
> >1. How did you partition the hard disk?
> >2. Did you put a file system on the partition?  I'm thinking of
> >using a 100G hard disk that I already have and I'd like to save
> >most of it for general backup of system files. Can I do this?
> >Does putting a partition table on it help save some the left
> >over space?
> >
> >3. What did you us to write the image? dd ? something else?
> 
> I simply used  "dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX". The image contains a
> partition table and everything.
> 
> >4. Is there something else that I should be asking about?
> 
> Not that I'm aware of. Just install as normal. Have fun :-)
> 
> As some of my test systems are very low on memory (32MB), and can't
> be upgraded, I created a swap partition on the rest of the disk, used
> Expert mode and activated swap as soon as I could in order to
> complete the installation. This shouldn't be necessary on a more
> modern system.
> 

Thanks, Dom

It also works with debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso
I have looked into putting the installer on a USB device several times 
in the past, but have always been put off by the perceived messyness
of the process, like OP. The only slightly complex issue was putting
the USB drive into the bios boot order list. This is not a complaint,
but an indication of just how trivial the process actually is. 

Was it always this easy and people writing HOWTOs just didn't know?
Or was there some feature in the debian-gnu-linux tool set that needed
a rewrite? Not really important to get an answer, but it would be nice
if all those out of date HOWTOs could somehow be hidden from view, Or
tagged with a note pointing to your email in debian lists archive.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Dom

On 27/07/11 02:57, Paul E Condon wrote:

On 20110726_190017, Dom wrote:


The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB stick
(and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this method to
install a number of test systems recently.


I'd like to try this. Can you give some details of what you did?
1. How did you partition the hard disk?
2. Did you put a file system on the partition?  I'm thinking of
using a 100G hard disk that I already have and I'd like to save
most of it for general backup of system files. Can I do this?
Does putting a partition table on it help save some the left
over space?

3. What did you us to write the image? dd ? something else?


I simply used  "dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX". The image contains a 
partition table and everything.



4. Is there something else that I should be asking about?


Not that I'm aware of. Just install as normal. Have fun :-)

As some of my test systems are very low on memory (32MB), and can't be 
upgraded, I created a swap partition on the rest of the disk, used 
Expert mode and activated swap as soon as I could in order to complete 
the installation. This shouldn't be necessary on a more modern system.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20110726_190017, Dom wrote:
> On 26/07/11 18:38, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> >>for the love of everything that doesn't suck...
> >>
> >>could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian
> >>from?
> >>
> (snip)
> >
> >Wow, I just spent the last five minutes laughing.  Even though I don't
> >feel this is the most productive way to ask for assistance, I must
> >confess to being able to relate to it due to having felt similar
> >frustration in the past.
> >
> >In trying myself to find an answer to how to get an iso for a
> >usb-stick, I found it was a bit of a maze.  From many of the links on
> >the issue, I was led to this:
> >http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
> >
> (snip)
> >
> >Anyway, seems confusing to me, too.  Given that some usb-sticks can
> >store even more material than a dvd, and given that usb-sticks are
> >commonly the only removable drives on a lot of computer devices today
> >(IE, laptops), why the links for installing Debian group usb-sticks as
> >"other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, etc)", rather than having a
> >specific entry for it as they do for cdrom, dvd, and even blu-ray, is a
> >mystery.
> >
> >So, can the netinst-cdrom image be used with a usb-stick?  And if so,
> >why the different listing for usb-sticks?  And if not, why not?
> 
> I don't know why the different listings exist. Maybe this part of the
> Debian site could do with a partial rewrite.
> 
> The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB stick
> (and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this method to
> install a number of test systems recently.
> 
I'd like to try this. Can you give some details of what you did?
1. How did you partition the hard disk? 
2. Did you put a file system on the partition?  I'm thinking of
using a 100G hard disk that I already have and I'd like to save
most of it for general backup of system files. Can I do this?
Does putting a partition table on it help save some the left
over space?

3. What did you us to write the image? dd ? something else?

4. Is there something else that I should be asking about?

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:16:12PM +0200, Dirk wrote:
> for the love of everything that doesn't suck...
> 
> could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian from?
> 
> i ente

   ..snip of rant.

> FUCKING INSTALL ASSHOLE DEBIAN FROM MY USB STICK?
> 
> who is writing all these worthless pages that point to even more
> worthless pages of words... i want a fucking DOWNLOAD and have that
> shit done in 5 minutes
> 
> i dont want to read science papers by some asshole whose only skill
> is to partionize people through writing a book that has recursive
> links in it that point to even more bullshit instead of a fucking
> usb stick image...

