Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle
The only problem with Java is that it is a bit old for current architectures. There are better languages that run on the JVM (Clojure and Scala to name two). -- Gian Uberto Lauri Messaggio inviato da un tablet On 09/apr/2014, at 22:31, abdelkader belahcene abelahc...@gmail.com wrote: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/57559cb3-7c20-47d0-84e6-aa9aaaf38...@eng.it
Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle
(Nice top post) On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri gianuberto.la...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem with Java is that it is a bit old for current architectures. There are better languages that run on the JVM (Clojure and Scala to name two). The problems with java come from allowing untrusted compiled code to run natively on your machine (WebStart). Web services, databases, Android apps, etc don't have this issue. However, I'm pretty sure you can write Scala/Clojure WebStart apps that would have the same issues as native Java has here. The Java culture tends to piss me off so I try to stay away from it (and I like scripting languages better anyway). On 09/apr/2014, at 22:31, abdelkader belahcene abelahc...@gmail.com wrote: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle ? AFAIK, the issue with Oracle is their release cycle (not sure if that's still the case). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cah_obideztijvnm_jhs8re+1rqbzkxtm4kv6uywqgfbbvfa...@mail.gmail.com
Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle
shawn wilson writes: The problems with java come from allowing untrusted compiled code to run natively on your machine (WebStart). I think that this problem arises with EVERY and EACH programming language. You trust Debian software packages because you trust Debian, not because of the programming language they are written in. Web services, databases, A web service running in a language that is vulnerable to exploits leveraging malfunction of the code handling the service (i.e. not runnning in a virtual machine like JVM or CLR) are dangerous indeed. Database access done in a sloppy way may be dangerous. Android apps, etc don't have this issue. For Android is false, there are known episodes of malicious apps slipping in the app markets. (and I like scripting languages better anyway). And maybe you use eval() type functions. A door that must be carefully secured aganst potentially hostile code. You say taht you don't like Java culture, and this is the only thing that holds, since what you like or dislike are something you and only you can and is entitled to choose. As for myself, Java has something I like and other things I don't. As for any language. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21318.26648.677226.572...@mail.eng.it
Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle
Sorry, may be my question is not clear, I mean : what will be happen if oracle decides to close the software ??? same reason for what libreoffice ( instead of openoffice ) and Mariadb ( instead of mysql) are created !!! am I wrong?? is it not same pb? best regards On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote: shawn wilson writes: The problems with java come from allowing untrusted compiled code to run natively on your machine (WebStart). I think that this problem arises with EVERY and EACH programming language. You trust Debian software packages because you trust Debian, not because of the programming language they are written in. Web services, databases, A web service running in a language that is vulnerable to exploits leveraging malfunction of the code handling the service (i.e. not runnning in a virtual machine like JVM or CLR) are dangerous indeed. Database access done in a sloppy way may be dangerous. Android apps, etc don't have this issue. For Android is false, there are known episodes of malicious apps slipping in the app markets. (and I like scripting languages better anyway). And maybe you use eval() type functions. A door that must be carefully secured aganst potentially hostile code. You say taht you don't like Java culture, and this is the only thing that holds, since what you like or dislike are something you and only you can and is entitled to choose. As for myself, Java has something I like and other things I don't. As for any language. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO
Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle
abdelkader belahcene writes: Sorry, may be my question is not clear, I mean : what will be happen if oracle decides to close the software ??? We will use OpenJDK. same reason for what libreoffice ( instead of openoffice ) and Mariadb ( instead of mysql) are created !!! am I wrong?? is it not same pb? Yep, with the same solution. AFAIK there are a set of specifications that everybody can follow to build a JVM. The Free Software world could even drop explicit compatibility. But it's unlikely. Closing Java more than it's closed now would mean KILL the technology. Java has all this hype thanks to Free Software (Apache Software Foundation in primis). -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21318.51006.825460.601...@mail.eng.it
is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle
is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle ?
Re: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle
No, there are several open implementations of the jdk, java is the recommended language for Android, and oracle has continued to support java well. Maybe someone knows something that I don't, but it seems like you should hack in the language you like best. On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 09:31:49PM +0100, abdelkader belahcene wrote: is there a risk to program in java since sun is bought by oracle ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140409215237.ga14...@crazycoder.us
