Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On 08/15/2012 12:22 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:58:55PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:32:10 +0200, maderios wrote: This new Gimp's behaviour is not a bug but a (weird) developper's choice Developer's choices can be changed when enough people think they're wrong or simply badly put. That's when you can open a wishlist bug report to politely ask for a review of the default settings. In message http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg00713.html I posted this link: http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/gimp-2.8-understanding-ui-changes That explains the changes fairly well. Also this is makes an interesting point: (regarding Linux and choice) http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html Hi Yes, I thought at first that we could arrange the problem and recoverer a normal situation, that of gimp-2.6 and other text/picture editors, with reassigning shortcuts. I tried everything. Impossible. The problem is not some hate or some adaptation to new behavior. Gimp 2.8 is not unusable for me. It may be usable by non professional people. This not my case. So back to 2.6 version Regards Maderios -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/502b7406.7020...@gmail.com
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:22:04 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:58:55PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:32:10 +0200, maderios wrote: This new Gimp's behaviour is not a bug but a (weird) developper's choice Developer's choices can be changed when enough people think they're wrong or simply badly put. That's when you can open a wishlist bug report to politely ask for a review of the default settings. In message http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg00713.html I posted this link: http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/gimp-2.8-understanding-ui-changes That explains the changes fairly well. Things can be explained ad infinitum but that won't change the fact they are bad or good for you, for me or for the others. If I don't like how a program is behaving and I can't cope with a new default which cannot be changed I will tell developers about it, regardless they like it or not and despite the change has been explained ad infinitum or not. That's how I think things have to be done in FLOSS projects where everybody collaborates at some degree. Of course, it does not mean my complaint will make the default to be reverted but before I stop using an application I have to give it such chance. Also this is makes an interesting point: (regarding Linux and choice) http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html I don't know what's your point here because every single developer is a world (has an opinion) and what does not fit for some it does for others. Of course, Linux (as everything else in this world) is about choice: devels choice and users choice. And we don't have to forget that the success of a project will depend on a fair equation for a balanced choice ratio: if balance is inclined to the devels part, users will fly away from you; if balance is inclined to users, devels can request for additional petitions such as payment for their work... and we all know that both extremes are neither good as it usually leads to projects being abandoned. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k0gbqk$anh$4...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:59:24 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:58:55PM +, Camaleón wrote: Developer's choices can be changed when enough people think they're wrong or simply badly put. That's when you can open a wishlist bug report to politely ask for a review of the default settings. OpenSource Development isn't a democracy. That's not the user business. I, as a user, have the moral requirement of telling developers what I think they are doing wrong, expressing my POV (which, by the way, that's what I do when I find a bug or error in a program and that's why normal bug reports and wishlist bug report are for). If more users do feel the same and append their comments in the report, it can make a decission to be reviewed or even modified because it is plain silly to don't hear what your users (not one or two but hundreds) are requesting because you will expose to lose them. FLOSS projects have to be two-way communication path (in both directions), if this fails and users are only treated (or feel) as guinea pigs they will, of course, move to a different project that cares about them. BTW This change isn't going to be reverted. It's the way pros work in the Graphics Industry when they're using layering and alpha channels. They need a way to save non-destructively and with all content. That this is finally changed or not it does not matter. Users have a responsability in telling what are their feelings about a default change. If I were a developer I'd like to get feedback from my users, programming for the sake of programming has to be a very boring task. If people don't like the way GIMP is working in 2.8 then they most likely aren't the target audience that the GIMP developers are aiming for. It's not like there aren't lots of simple editors about, so choose one that fits the work-flow you wish to use. Yes, I've been told that Photoshop is very good for this job and also comes for free (as in beer). Hope you get the irony ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k0dn72$vu0$7...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:58:55PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:32:10 +0200, maderios wrote: This new Gimp's behaviour is not a bug but a (weird) developper's choice Developer's choices can be changed when enough people think they're wrong or simply badly put. That's when you can open a wishlist bug report to politely ask for a review of the default settings. In message http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg00713.html I posted this link: http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/gimp-2.8-understanding-ui-changes That explains the changes fairly well. Also this is makes an interesting point: (regarding Linux and choice) http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2012081404.GB30871@tal
