Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains [Konqueror]

[Michael Epting]

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 08:42:01PM +0200, William Leese wrote:
> Surely, there is someone out there using Konqueror to browse shares in their 
> network? 
> 
> There is a tab in Kcontrol where you can fill in a login, a password and a 
> workgroup to use for SAMBA shares, no mention of domain though.

Well, yes, I have experimented with Konqueror as a samba browser, but I
haven't had my socks knocked off.  Once you get klisa configured, you
can click the Network icon in the sidebar and it will in fact give you a
file manager that treats your samba shares as if they were mounted.
However, I far prefer actually mounting the shares -- xSMBrowser is a
handy tool for doing this -- and then using the file manager of my own
choice to work them.  Using klisa and konqueror, I was not able to see a
way to make the shared directories visible to, for example, xmms.  If
you can't do that, what's the point?  And besides, emelfm is far better
for moving files around.
 
-- 
Michael Epting ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains [Konqueror]

[William Leese]

On Friday 03 August 2001 18:23, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 11:04:07AM -0400, dman wrote:
> > I thought Konqueror was a web browser.
>
> It's a hybrid web browser/file manager.  Yes, I think that's a bad
> idea, but copying Microsoft is apparently all the rage.

Personally I like it. File managers and webbrowsers are (for myself) the most 
used applications and there's quite a bit of functionality shared by the two.

I love the way I can just click on the "Folder" button (you have to add this 
one yourself, it's not on there by default) in IE and browse a needed network 
resource.

For linux, well.. I've hardly ever had reason to use a full blown file 
manager however when you have hundreds of computers who's resources you need 
to access every once in a while the console becomes painful at best, even 
typing in an URL in konqueror becomes a burden.

Surely, there is someone out there using Konqueror to browse shares in their 
network? 

There is a tab in Kcontrol where you can fill in a login, a password and a 
workgroup to use for SAMBA shares, no mention of domain though.

William Leese

Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains [Konqueror]

[dman]

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 12:23:43PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
| On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 11:04:07AM -0400, dman wrote:
|  
| > I thought Konqueror was a web browser.
| 
| It's a hybrid web browser/file manager.

Ok, that would explain my confusion here.

| Yes, I think that's a bad idea, but copying Microsoft is apparently
| all the rage.

Galeon : "The web, only the web" :-).

-D

Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[Kent West]

William Leese wrote:





Again, I'm asking help. With SAMBA how do I:

Login to the domain (pdc)



I haven't figured that out yet, but it'd be great to know, so that I 
could image a computer lab of 19 machines to be dual-bootable, so some 
of the students could get some exposure to Linux. (I'm also at a 
Helpdesk, in a University setting.)



View computers logged into the domain



"apt-get install smbclient"

edit /etc/samba/smb.conf so that "workgroup=" is set to your NT domain name.

restart samba with "/etc/init.d/samba restart"

mount shares with commands such as:
"smbmount //windowscomputername/sharename /somemountpoint -o 
username=yourNTDomainUserName"


(The "-o" and following is optional if you're logged into Linux with the 
same username as your NT domain username.)



Browse and manipulate shares (in Konqueror?)



I don't know of a way to do this directly in Konqueror; once you've 
smbmount'ed the shares, you'll just see them in K. as normal 
directories. I've played with a couple of GUI tools for mounting Win 
shares, but they were kind of "iffy"; I'm not sure of the names now, but 
maybe "tkChooser" was one, which can also mount Macintosh shares 
(assuming you have the necessary support built into your box).




Cheers,

William Leese



Kent

Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains [Konqueror]

[Carl Fink]

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 11:04:07AM -0400, dman wrote:
 
> I thought Konqueror was a web browser.

It's a hybrid web browser/file manager.  Yes, I think that's a bad
idea, but copying Microsoft is apparently all the rage.
-- 
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Programming

Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains [Konqueror]

[dman]

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 10:47:30AM +0200, William Leese wrote:

| Currently I can login to the PDC and other computers logged into the domain.
| All that needs to be done now is to get konqueror display a listing of all
| these computers.

I thought Konqueror was a web browser.  If it is, then I don't think
it will display samba stuff unless you have the share mounted and are
looking through directories the same way one would do on the web.