Re the subject line: in your case, no.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Brian
On Tue 26 Jul 2011 at 13:38:14 -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote:

> However, I wonder why I'd have to use a 16 MB iso image for a usb
> stick, rather than a regular install image.

Wonder why no longer; read *all* the messages in this thread; recognise
the power of an iso-hybrid image. :)

>  I imagine installing
> from this above minimal image would be difficult.  

Only without net access.

> I also found in the documentation (2.4 Installation Media) an entry for
> USB sticks (2.4.3. USB Memory Stick) which seems to assume that systems
> with only USB sticks (and not dvds or cdroms) must be tiny, which given
> laptops nowadays is not the case.  There also was an entry in 2.4.1.
> CD-ROM/DVD-ROM that states "USB CD-ROM drives are also supported, as
> are FireWire devices that are supported by the ohci1394 and sbp2
> drivers."  So, I don't know if the regular iso image that was intended
> for dvds or cdroms (IE, the netinst image) can be used with a
> usb-stick or not . . . . . 

You would know if you read *all* the messages in this thread. :)

>. . . . But, contrary to some of the
> other posts on this topic, the regular netinst images do seem
> distinctly to be for cdrom/dvd, rather than usb-stick (see
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/).  

No. But you have to read *all* the messages in this thread to understand
why.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Walter Hurry
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:00:17 +0100, Dom wrote:

> The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB stick
> (and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this method to install
> a number of test systems recently.

And Squeeze. No problems at all with a USB stick.



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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Dom

On 26/07/11 18:38, Mark Grieveson wrote:

for the love of everything that doesn't suck...

could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian
from?


(snip)


Wow, I just spent the last five minutes laughing.  Even though I don't
feel this is the most productive way to ask for assistance, I must
confess to being able to relate to it due to having felt similar
frustration in the past.

In trying myself to find an answer to how to get an iso for a
usb-stick, I found it was a bit of a maze.  From many of the links on
the issue, I was led to this:
http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso


(snip)


Anyway, seems confusing to me, too.  Given that some usb-sticks can
store even more material than a dvd, and given that usb-sticks are
commonly the only removable drives on a lot of computer devices today
(IE, laptops), why the links for installing Debian group usb-sticks as
"other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, etc)", rather than having a
specific entry for it as they do for cdrom, dvd, and even blu-ray, is a
mystery.

So, can the netinst-cdrom image be used with a usb-stick?  And if so,
why the different listing for usb-sticks?  And if not, why not?


I don't know why the different listings exist. Maybe this part of the 
Debian site could do with a partial rewrite.


The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB stick 
(and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this method to install 
a number of test systems recently.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Huang, Tao
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:15 PM, thuilliercharmet  wrote:
> " not sure that your minority will be part of my "global" diversity . "
> franckly and directly.
>
> With my best that i can at the moment because i have the same problem
> than you : no dvd reader (means i am limited in choice OR nobody give me
> a gratis dvd reader) !
> mr thuillier-charmet

check the installation media and booting parts of the installation
manual to see which method fits u the best.

for usb stick booting and installing, it's a one-liner as documented
in the manual[1]
run the command below with root permission.

$cat /path/to/your/debian-stable-amd64-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdX

replace /dev/sdX with the path to ur usb device.
make sure that u backup the whole disk, since the partition table will
be overwritten.

if u don't feel comfortable with `cat', use

$dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX

btw, if u already have *nix installed on the target machine, no
external media is required for installing debian.
fetch the iso file and Grub/Lilo boot files, add the menu entry for ur
bootloader, reboot and you'll see the debian installation interface.
see the manual[2] for details.

[1] http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
[2] http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd


Cheers,

Tao
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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Huang, Tao
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Dirk  wrote:
> for the love of everything that doesn't suck...
>
> could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian from?
[snip]

debian iso images have native usb stick support.
what u want is a one-liner.
and i won't explain too much to u, in case u get lost in a desert of
charactors again.
backup ur files on the usb stick, then run

$cat /path/to/your/debian-stable-amd64-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdX

as root.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Dirk

On 07/26/11 13:43, Gavin wrote:

On 26 July 2011 13:16, Dirk  wrote:

for the love of everything that doesn't suck...

could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian from?


Go back to Ubuntu, ASSHOLE!!!



i got angry.. :o


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Gavin
On 26 July 2011 13:16, Dirk  wrote:
> for the love of everything that doesn't suck...
>
> could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian from?

Go back to Ubuntu, ASSHOLE!!!


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