Re: more alt key questions
Lo, on Saturday, April 6, Bob Thibodeau did write: > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:16:35PM -0600, Richard Cobbe wrote: > > First step: see what keysym your alt keys are generating. Run xev (from > > the xbase-clients package), make sure the new window has focus, and hit > > both alt keys. If you want the plastic bump labeled `alt' on your > > keyboard to act as meta in emacs, then you should see something like the > > following: > > KeyRelease event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x161, > > root 0x31, subw 0x0, time 223020366, (56,121), root:(810,145), > > state 0x8, keycode 113 (keysym 0xffe8, Meta_R), same_screen YES, ~~~ ~ > > XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" > Events are received, 64 and 113. Since you've already fixed this, I'm just nitpicking. The relevant details here are not the keycodes but the keysyms. Your keyboard generates, in hardware, a number corresponding to each key (= physical piece of plastic) on the board; this number is the keycode. The X server receives this and maps it into a keysym. The server sends the keysym to the application with input focus; apps should never see raw keycodes. (On PC hardware, anyway; not sure about how other systems work off the top of my head.) For this situation, you'd want to see the keys generating keysyms Meta_L and Meta_R. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOLVED Re: more alt key questions
After sleeping on it, I realized that I needed to combine some of the solutions I had tried. I had to switch meta <-> alt AND turn off wm grabbing. I had thought I did that, but apparently not. Thanks, everybody! Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more alt key questions
64 and 113 On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:16:35PM -0600, Richard Cobbe wrote: > Lo, on Saturday, April 6, Bob Thibodeau did write: > > > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:32:59PM +0200, Carel Fellinger wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:09:00AM -0500, Bob Thibodeau wrote: > > > > I just went back through the archives to questions I thought > > > > would help. They did, but for a different problem ( which > > > > I wasn't having). > > > > > > > > I used to have a 'meta' key in Emacs. I also used to do > > > > Ctrl-A, Alt-d in xterms to erase a command. Now my alt > > > > key doesn't affect the letters at all (alt-x prints 'x'). > > > > > > > > I can still Ctrl-Alt-Fx to switch consoles and > > > > Alt-TAB switches windows in Icewm. > > > > > > Could it be that your window manager thinks alt keys are for him? > > > > I tried without a window manager with the same same results. > > No menu, of course, but no effect from the alt keys. > > First step: see what keysym your alt keys are generating. Run xev (from > the xbase-clients package), make sure the new window has focus, and hit > both alt keys. If you want the plastic bump labeled `alt' on your > keyboard to act as meta in emacs, then you should see something like the > following: > > KeyPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x161, > root 0x31, subw 0x0, time 223019973, (56,121), root:(810,145), > state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe7, Meta_L), same_screen YES, > XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" > > KeyRelease event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x161, > root 0x31, subw 0x0, time 223020047, (56,121), root:(810,145), > state 0x8, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe7, Meta_L), same_screen YES, > XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" > > KeyPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x161, > root 0x31, subw 0x0, time 223020300, (56,121), root:(810,145), > state 0x0, keycode 113 (keysym 0xffe8, Meta_R), same_screen YES, > XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" > > KeyRelease event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x161, > root 0x31, subw 0x0, time 223020366, (56,121), root:(810,145), > state 0x8, keycode 113 (keysym 0xffe8, Meta_R), same_screen YES, > XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" > > If you see different keysyms, then your X keyboard settings are off. > Check your X server configuration file or use xmodmap(1) or xkeycaps to > adjust this. > > If you don't see any events in response to you hitting the Alt keys, > then something (probably your window manager) is intercepting the keys > before it gets to the server. Adjust your WM config. (Based on your > description above, though, I don't think this is happening.) > > HTH, > > Richard Events are received, 64 and 113. Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more alt key questions
Lo, on Saturday, April 6, Bob Thibodeau did write: > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:32:59PM +0200, Carel Fellinger wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:09:00AM -0500, Bob Thibodeau wrote: > > > I just went back through the archives to questions I thought > > > would help. They did, but for a different problem ( which > > > I wasn't having). > > > > > > I used to have a 'meta' key in Emacs. I also used to do > > > Ctrl-A, Alt-d in xterms to erase a command. Now my alt > > > key doesn't affect the letters at all (alt-x prints 'x'). > > > > > > I can still Ctrl-Alt-Fx to switch consoles and > > > Alt-TAB switches windows in Icewm. > > > > Could it be that your window manager thinks alt keys are for him? > > I tried without a window manager with the same same results. > No menu, of course, but no effect from the alt keys. First step: see what keysym your alt keys are generating. Run xev (from the xbase-clients package), make sure the new window has focus, and hit both alt keys. If you want the plastic bump labeled `alt' on your keyboard to act as meta in emacs, then you should see something like the following: KeyPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x161, root 0x31, subw 0x0, time 223019973, (56,121), root:(810,145), state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe7, Meta_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" KeyRelease event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x161, root 0x31, subw 0x0, time 223020047, (56,121), root:(810,145), state 0x8, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe7, Meta_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" KeyPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x161, root 0x31, subw 0x0, time 223020300, (56,121), root:(810,145), state 0x0, keycode 113 (keysym 0xffe8, Meta_R), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" KeyRelease event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x161, root 0x31, subw 0x0, time 223020366, (56,121), root:(810,145), state 0x8, keycode 113 (keysym 0xffe8, Meta_R), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" If you see different keysyms, then your X keyboard settings are off. Check your X server configuration file or use xmodmap(1) or xkeycaps to adjust this. If you don't see any events in response to you hitting the Alt keys, then something (probably your window manager) is intercepting the keys before it gets to the server. Adjust your WM config. (Based on your description above, though, I don't think this is happening.) HTH, Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more alt key questions
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:32:59PM +0200, Carel Fellinger wrote: > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:09:00AM -0500, Bob Thibodeau wrote: > > I just went back through the archives to questions I thought > > would help. They did, but for a different problem ( which > > I wasn't having). > > > > I used to have a 'meta' key in Emacs. I also used to do > > Ctrl-A, Alt-d in xterms to erase a command. Now my alt > > key doesn't affect the letters at all (alt-x prints 'x'). > > > > I can still Ctrl-Alt-Fx to switch consoles and > > Alt-TAB switches windows in Icewm. > > Could it be that your window manager thinks alt keys are for him? I tried without a window manager with the same same results. No menu, of course, but no effect from the alt keys. Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more alt key questions
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:09:00AM -0500, Bob Thibodeau wrote: > I just went back through the archives to questions I thought > would help. They did, but for a different problem ( which > I wasn't having). > > I used to have a 'meta' key in Emacs. I also used to do > Ctrl-A, Alt-d in xterms to erase a command. Now my alt > key doesn't affect the letters at all (alt-x prints 'x'). > > I can still Ctrl-Alt-Fx to switch consoles and > Alt-TAB switches windows in Icewm. Could it be that your window manager thinks alt keys are for him? -- groetjes, carel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
more alt key questions
I just went back through the archives to questions I thought would help. They did, but for a different problem ( which I wasn't having). I used to have a 'meta' key in Emacs. I also used to do Ctrl-A, Alt-d in xterms to erase a command. Now my alt key doesn't affect the letters at all (alt-x prints 'x'). I can still Ctrl-Alt-Fx to switch consoles and Alt-TAB switches windows in Icewm. I have a Windoze key which brings up the menu (which behavior transfered to the alt key when I tried an earlier suggestion to somebody else's question). How do I get my alt key back the way it used to work? Thanks, Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
