linux-kernel needs dist-upgrade (again)

2019-05-03 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi,

I would like to understand why apt-get upgrade holds backup the upgrade of the 
Linux kernel. 
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Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
   linux-image-amd64 (4.9+80+deb9u6 => 4.9+80+deb9u7)
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So I looked at the Debian changelog for the kernel but that states just 
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linux-latest (80+deb9u7) stretch; urgency=medium

  * Update to 4.9.0-9

 -- Salvatore Bonaccorso   Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:41:18 +0100
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Not much help. :-(
So what is so special about the deb9u6 to debu9u7 upgrade that I need 
dist-upgrade? What can break during a normal upgrade?

Bonno Bloksma



Re: linux-kernel needs dist-upgrade (again)

2019-05-03 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 06:10:45AM +, Bonno Bloksma wrote:
> I would like to understand why apt-get upgrade holds backup the upgrade of 
> the Linux kernel. 

Because the kernel ABI changed, and a new package has to be installed.
It's not just an upgrade of an existing package.

By default, "apt upgrade" will allow new packages to be installed, but
"apt-get upgrade" will not.

You can use "apt-get dist-upgrade".  Or you can use
"apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade".  Or you can (maybe?) tweak some variable
in apt.conf to make --with-new-pkgs the default behavior.



Re: linux-kernel needs dist-upgrade (again)

2019-05-03 Thread john doe
On 5/3/2019 3:32 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 06:10:45AM +, Bonno Bloksma wrote:
>> I would like to understand why apt-get upgrade holds backup the upgrade of 
>> the Linux kernel.
>
> Because the kernel ABI changed, and a new package has to be installed.
> It's not just an upgrade of an existing package.
>
> By default, "apt upgrade" will allow new packages to be installed, but
> "apt-get upgrade" will not.
>
> You can use "apt-get dist-upgrade".  Or you can use
> "apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade".  Or you can (maybe?) tweak some variable
> in apt.conf to make --with-new-pkgs the default behavior.
>

Or to install the package without using dist-upgrade:

$ apt-get install 

--
John Doe



Re: linux-kernel needs dist-upgrade (again)

2019-06-22 Thread andreimpopescu
On Vi, 03 mai 19, 15:40:09, john doe wrote:
> On 5/3/2019 3:32 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 06:10:45AM +, Bonno Bloksma wrote:
> >> I would like to understand why apt-get upgrade holds backup the upgrade of 
> >> the Linux kernel.
> >
> > Because the kernel ABI changed, and a new package has to be installed.
> > It's not just an upgrade of an existing package.
> >
> > By default, "apt upgrade" will allow new packages to be installed, but
> > "apt-get upgrade" will not.
> >
> > You can use "apt-get dist-upgrade".  Or you can use
> > "apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade".  Or you can (maybe?) tweak some variable
> > in apt.conf to make --with-new-pkgs the default behavior.
> >
> 
> Or to install the package without using dist-upgrade:
> 
> $ apt-get install 

Which package?

If the kernel image package (and not the meta-package) this would also 
set it as "manually installed", which may not be what the OP wants.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


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Re: linux-kernel needs dist-upgrade (again)

2019-06-22 Thread Pascal Hambourg

Le 03/05/2019 à 15:32, Greg Wooledge a écrit :

On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 06:10:45AM +, Bonno Bloksma wrote:

I would like to understand why apt-get upgrade holds backup the upgrade of the 
Linux kernel.


Because the kernel ABI changed, and a new package has to be installed.
It's not just an upgrade of an existing package.

By default, "apt upgrade" will allow new packages to be installed, but
"apt-get upgrade" will not.

You can use "apt-get dist-upgrade".  Or you can use
"apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade".


Or simply "apt upgrade", which can install new packages (but cannot 
remove installed packages, unlike "apt-get dist-upgrade").