-D

RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains [Konqueror]

[William Leese]

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Pritchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: vrijdag 3 augustus 2001 10:38
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains
>
>
> > > You have to join the linux computer to the domain, which
> > > requires some level of admin privilages.  (We'll assume you
> > > have those)
> > >
> > > %>smppasswd -j domainname -r NetBIOS-name-of-PDC  (which the
> > > linux box needs to be able to resolve, either by broadcast,
> > > /etc/hosts or your samba lmhosts file (which should be in the
> > > same directory as your smb.conf file)
> >
> > No luck I'm afraid (yes, I corrected the typo :).
> >
> > I used: smbpassd -j DOMAIN -r pdchostname
> >
> > which just gives me a listing of the available parameters.
> >
> > Afterwhich i tried:
> >
> > smbpassd -s -j DOMAIN -r pdchostname -U 
> >
> > No luck, just  bunch of errors which I should have copied
> and sent to
> > the mailinglist, heh. But I don't think I'm going about
> this right. smbpassd
> > is only for changing user passwords correct?
> >
>
> RTFMP: -j is the correct option. Under NT you can enter a
> username and password
> to create a computer account on the Domain, but this
> functionality appears not
> to have been implemented in Samba. From the man Page:
>
> In order to be used in this way, the  Administrator
> for  the  Windows NT Domain must have used the
> program "Server Manager for Domains" to add  the
> primary NetBIOS name of the Samba server as a member
> of the Domain.
>
> Assuming your machine can resolve the PDC's hostname, I
> suggest you check this
> next.

Not an issue as this computer already is added to the domain, I'm not sure
if it needs to be re-added when in linux but it seems unlikely.

Currently I can login to the PDC and other computers logged into the domain.
All that needs to be done now is to get konqueror display a listing of all
these computers.

William Leese

RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[Andrew Pritchard]

> > You have to join the linux computer to the domain, which
> > requires some level of admin privilages.  (We'll assume you
> > have those)
> >
> > %>smppasswd -j domainname -r NetBIOS-name-of-PDC  (which the
> > linux box needs to be able to resolve, either by broadcast,
> > /etc/hosts or your samba lmhosts file (which should be in the
> > same directory as your smb.conf file)
> 
> No luck I'm afraid (yes, I corrected the typo :).
> 
> I used: smbpassd -j DOMAIN -r pdchostname
> 
> which just gives me a listing of the available parameters.
> 
> Afterwhich i tried:
> 
> smbpassd -s -j DOMAIN -r pdchostname -U 
> 
> No luck, just  bunch of errors which I should have copied and sent to
> the mailinglist, heh. But I don't think I'm going about this right. smbpassd
> is only for changing user passwords correct?
> 

RTFMP: -j is the correct option. Under NT you can enter a username and password 
to create a computer account on the Domain, but this functionality appears not 
to have been implemented in Samba. From the man Page:

In order to be used in this way, the  Administrator
for  the  Windows NT Domain must have used the
program "Server Manager for Domains" to add  the 
primary NetBIOS name of the Samba server as a member
of the Domain.

Assuming your machine can resolve the PDC's hostname, I suggest you check this 
next.

Andrew Pritchard
Whether you think you can,
Or whether you think you can't,
You're right

RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[William Leese]

We're Progressing. I've been able to login to the pdc and thus am able to
browse computers connected to the domain in Konqueror. However it asks for
my domain password everytime I change directories or computers.

Does KDE have some way of storing this? Or am I going about this wrongly?

So, I login into the PDC:

smbclient -L servername -U username%passwd

Then I get a list of all the computers connected to the domain (shouldn't
konqueror be using this?).

Run X and open Konqueror. Here, I'm unable to simply click "network" in the
sidebar so instead I type in the URL bar smb://servername, it prompts me for
a password (which I had already given when I logged into the PDC, so I
shouldn't have to do this) and continues to do so throughout my browsing (of
shares).

Anyone?