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:44:38 +0200, maderios wrote: It's annoying but you will get more results (if any) by reporting it to the right places. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html I meant GNOME's bugzilla where bugs are triaged and fixed (well, sometimes) ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k0b2c9$9nn$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On 08/13/2012 04:18 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:44:38 +0200, maderios wrote: It's annoying but you will get more results (if any) by reporting it to the right places. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html I meant GNOME's bugzilla where bugs are triaged and fixed (well, sometimes) ;-) Greetings, This new Gimp's behaviour is not a bug but a (weird) developper's choice Best regards Maderios -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50291dfa.1020...@gmail.com
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:32:10 +0200, maderios wrote: On 08/13/2012 04:18 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:44:38 +0200, maderios wrote: It's annoying but you will get more results (if any) by reporting it to the right places. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html I meant GNOME's bugzilla where bugs are triaged and fixed (well, sometimes) ;-) This new Gimp's behaviour is not a bug but a (weird) developper's choice Developer's choices can be changed when enough people think they're wrong or simply badly put. That's when you can open a wishlist bug report to politely ask for a review of the default settings. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k0b87v$9nn$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: However, at the moment Linux comes with one negative surprise after the other. GNOME3, noveau, forcing people to install systemd dependencies, while not using systemd (perhaps not Debian) etc.. Upstream is disconnected from the user base. It's unfortunate that we all conflate GNOME 3 and GNOME Shell - it's probably and understandably intentional on the part of GNOME - because, AIUI, GNOME 3 is a big improvement over GNOME 2 (except, for some, for the requirement of hardware acceleration or LLVM) and GNOME Shell is a disappointment for some/many because of the new UI (not me), for some/many because it shunts off basic functionality into extensions or the use of gconf/dconf/gsettings (definitely for me), and for some/many both. If it were possible to customize GNOME Shell with GUI tools installed by default, there'd be fewer users disappointed by the new UI. I've forgotten why I read some threads on arch-general after you posted in a July d-u thread, but, from what I remember, what you're calling systemd dependencies are /etc files proposed by the systemd developers to hold configuration information that used to be held in /etc/rc.conf and that the Arch initscripts/systemd maintainer has adopted (without invalidating the rc.conf settings since, for example, setting 'HOSTNAME=hostname in rc.conf overrides setting hostname in /etc/hostname). Whether distributions adopt systemd or not, it's high time that there was some standardization across distributions, for a few things at least. I don't remember the entire list but having the hostname set in /etc/hostname (a Debianism by the way), the locale in /etc/locale.conf, the keyboard map and font in /etc/vconsole.conf, sysctl values in /etc/sysctl.d/ (exists in squeeze and wheezy), and distribution information in /etc/os-release (exists in wheezy! OMG systemd's creeping into Debian!) is a good thing, irrespective of whether it supplants previous configuration options in /etc/default/ or elsewhere (or /etc/rc.conf in Arch). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SzvAu7HVqYiGu4xU+Q_g4EbScuW9pVXU=j7eviesmp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
Tom, you answer is very smart, but it also contains how hard to understand it's for users like me. There are to much changes at the same time. I suspect that nearly no averaged user like me has the time to learn all this new stuff, that quick as perhaps needed. And I still have got doubts that Mr. P. doesn't include too much faux pas to systemd. Users are users, we have knowledge about our needs, but we can't keep track with all random changes regarding to the infrastructure, the basics, if those changes that hardcore forced. For good software like GIMP it's simply a tragedy to change it that baseless. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1344884655.1386.183.