Re: manglement-compatible comparison of SuSE vs. Debian
On 26 Feb 2003 18:10:30 GMT, Harvey Kelly writes: But, and please forgive my newbie-ignorance :) why do you want him to switch? Surely the fact that he's running SuSE and seems happy with it should be enough? Debian and SuSE are both Linux after all - different flavours of course, but not that far apart. SuSE is a PITA to keep up-to-date compared with the simplicity and beauty of having security.d.o in sources.list and a one-line cron-job. Besides, Debian doesn't crap my hand-crafted config-files, and, probably the most important point: I *know* Debian. Now if he was running Mandrake, then I'd understand... I'm in the position to never have touched Mandrake, thanks $deity. cheers, rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / signature.ng Description: PGP signature
Re: manglement-compatible comparison of SuSE vs. Debian
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 05:43:26PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why switch? SuSE is a great product, and easy to support. I would probably recommend a business go with a commercial distro like SuSE as opposed to a devout hobbyist/community based distro like Debian. One of my friends gives the reason for moving from SuSE to Anything is Dude! It's SuSE! It's German and weird! Not that normally either of those are disqualifying factors for anything with him...he's pretty damn weird no matter how you qualify it and he listens to German industrial and noise (yes, noise is a genre, and it delivers what it advertises even to those who like it) nearly exclusively. But he does have a point, SuSE is German. It's also indescribably weird, not that this is particularly bad (I'm not used to SuSE), though this has nothing to do with being German. But seriously, if you had the choice between apt-getty goodness and anything else, which would you pick? Heck, I wish I could use apt-get on reality. # apt-get install sex girlfriend apartment-in-edmonton perfect-work-schedule Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: night-midweek-shift american-job apartment-in-beaverton The following extra packages will be installed: canadian-residency canadian-job passport life day-shift weekends-off higher-income The following NEW packages will be installed: canadian-residency canadian-job passport life day-shift weekends-off higher-income sex girlfriend apartment-in-edmonton perfect-work-schedule 0 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 3 to remove and 37 not upgraded. Need to get 12.9MB of archives. After unpacking 23.8MB will be used. Sometimes you just need to tweek the packages you already have without making serious life changing adjustments. In this case, you could dpkg-reconfigure beverage to change that generic soft drink into a refreshing cold Kokanee or Molsons after work. Don't want it in a can and want to start over? dpkg-reconfigure -plow beverage will start you from the top so you can get that Kokanee in a pint instead. Be warned, though, attempting to dpkg-reconfigure -plow person may have unexpected social and legal ramifications when used on someone the incorrect gender or inclination, or when used at inappropriate times or places. Though now that I think of it...when will this functionality be included? 8:o) -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: manglement-compatible comparison of SuSE vs. Debian
On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:15, Paul Johnson wrote: this is particularly bad (I'm not used to SuSE), though this has nothing to do with being German. But seriously, if you had the choice between apt-getty goodness and anything else, which would you pick? Heck, I wish I could use apt-get on reality. Then who would control your sources.list file? The americans? With SuSE I could work, with debian I spend more time upgrading KDE to 3.1 than I like. Svenn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
manglement-compatible comparison of SuSE vs. Debian
One of our customers runs his firewall on SuSE. This is, obvious to any Debian user, not what one wants to support. However, in order to be able to convince him that changing to Debian would be a Good(tm) idea, I need a management-compatible comparison, preferrably from a third party. If it features a lot of buzzwords like TCO, maintenance costs etc, even better ;) So, if some kind soul round here has a fitting URL at hand, please toss it my way. google was not very helpful in that regard, as what I found is either way too far in the technical details, or aimed at the switching-from-windos desktop-focused audience. cheers+TIA, rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / signature.ng Description: PGP signature
Re: manglement-compatible comparison of SuSE vs. Debian
But, and please forgive my newbie-ignorance :) why do you want him to switch? Surely the fact that he's running SuSE and seems happy with it should be enough? Debian and SuSE are both Linux after all - different flavours of course, but not that far apart. Now if he was running Mandrake, then I'd understand... Cheers. Harvey On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 17:21, Robert Waldner wrote: One of our customers runs his firewall on SuSE. This is, obvious to any Debian user, not what one wants to support. However, in order to be able to convince him that changing to Debian would be a Good(tm) idea, I need a management-compatible comparison, preferrably from a third party. If it features a lot of buzzwords like TCO, maintenance costs etc, even better ;) So, if some kind soul round here has a fitting URL at hand, please toss it my way. google was not very helpful in that regard, as what I found is either way too far in the technical details, or aimed at the switching-from-windos desktop-focused audience. cheers+TIA, rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: manglement-compatible comparison of SuSE vs. Debian
Why switch? SuSE is a great product, and easy to support. I would probably recommend a business go with a commercial distro like SuSE as opposed to a devout hobbyist/community based distro like Debian. On 26-Feb-2003 Robert Waldner wrote: One of our customers runs his firewall on SuSE. This is, obvious to any Debian user, not what one wants to support. However, in order to be able to convince him that changing to Debian would be a Good(tm) idea, I need a management-compatible comparison, preferrably from a third party. If it features a lot of buzzwords like TCO, maintenance costs etc, even better ;) So, if some kind soul round here has a fitting URL at hand, please toss it my way. google was not very helpful in that regard, as what I found is either way too far in the technical details, or aimed at the switching-from-windos desktop-focused audience. cheers+TIA, rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / --- Arlen Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To any truly impartial person, it would be obvious that I am always right. This message was sent by XFmail (Linux) -o) /\\ _\_v The penguins are coming... the penguins are coming... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
