Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On Vi, 10 sep 21, 20:55:43, Gary Dale wrote: > On 2021-09-10 18:11, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > > > > Pretty sure, it's the issue with Yahoo¹ ², nothing to do with Thunderbird. > > Yahoo is following the same path as GMail, forcing their users to use > > web browsers as mail clients. > > In case of GMail you have to use same generated "app-password" for both > > IMAP and SMTP services. > > I guess the same principle will be for Yahoo. > > > > > > [1] > > https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/temporary-access-insecure-sln27791.html > > [2] > > https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/generate-manage-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html > > -- > Yes, I've tried the app passwords without success. As near as I can tell, > they are just a randomly generated secure password that is linked to a > particular application as well as the account. On the other hand, at least in my opinion, they are preferable for situations where it's necessary to write the password in some configuration file (e.g. MTA configured to forward via smarthost, for interactive use it's possible to use a password manager instead). The application password can only be used for SMTP/POP/IMAP (but not for logging in to the web interface) and in case you have reason to suspect it was compromised it can be easily revoked from the web interface. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 9/10/21 3:39 PM, Gary Dale wrote: [snip] Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? Yes, works fine with Thunderbird windows and thunderbird 78.14.0 on debian linux stable. Settings: Account name: y...@yahoo.com email address: y...@yahoo.com IMAP server imap.mail.yahoo.com Port: 993 SSL/TLS OAuth2 Yahoo! Mail SMTP: smtp.mail.yahoo.com Port: 465 SSL/TLS OAuth2 Important: thunderbird preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Web Content check Accept cookies from sites -> Exceptions-> http://yahoo.com Allow -> https://yahoo.com Allow Accept third-party Never Keep until they expire More help: Thunderbird and Yahoo https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-yahoo Good luck! Ralph
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 2021-09-10 20:51, Gary Dale wrote: On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote: On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote: Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2 smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993 I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort. This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after you apply oauth2 to an account. https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/ Jeremy I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I recreated the account in Thunderbird. I may have spoke too soon. Got this message "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again." when I tried to send an e-mail from the account. The only change I made to the settings was I set a reply-to... The message went into my sent folder after I cleared the error (for the second time) but it isn't showing up in the online (yahoo.com) sent folder but an earlier test message I sent is there. When I removed the reply-to header, the message went out without problems and showed up in the online sent folder as well. It looks like at least part of my problem aws the use of a reply-to address. > Found it. I also needed to remove the smtp server for Yahoo. When Thunderbird set up the account, it simply reused the existing smtp.mail.yahoo.com server definition. Even when I set that up correctly, it wasn't working. However when I deleted it along with the pop account, it recreated it from scratch and now it seems to work. I note that I now have 3 saved passwords for the account: 1) mailbox:// ... for the pop server 2) oauth:// 3) smtp:// ... The passwords are all the same - the very long computer generated one.
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 2021-09-10 20:51, Gary Dale wrote: On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote: On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote: Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2 smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993 I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort. This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after you apply oauth2 to an account. https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/ Jeremy I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I recreated the account in Thunderbird. Found it. I also needed to remove the smtp server for Yahoo. When Thunderbird set up the account, it simply reused the existing smtp.mail.yahoo.com server definition. Even when I set that up correctly, it wasn't working. However when I deleted it along with the pop account, it recreated it from scratch and now it seems to work. I note that I now have 3 saved passwords for the account: 1) mailbox:// ... for the pop server 2) oauth:// 3) smtp:// ... The passwords are all the same - the very long computer generated one.
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 2021-09-10 18:11, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: On 11.09.2021 02:39, Gary Dale wrote: I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account. So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of settings, including removing the account and recreating it in Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through. The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again." Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? Pretty sure, it's the issue with Yahoo¹ ², nothing to do with Thunderbird. Yahoo is following the same path as GMail, forcing their users to use web browsers as mail clients. In case of GMail you have to use same generated "app-password" for both IMAP and SMTP services. I guess the same principle will be for Yahoo. [1] https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/temporary-access-insecure-sln27791.html [2] https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/generate-manage-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html -- Yes, I've tried the app passwords without success. As near as I can tell, they are just a randomly generated secure password that is linked to a particular application as well as the account.
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 2021-09-10 18:26, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote: I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account. So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of settings, including removing the account and recreating it in Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through. The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again." Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2 smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993 I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort. I had a similar problem with a Rogers account that stopped working. It's one of the reasons I stopped using Rogers... They turned their e-mail over to Yahoo and Yahoo doesn't really support e-mail.
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote: On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote: Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2 smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993 I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort. This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after you apply oauth2 to an account. https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/ Jeremy I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I recreated the account in Thunderbird.
Re: OT: Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 11/9/21 9:48 am, piorunz wrote: Offtopic: You sure you want to use Yahoo knowing what are they capable of, or, what they are not capable of doing, where they should? https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/yahoo-admits-staff-knew-state-sponsored-hack-2014-1590924 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/yahoo-breach-one-billion-state-government-actor-criminals-1.3898586 Personally I use yahoo as a throw-away account for dodgy sites. Using gmail you have the problem that google scans all messages and you may well get different search results. For instance my son emailed me his flight itinerary. Google picked up on that and gave me his details when I searched the flight number Also, using gmail, it's noticeably slower than my own postfix and dovecot servers when I connect using my phone remotely. gmail authorisation seems to take a very long time. -- Jeremy OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
OT: Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
Offtopic: You sure you want to use Yahoo knowing what are they capable of, or, what they are not capable of doing, where they should? https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/yahoo-admits-staff-knew-state-sponsored-hack-2014-1590924 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/yahoo-breach-one-billion-state-government-actor-criminals-1.3898586 On 11/09/2021 01:52, Gary Dale wrote: On 2021-09-10 18:26, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote: I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account. So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of settings, including removing the account and recreating it in Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through. The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again." Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2 smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993 I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort. I had a similar problem with a Rogers account that stopped working. It's one of the reasons I stopped using Rogers... They turned their e-mail over to Yahoo and Yahoo doesn't really support e-mail. -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account. So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of settings, including removing the account and recreating it in Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through. The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again." Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 11/9/21 8:51 am, Gary Dale wrote: On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote: On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote: Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2 smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993 I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort. This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after you apply oauth2 to an account. https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/ Jeremy I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I recreated the account in Thunderbird. The other thing that may be relevant is using the full yahoo address as the username e.g. joe.b...@yahoo.com rather than joe.blow -- Jeremy OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote: Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2 smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993 I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort. This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after you apply oauth2 to an account. https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/ Jeremy
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote: I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account. So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of settings, including removing the account and recreating it in Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through. The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again." Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2 smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993 I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort. -- Jeremy OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?
On 11.09.2021 02:39, Gary Dale wrote: I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account. So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of settings, including removing the account and recreating it in Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through. The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again." Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together? Pretty sure, it's the issue with Yahoo¹ ², nothing to do with Thunderbird. Yahoo is following the same path as GMail, forcing their users to use web browsers as mail clients. In case of GMail you have to use same generated "app-password" for both IMAP and SMTP services. I guess the same principle will be for Yahoo. [1] https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/temporary-access-insecure-sln27791.html [2] https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/generate-manage-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