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:04:15 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net napísal: Users are users, we have knowledge about our needs, but we can't keep track with all random changes regarding to the infrastructure, the basics, if those changes that hardcore forced. For good software like GIMP it's simply a tragedy to change it that baseless. I have no problem with change from Save to Export. It has some logic, but annoying is to confirm rewrite image at first export, because mostly from my exports are first exports :-) regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:58:55PM +, Camaleón wrote: Developer's choices can be changed when enough people think they're wrong or simply badly put. That's when you can open a wishlist bug report to politely ask for a review of the default settings. OpenSource Development isn't a democracy. BTW This change isn't going to be reverted. It's the way pros work in the Graphics Industry when they're using layering and alpha channels. They need a way to save non-destructively and with all content. If people don't like the way GIMP is working in 2.8 then they most likely aren't the target audience that the GIMP developers are aiming for. It's not like there aren't lots of simple editors about, so choose one that fits the work-flow you wish to use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120814005924.ga6...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 01:40 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:35 PM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/11/2012 08:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same and we need to use export nowadays. Save and save as are different Save= save the same file (same name) after modifying this file Ex1: I open house.png, I change contrast, luminosity then I save it I use only one key to do it: s It takes 1/5 second Save as= save this file with another name, another extension Ex2: I open house.png, I change contrast, luminosity, I delete some details I don't like with rubber then save it under another name like house-2 because it's a different version. I use only one key to save it under house-2.png: u Ex3: I open house.png. I need .xcf version to build a new image with layers, etc. I use only one key to save it under house.xcf: u Very quick and simple For me, export word is useless and confusing. Export to what? To jpeg, png, xcf, tiff ? It depends on the file where you start. You could start with a jpeg and want to export to .xcf, or the contrary Save as function is clear: only one key to use and you change only the extension or file name. It's the gimp-2.6 behavior. You might enjoy this three-part thread... http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-April/107586.html http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-April/107603.html http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-May/107697.html There are other changes that some folks don't like. Btw. I know Photoshop users using old versions of Photoshop, because they run into similar issues. However, at the moment Linux comes with one negative surprise after the other. GNOME3, noveau, forcing people to install systemd dependencies, while not using systemd (perhaps not Debian) etc.. Upstream is disconnected from the user base. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1344766539.2207.8.camel@precise
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 08:30:55PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: For professional artists (music and drawing) Linux breaks the workflow Linux hasn't anything todo with this! GIMP is available for Windows as well. http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/gimp-2.8-understanding-ui-changes -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120812141935.GC19516@tal
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:21:35 +0200, maderios wrote: Hi I posted this message on the Gimp user list gimp-user-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/msg00061.html And you repost here because...? I mean, maybe this is more suitable for debian-gnome-gtk or better yet, for a wishlist bug report in GNOME ;-) Hi This message is addressed to developers. New Gimp-2.8 would be a good tool but it is unusable for me. Example: I use, hundreds of times per hour, the functions save and save as, indifferently on .png. xcf or .jpeg. To this end, I set two keyboard shortcuts with one finger: save=s and save as=u. So I can save lot of time. With version 2.8 , it's impossible . I'm not aware of that issue. Can you please expand a bit more about the nature of the impossibility? Anyway, if that's something intended → bugzilla (wishlist report), if that's an error → bugzilla (normal report) :-) I'm professional. My job is to work on images and I can't lost my time. Sorry... So back to Gimp-2.6. I compiled it on Debian Testing/Wheezy (after downgrading gegl and babl) and it works well. This is very annoying. It would be nice to recover ergonomics and traditional functions save and save as in Gimp-2.8. At least give the user the choice Users have to support these kind of changes almost every day ;-( It's annoying but you will get more results (if any) by reporting it to the right places. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k08emh$fer$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 02:19 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 08:30:55PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: For professional artists (music and drawing) Linux breaks the workflow Linux hasn't anything todo with this! GIMP is available for Windows as well. I know, but in the early days GIMP couldn't compare with Photoshop and later many users were not aware of GIMP, so pro users usually used Photoshop. Btw. pro users did bought packages, usually they used a Mac instead of Windows. However, GIMP is FLOSS. http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/gimp-2.8-understanding-ui-changes I don't spend time to read this. Graphic isn't that important to me as music is, anyway, a workflow is a workflow, is a workflow. People are pissed of Photoshop updates too, but since they pay for it, they guess it's ok to suffer :D. FLOSS should be smarter and take care about the users. If GIMP users should be consumers, then everything is plausible. If GIMP is for professionals, than well, that's a serious issue. 2 Cents, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1344786839.2207.66.camel@precise
