Re: internet connectivity from Comcast
On 2016-09-16, David Wright wrote: > > I think I'll quit here. Carrying on is too painful. I'm here praying the machinery has the kind of malfunction that locks the pod bay doors while the pilot is out on a leisurely space walk. > Cheers, > David. > > -- “Whatever is rejected from the self, appears in the world as an event.” C.G. Jung
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast
Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 21:02 (UTC-0400): Felix Miata composed: Called a "router" by whom, and where? Maybe help could better be forthcoming if you announced its brand name and a model number. From the description so far in this thread, yours seems to be one of those boxes that combine modem, router, switch and firewall. Does it also provide wireless? I don't think so: the little box on my desk is made by Cisco. Model number: LinksysWUMC710 So, this has an ethernet cable going between it and your PC, and it has a wall wart providing power to it. Are there any other ethernet cables connected to it? If so, where does/do it/they go? If not, where does the cable coming from Comcast come into your house, and what's the model number of whatever is connected to it there? In rough terms, how far is it from your PC and the LinksysWUMC710? Different room? Close enough to connect an ethernet cable between them? If yes to the last question, connect one and see if Jessie doesn't magically connect to the Internet. Some of these might sound like irrelevant questions, but they're not. You provide such a dearth of information about what you're working with or what you understand it's difficult to figure out how to help you, making it necessary to elicit useful information creatively. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast
On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 21:02:04 (-0400), Alan McConnell wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Felix Miata" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 2:20:54 PM > Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast > > Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 13:36 (UTC-0400): > > > It certainly isn't DSL. I have an Ethernet cable running from my machine > > to a Comcast provided "modem" -- except that it is called a router. Quite > > Called a "router" by whom, and where? Maybe help could better be forthcoming > if you announced its brand name and a model number. From the description so > far in this thread, yours seems to be one of those boxes that combine modem, > router, switch and firewall. Does it also provide wireless? > I don't think so: the little box on my desk is made by > Cisco. Model number: LinksysWUMC710 Now that is very revealing. It gives a whole new significance to the statement "I didn't attempt to copy down on a piece of paper what it wrote; trust me that it was unenlightening garbage." Anyway, moving on, here's a quotation from http://www.linksys.com/no/support-article?articleNum=135444 "The Linksys WUMC710 is a single band Wireless-AC Wi-Fi 5GHz Universal Media Connector Bridge with 4-Port Switch capable of connecting Ethernet devices to a wireless network." I think I'll quit here. Carrying on is too painful. Cheers, David.
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast
On Friday 16 September 2016 02:02:04 Alan McConnell wrote: > There is a class of people on this E-list who seem to think that > the Jessie installer couldn't possibly be expected to recognize a > Windoze OS, especially since Windows 10 is "so new". My reaction is: > codswallop! We know that. You seem to be completely unable to say anything politely. Let's just reword that: Jessie is old. That is the problem. If you use Stretch, which is new, apparently the problem is less and people are working on it. MS wanted to make it difficult, or preferably impossible, to dual boot with Windows 10, which doesn't help. The installer will not be rewritten for Jessie, which is old, because Jessie is Stable. I.e. things don't change. It could not be written for Windows 10 before Windows 10 existed, since the developers haven't got a crystal ball, much as you think that idea is codswallop, and it could not be rewritten for Windows 10 after Windows 10 existed because that is the nature of Stable. It doesn't change. Since you obviously don't like Jessie, and are unwilling to try to adapt to it, why on earth are you using it? There are loads of other things you could be using, including, but not only, other versions of Debian, which would probably suit you better. Do you think you could possibly try to be polite, just once? Incidentally: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/english/?q=E-list And the result of a search on E-list on the Oxford Dictionary site: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/a_&_e Lisi
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast
- Original Message - From: "Felix Miata" To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 2:20:54 PM Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 13:36 (UTC-0400): > It certainly isn't DSL. I have an Ethernet cable running from my machine > to a Comcast provided "modem" -- except that it is called a router. Quite Called a "router" by whom, and where? Maybe help could better be forthcoming if you announced its brand name and a model number. From the description so far in this thread, yours seems to be one of those boxes that combine modem, router, switch and firewall. Does it also provide wireless? I don't think so: the little box on my desk is made by Cisco. Model number: LinksysWUMC710 > Also: although ALSA and pulse-audio are installed on the Jessie side, I get > no sound there... Different and new problem belongs in a virgin thread. One will be forthcoming tomorrow. This too belongs in a separate thread, but I'll provide a seed for you to try to fix on your own. This is from Jessie on a multiboot Dell that includes Windows 