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Lieber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: vrijdag 3 augustus 2001 8:15
To: 'William Leese'; debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains


> You have to join the linux computer to the domain, which
> requires some level of admin privilages.  (We'll assume you
> have those)
>
> %>smppasswd -j domainname -r NetBIOS-name-of-PDC  (which the
> linux box needs to be able to resolve, either by broadcast,
> /etc/hosts or your samba lmhosts file (which should be in the
> same directory as your smb.conf file)

No luck I'm afraid (yes, I corrected the typo :).

I used: smbpassd -j DOMAIN -r pdchostname

RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[William Leese]

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Lieber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: vrijdag 3 augustus 2001 8:15
To: 'William Leese'; debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains


> You have to join the linux computer to the domain, which
> requires some level of admin privilages.  (We'll assume you
> have those)
>
> %>smppasswd -j domainname -r NetBIOS-name-of-PDC  (which the
> linux box needs to be able to resolve, either by broadcast,
> /etc/hosts or your samba lmhosts file (which should be in the
> same directory as your smb.conf file)

No luck I'm afraid (yes, I corrected the typo :).

I used: smbpassd -j DOMAIN -r pdchostname

which just gives me a listing of the available parameters.

Afterwhich i tried:

smbpassd -s -j DOMAIN -r pdchostname -U 

No luck, just  bunch of errors which I should have copied and sent to the
mailinglist, heh. But I don't think I'm going about this right. smbpassd is
only for changing user passwords correct?

Does anyone have this working with Konqueror?

Cheers,

William Leese

RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[Kurt Lieber]

> You have to join the linux computer to the domain, which 
> requires some level of admin privilages.  (We'll assume you 
> have those)
> 
> %>smppasswd -j domainname -r NetBIOS-name-of-PDC  (which the 
> linux box needs to be able to resolve, either by broadcast, 
> /etc/hosts or your samba lmhosts file (which should be in the 
> same directory as your smb.conf file)

I should also point out that, AFAIK, you have to create the computer
account in NT before you try to join it to the domain.  I don't believe
you can have samba tell NT to automatically create the account as you
join the domain.

--kurt

RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[Kurt Lieber]

> Login to the domain (pdc)

You have to join the linux computer to the domain, which requires some
level of admin privilages.  (We'll assume you have those)

%>smppasswd -j domainname -r NetBIOS-name-of-PDC  (which the linux box
needs to be able to resolve, either by broadcast, /etc/hosts or your
samba lmhosts file (which should be in the same directory as your
smb.conf file)

> View computers logged into the domain

no idea.  never had to do that from linux. Don't even know it can be
done in samba. 

> Browse and manipulate shares (in Konqueror?)

you can browse the shares on a specific server by doing:

%>smbclient -L servername -U username%passwd

as far as manipulating shares on a remote NT server -- dunno.  Don't
even know that samba can do this.

I've no idea why you would want to do this from Konqueror. I've always
used the command line so I don't know about a GUI interface.

Some of what you're asking to do suggests you're trying to admin an NT
box/domain from a linux machine.  If that's the case, I don't think
Samba is the right tool.  AFAIK, Samba is designed to allow sharing of
files and printers between NT and linux machines, but it's not designed
to provide NT admin tools like srvmgr.

--kurt

Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[William Leese]

On Friday 03 August 2001 00:57, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 04:20:20PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> > * Patrick Kirk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > > Hmmm!  Isn't the whole point of working for someone else to get them to
> > > buy these essential books for you before you set off as a fabulously
> > > well-paid contractor?
> >
> > IME you don't get to keep the books your employer's paid for. Which kinda
> > defeats the purpose -- unless you have retentive photographic memory, of
> > course.
>
> Did those employers also make you undergo treatment to forget any
> training you'd received?


Heh, there goes my topic.

For the record, I work for a helpdesk.

Again, I'm asking help. With SAMBA how do I:

Login to the domain (pdc)
View computers logged into the domain
Browse and manipulate shares (in Konqueror?)

Cheers,

William Leese

Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[Nathan E Norman]

On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 04:20:20PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> * Patrick Kirk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > Hmmm!  Isn't the whole point of working for someone else to get them to buy
> > these essential books for you before you set off as a fabulously well-paid
> > contractor?  
> 
> IME you don't get to keep the books your employer's paid for. Which kinda
> defeats the purpose -- unless you have retentive photographic memory, of 
> course.