10: # grep ntfs /etc/fstab /dev/sda6 /win/C ntfs-3g nofail,users,gid=100,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 Already this doesn't work. I put my /etc/fstab on a USB stick which has a VFAT file system on it, and my Windoze made a most satisfying chime when I stuck the stick into one of the sockets on my USB splitter. I would give you the whole short text file if I could swipe my mouse over it. But this is no go in Windoze, and I don't know how to Copy and Paste in the Windoze world. So I'll just say here that my fstab simply enumerates the partitions I made when I installed. Those are /dev/sda3, /dev/sda4, etc. No mention of /dev/sda1, which is I believe called C: in the Windoze world. I have my fstab, on E:, open as I write, but the wretched Notepad pays no attention to the Unix 'CR's ! ! Takes me back decades!. This is another failure of the installer failing to recognize that there is another OS on my hard drive. There is a class of people on this E-list who seem to think that the Jessie installer couldn't possibly be expected to recognize a Windoze OS, especially since Windows 10 is "so new". My reaction is: codswallop! Thanks for your helpful attempt, Felix. Were your examples from a box with Windoze already on it? Alan
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)
On Thursday 15 September 2016 19:24:49 David Wright wrote: > On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 18:57:52 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 15 September 2016 18:36:58 Alan McConnell wrote: > > > And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me > > > how to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10. > > > > Brian suggested a USB stick. You rudely poo-pooed it. > > Well, at least that's a reaction. My solution for copying *from* > W10 was completely ignored by all, except google which has added > two (possibly) random hex numbers to its repertoire. Being ignored by Alan is less painful than being kicked!! I didn't really understand your solution, and as I cannot ever envisage myself wanting to transfer anything from Win10, anywhere, and am rather stressed and rushed at the moment, I rather skimmed over it. Sorry. :-( I'll try to come back to it and read it properly in the reasonably near future. Lisi
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Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-15 13:36 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata composed: > Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400): >>> My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line. I don't think >>> this is >>> anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement >>> community >>> which has a huge contract with Comcast. >> Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from here, >> should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer. > It certainly isn't DSL. I have an Ethernet cable running from my machine > to a Comcast provided "modem" -- except that it is called a router. Quite Called a "router" by whom, and where? Maybe help could better be forthcoming if you announced its brand name and a model number. From the description so far in this thread, yours seems to be one of those boxes that combine modem, router, switch and firewall. Does it also provide wireless? > obviously it works well from my Windoze side(I am using MS Edge the M$ new > browser) to dial into mail.his.com, which uses the afore-mentioned Zimbra > Any suggestions you can give me would be welcome, especially since I know > you know your stuff. I know some stuff. Virturally no Comcast-specific connectivity is included. OTOH, Tony Baldwin and Jude DaShiell have offered Comcast-specific clues in this thread. > Also: although ALSA and pulse-audio are installed on the Jessie side, I get > no sound there... Different and new problem belongs in a virgin thread. > And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me how > to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10. But he may have given up > with his efforts to "help" me. This too belongs in a separate thread, but I'll provide a seed for you to try to fix on your own. This is from Jessie on a multiboot Dell that includes Windows 10: # grep ntfs /etc/fstab /dev/sda6 /win/C ntfs-3g nofail,users,gid=100,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 # mount | grep eblk /dev/sda6 on /win/C type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096) # ls -gG /win/C total 3313985 -rw-rw-rw- 1 400228 Oct 30 2015 bootmgr -rw-rw-rw- 1 1 Oct 30 2015 BOOTNXT lrwxrwxrwx 2 60 Jul 27 06:06 Documents and Settings -> /win/C/Users -rw-rw-rw- 1 1648193536 Aug 5 03:52 hiberfil.sys drwxrwxrwx 1 49152 Apr 27 02:35 Logs -rw-rw-rw- 1 1476395008 Aug 5 03:52 pagefile.sys drwxrwxrwx 1 0 Oct 30 2015 PerfLogs drwxrwxrwx 1 4096 Jul 27 06:06 ProgramData drwxrwxrwx 1 4096 Apr 27 02:34 Program Files drwxrwxrwx 1 4096 Oct 30 2015 Program Files (x86) drwxrwxrwx 1 0 Jul 27 06:05 Recovery drwxrwxrwx 1 0 Aug 4 05:58 $Recycle.Bin -rw-rw-rw- 1 268435456 Aug 5 03:52 swapfile.sys drwxrwxrwx 1 4096 Jul 27 04:37 System Volume Information drwxrwxrwx 1 4096 Jul 27 04:55 Users drwxrwxrwx 1 24576 Jul 27 03:07 Windows If the above not enough help to get you where you want to be and you want more, start a separate thread with an appropriate subject line please. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)
On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 18:57:52 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 15 September 2016 18:36:58 Alan McConnell wrote: > > And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me how > > to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10. > > Brian suggested a USB stick. You rudely poo-pooed it. Well, at least that's a reaction. My solution for copying *from* W10 was completely ignored by all, except google which has added two (possibly) random hex numbers to its repertoire. Cheers, David.
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)
On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 13:36:58 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote: > And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell > me how > to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10. But he may have > given up > with his efforts to "help" me. Brian has decided he has nothing more to contibute beyond suggesting a USB stick to transfer files between the two OSs. Putting "help" in double quotes says a lot. But I'll learn to live with it. -- Brian.
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)
On Thursday 15 September 2016 18:36:58 Alan McConnell wrote: > And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me how > to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10. Brian suggested a USB stick. You rudely poo-pooed it. Lisi
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)
- Original Message - From: "Felix Miata" To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:05:50 PM Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...) Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400): > My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line. I don't think this > is > anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement community > which has a huge contract with Comcast. Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from here, should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer. It certainly isn't DSL. I have an Ethernet cable running from my machine to a Comcast provided "modem" -- except that it is called a router. Quite obviously it works well from my Windoze side(I am using MS Edge the M$ new browser) to dial into mail.his.com, which uses the afore-mentioned Zimbra Any suggestions you can give me would be welcome, especially since I know you know your stuff. Also: although ALSA and pulse-audio are installed on the Jessie side, I get no sound there(I have a couple of videos and some mp3s to test on. They played well back in the Golden Days of Wheezy. Maybe you have suggestions about how to get sound working under Jessie? Needless to say, I can play Donald Trump speeches and Mozart on youtube from this present Edge browser, which hasn't crashed once(iceweasel, under Jessie, used to crash continually; it worked fine under wheezy) And if Brian is reading this, I remind him that he is going to tell me how to use Jessie to copy to and from my Windows 10. But he may have given up with his efforts to "help" me. Alan
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast
On 09/15/2016 12:17 PM, David Wright wrote: On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 20:05:50 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400): My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line. I don't think this is anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement community which has a huge contract with Comcast. Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from here, should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer. I called a tech person here, and he gave me a username and password which got me, and keeps me, online . . . but only for the Windoze side. I gotta do some exploring to see if I can make this work with Jessie. Luckily[1], I'm not a Comcast subscriber, so I cannot speak to this from experience. Maybe something following can spur you into finding a path to a solution. ISTR that some cablecos provide both a router (aka firewall and possibly a switch) and a modem in the same box, like DSL providers typically do. DSL providers normally require a login process with username and password. OTOH, cable providers typically do not require login, depending instead on the unique MAC address of the cable modem. I always assumed that cable companies relied on the fact that you're at the other "end" of a piece of wire that comes into their building. When lightning takes out my modem, I shall just buy another of a type approved by Cox. They'll discover the MAC when I connect it. (I hate combined modem/routers.) Obviously some others take a belt and braces approach, perhaps because a multiple service is being supplied to a ?building(s) over which they feel they have less control. We get the typical residential service of one wire/service/bill. If you want to steal the service, you need to get climbing. I'm using comcast/xfinity cable internet, with no issues and have for some years I have always just been able to boot a debian system while connected to their modem and id automagically detects and configures the connection, no problem. If you do any torrenting you've got to use an encrypted pipe, or comcast will throttle you, but otherwise no problems. ./tony -- http://tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)
On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 20:05:50 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400): > > >My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line. I don't think > >this is > >anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement community > >which has a huge contract with Comcast. > > Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from > here, should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer. > > >I called a tech person here, and he gave me > >a username and password which got me, and keeps me, online . . . but only > >for the > >Windoze side. I gotta do some exploring to see if I can make this work with > >Jessie. > > Luckily[1], I'm not a Comcast subscriber, so I cannot speak to this > from experience. Maybe something following can spur you into finding > a path to a solution. > > ISTR that some cablecos provide both a router (aka firewall and > possibly a switch) and a modem in the same box, like DSL providers > typically do. DSL providers normally require a login process with > username and password. OTOH, cable providers typically do not > require login, depending instead on the unique MAC address of the > cable modem. I always assumed that cable companies relied on the fact that you're at the other "end" of a piece of wire that comes into their building. When lightning takes out my modem, I shall just buy another of a type approved by Cox. They'll discover the MAC when I connect it. (I hate combined modem/routers.) Obviously some others take a belt and braces approach, perhaps because a multiple service is being supplied to a ?building(s) over which they feel they have less control. We get the typical residential service of one wire/service/bill. If you want to steal the service, you need to get climbing. Cheers, David.