Did those employers also make you undergo treatment to forget any
training you'd received?

-- 
Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better
Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow.
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   |   -- Patton


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Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[Patrick Kirk]

IME, you can't sit around the office reading books.  People complain.  Some
even risk saying that you don't have enough to do.  Others mutter that if
you have time to read books, perhaps teh company doesn't need you at all.
Secretaries gossip about people being fired "pour encourager les autres."

No, the sad truth is that if you put a book on the company credit card, you
have to take it home with you.

And when the dark day comes where a black bin bag on your desk when you
arrive at the office, IME getting your expenses payed is way more important
than dashing home to see if there's a book the ingrates want returned.

IME, its a cruel world out there where people don't have .edu in their email
addreses ;-)

- Original Message -
From: "Dimitri Maziuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains


| * Patrick Kirk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
| > Hmmm!  Isn't the whole point of working for someone else to get them to
buy
| > these essential books for you before you set off as a fabulously
well-paid
| > contractor?
|
| IME you don't get to keep the books your employer's paid for. Which kinda
| defeats the purpose -- unless you have retentive photographic memory, of
| course.
|
| > Next thing you'll be worrying about whether training courses
| > are value for money ;-)
|
| Nonono. With courses, you get to keep the letters (you know, the ones
| that get added after your surname), so that's different.
|
| Dima
| --
| E-mail dmaziuk at bmrb dot wisc dot edu (@work) or at crosswinds dot net
(@home)
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public key
| Well, lusers are technically human.  -- Red Drag Diva
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Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Patrick Kirk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> Hmmm!  Isn't the whole point of working for someone else to get them to buy
> these essential books for you before you set off as a fabulously well-paid
> contractor?  

IME you don't get to keep the books your employer's paid for. Which kinda
defeats the purpose -- unless you have retentive photographic memory, of 
course.

> Next thing you'll be worrying about whether training courses
> are value for money ;-)

Nonono. With courses, you get to keep the letters (you know, the ones
that get added after your surname), so that's different.

Dima
-- 
E-mail dmaziuk at bmrb dot wisc dot edu (@work) or at crosswinds dot net (@home)
http://www.bmrb.wisc.edu/descript/gpgkey.dmaziuk.ascii -- GnuPG 1.0.4 public key
Well, lusers are technically human.  -- Red Drag Diva in asr

Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[Patrick Kirk]

Hmmm!  Isn't the whole point of working for someone else to get them to buy
these essential books for you before you set off as a fabulously well-paid
contractor?  Next thing you'll be worrying about whether training courses
are value for money ;-)
- Original Message -
From: "William Leese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains


| On Thursday 02 August 2001 17:01, Kurt Lieber wrote:
| > If you're an NT administrator moving over to Linux, then I highly
| > recommend the book "Linux for Windows NT/2000 Administrators: The Secret
| > Decoder Ring" by Mark Minasi. It's chock full of great examples and
| > NT-->linux translations.  It also has a great tutorial on getting samba
| > up and running within an existing NT domain.
| >
| > I used it to get my potato box up and running on my home network with no
| > problems at all.
| >
|
| well, i'm afraid i'm cheap and lazy :) i'd rather have some good online
| tutorials to get things  up and running initially.. and then learn
everything
| lateron when trying to fix small annoyances.
|
| > > -Original Message-
| > > From: William Leese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:53 AM
| > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
| > > Subject: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains
| > >
| > >
| > > Hello list,
| > >
| > > I'm trying to get a Debian GNU/Linux machine up and running
| > > within an NT domain. My needs are simple:
| > >
| > > be able to login to the domain
| > > be able to view all computers logged into the domain
| > > be able to browse shares
| > >
| > > Does anyone have any experience with this?
| > >
| > > I'm aware that I have to use SAMBA, and have been looking at
| > > the HOWTO. However I don't have enough time (at work) to do
| > > through the documentation properly, a quick scan didn't bringup much.
| > >
| > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
| > >
| > > Cheers,
| > >
| > > William Leese
| > >
| > >
| > > --
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Re: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[William Leese]