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast
comcast owns the box and connectivity requires a network name and password to be in a computer's wifi settings before you can connect. Comcast puts two possible connections on each box. One of them is for the account holder and the other connection is for public use if comcast users have an email address and a different password to log into their comcast accounts. On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Felix Miata wrote: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:48:47 From: Felix Miata To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:49:25 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Jude DaShiell composed on 2016-09-15 06:06 (UTC-0400): I'm on comcast and what we have here is a cable account with a combination router modem box. Who owns the box? Does connectivity on the account involve use of a login and password? --
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Jude DaShiell composed on 2016-09-15 06:06 (UTC-0400): I'm on comcast and what we have here is a cable account with a combination router modem box. Who owns the box? Does connectivity on the account involve use of a login and password? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)
I'm on comcast and what we have here is a cable account with a combination router modem box. On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Felix Miata wrote: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:05:50 From: Felix Miata To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 00:06:14 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400): My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line. I don't think this is anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement community which has a huge contract with Comcast. Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from here, should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer. I called a tech person here, and he gave me a username and password which got me, and keeps me, online . . . but only for the Windoze side. I gotta do some exploring to see if I can make this work with Jessie. Luckily[1], I'm not a Comcast subscriber, so I cannot speak to this from experience. Maybe something following can spur you into finding a path to a solution. ISTR that some cablecos provide both a router (aka firewall and possibly a switch) and a modem in the same box, like DSL providers typically do. DSL providers normally require a login process with username and password. OTOH, cable providers typically do not require login, depending instead on the unique MAC address of the cable modem. It sounds to me like you either do not have an internet router between your PC and the modem, or have a combination modem/router/firewall, and so needs Jessie to somehow login similarly to how the tech enabled you to connect in Windows. Had you a separate internet router that you own, then the router could perform login duty, and internet connectivity would not depend on which OS you booted. [1] http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/06/comcast-customer-satisfaction-rating-plummets-again/ http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/the-top-5-worst-corporate-citizens-in-the-u-s.html/?a=viewall --
Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...)
Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-14 17:11 (UTC-0400): My final problem is: how to get my Jessie to get on line. I don't think this is anything anyone here can help me with, since I live in a retirement community which has a huge contract with Comcast. Is it a cable account, or is it a DSL account? Appropriate help from here, should you choose to accept any, depends on your answer. I called a tech person here, and he gave me a username and password which got me, and keeps me, online . . . but only for the Windoze side. I gotta do some exploring to see if I can make this work with Jessie. Luckily[1], I'm not a Comcast subscriber, so I cannot speak to this from experience. Maybe something following can spur you into finding a path to a solution. ISTR that some cablecos provide both a router (aka firewall and possibly a switch) and a modem in the same box, like DSL providers typically do. DSL providers normally require a login process with username and password. OTOH, cable providers typically do not require login, depending instead on the unique MAC address of the cable modem. It sounds to me like you either do not have an internet router between your PC and the modem, or have a combination modem/router/firewall, and so needs Jessie to somehow login similarly to how the tech enabled you to connect in Windows. Had you a separate internet router that you own, then the router could perform login duty, and internet connectivity would not depend on which OS you booted. [1] http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/06/comcast-customer-satisfaction-rating-plummets-again/ http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/the-top-5-worst-corporate-citizens-in-the-u-s.html/?a=viewall -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