On Thursday 02 August 2001 17:01, Kurt Lieber wrote:
> If you're an NT administrator moving over to Linux, then I highly
> recommend the book "Linux for Windows NT/2000 Administrators: The Secret
> Decoder Ring" by Mark Minasi. It's chock full of great examples and
> NT-->linux translations.  It also has a great tutorial on getting samba
> up and running within an existing NT domain.
>
> I used it to get my potato box up and running on my home network with no
> problems at all.
>

well, i'm afraid i'm cheap and lazy :) i'd rather have some good online 
tutorials to get things  up and running initially.. and then learn everything 
lateron when trying to fix small annoyances.

> > -Original Message-
> > From: William Leese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:53 AM
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains
> >
> >
> > Hello list,
> >
> > I'm trying to get a Debian GNU/Linux machine up and running
> > within an NT domain. My needs are simple:
> >
> > be able to login to the domain
> > be able to view all computers logged into the domain
> > be able to browse shares
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with this?
> >
> > I'm aware that I have to use SAMBA, and have been looking at
> > the HOWTO. However I don't have enough time (at work) to do
> > through the documentation properly, a quick scan didn't bringup much.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > William Leese
> >
> >
> > --
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
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RE: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[Kurt Lieber]

If you're an NT administrator moving over to Linux, then I highly
recommend the book "Linux for Windows NT/2000 Administrators: The Secret
Decoder Ring" by Mark Minasi. It's chock full of great examples and
NT-->linux translations.  It also has a great tutorial on getting samba
up and running within an existing NT domain.

I used it to get my potato box up and running on my home network with no
problems at all.

hth

--kurt

> -Original Message-
> From: William Leese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:53 AM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Linux in the workplace: NT Domains
> 
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I'm trying to get a Debian GNU/Linux machine up and running 
> within an NT domain. My needs are simple:
> 
> be able to login to the domain
> be able to view all computers logged into the domain
> be able to browse shares
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with this?
> 
> I'm aware that I have to use SAMBA, and have been looking at 
> the HOWTO. However I don't have enough time (at work) to do 
> through the documentation properly, a quick scan didn't bringup much.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> William Leese
> 
> 
> -- 
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> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 

Linux in the workplace: NT Domains

[William Leese]

Hello list,

I'm trying to get a Debian GNU/Linux machine up and running within an NT
domain. My needs are simple:

be able to login to the domain
be able to view all computers logged into the domain
be able to browse shares

Does anyone have any experience with this?

I'm aware that I have to use SAMBA, and have been looking at the HOWTO.
However I don't have enough time (at work) to do through the documentation
properly, a quick scan didn't bringup much.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

William Leese

Re: linux in the workplace

[graz]

On 10 Dec, Zack Brown wrote:

> The basic system I am planning on will be Debian/KDE, since I use Debian
> myself, and find KDE to be most similar in appearance to ms-windows (no
> insult intended to KDE).

as an extra bonus, you could show them how flexible linux + X are, and
when you've finished demo-ing KDE, switch to another window manager
which is fairly different yet very professional looking and visually
appealing. yes, I'm referring to Window Maker [1].

I would have thought that would make a rather nice end to your demo.
many people in my office have seen it (wm), and have asked how to
install linux simply because they like the interface I'm using so much.
they haven't actually done it yet, but that's life.

[1] http://windowmaker.org/

-- 
Graham

linux in the workplace

[Zack Brown]

I have the opportunity to introduce linux into my company, completely
replacing the very flaky windows 95 system that we currently use.

Their primary software is Paradox and FileMaker Pro 4.0. As far as I can
make out, the other needs of the system are trivial (word perfect,
networking, internet connectivity, etc.). But for the database programs, the
need is for a graphical, form-based system of data-entry; label generation;
and other standard features. Easy scripting and extensibility would be a
definite plus.

Ideally, I would set up the system on my laptop, bring it in, and show them
how much better it is than what we currently use. So the look and feel must
be at least as good as what we currently use, in order to have a chance at
all.

The basic system I am planning on will be Debian/KDE, since I use Debian
myself, and find KDE to be most similar in appearance to ms-windows (no
insult intended to KDE).

Zack