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
It's annoying but you will get more results (if any) by reporting it to the right places. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/502815b6.9030...@gmail.com
Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
Hi I posted this message on the Gimp user list gimp-user-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html Hi This message is addressed to developers. New Gimp-2.8 would be a good tool but it is unusable for me. Example: I use, hundreds of times per hour, the functions save and save as, indifferently on .png. xcf or .jpeg. To this end, I set two keyboard shortcuts with one finger: save=s and save as=u. So I can save lot of time. With version 2.8 , it's impossible . I'm professional. My job is to work on images and I can't lost my time. Sorry... So back to Gimp-2.6. I compiled it on Debian Testing/Wheezy (after downgrading gegl and babl) and it works well. This is very annoying. It would be nice to recover ergonomics and traditional functions save and save as in Gimp-2.8. At least give the user the choice Thanks for your work. Best regards Maderios -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5026a2af.1040...@gmail.com
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 20:21 +0200, maderios wrote: Hi I posted this message on the Gimp user list gimp-user-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html Hi This message is addressed to developers. New Gimp-2.8 would be a good tool but it is unusable for me. Example: I use, hundreds of times per hour, the functions save and save as, indifferently on .png. xcf or .jpeg. To this end, I set two keyboard shortcuts with one finger: save=s and save as=u. So I can save lot of time. With version 2.8 , it's impossible . I'm professional. My job is to work on images and I can't lost my time. Sorry... So back to Gimp-2.6. I compiled it on Debian Testing/Wheezy (after downgrading gegl and babl) and it works well. This is very annoying. It would be nice to recover ergonomics and traditional functions save and save as in Gimp-2.8. At least give the user the choice Thanks for your work. Best regards Maderios The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same and we need to use export nowadays. For professional artists (music and drawing) Linux breaks the workflow much to often. If possible I don't upgrade a system that once fit to my needs, unfortunately there are sometimes reasons to upgrade. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1344709855.1254.43.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On 11/08/12 02:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 20:21 +0200, maderios wrote: Hi I posted this message on the Gimp user list gimp-user-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/date.html Hi This message is addressed to developers. New Gimp-2.8 would be a good tool but it is unusable for me. Example: I use, hundreds of times per hour, the functions save and save as, indifferently on .png. xcf or .jpeg. To this end, I set two keyboard shortcuts with one finger: save=s and save as=u. So I can save lot of time. With version 2.8 , it's impossible . I'm professional. My job is to work on images and I can't lost my time. Sorry... So back to Gimp-2.6. I compiled it on Debian Testing/Wheezy (after downgrading gegl and babl) and it works well. This is very annoying. It would be nice to recover ergonomics and traditional functions save and save as in Gimp-2.8. At least give the user the choice Thanks for your work. Best regards Maderios The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same and we need to use export nowadays. For professional artists (music and drawing) Linux breaks the workflow much to often. If possible I don't upgrade a system that once fit to my needs, unfortunately there are sometimes reasons to upgrade. Regards, Ralf I agree that the use export instead of save / save as is a little bizarre. However, it doesn't really destroy the workflow - just the muscle memory. I'd like to see export do something different - such as save a part of file or save into a non-graphic format. However, The Gimp isn't the only application that has trouble figuring out what belongs in save / save as and what belongs in export. Just get used to it. If you use The Gimp that much, it shouldn't take long. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5026b9b5.3080...@rogers.com
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On 08/11/2012 08:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same and we need to use export nowadays. Save and save as are different Save= save the same file (same name) after modifying this file Ex1: I open house.png, I change contrast, luminosity then I save it I use only one key to do it: s It takes 1/5 second Save as= save this file with another name, another extension Ex2: I open house.png, I change contrast, luminosity, I delete some details I don't like with rubber then save it under another name like house-2 because it's a different version. I use only one key to save it under house-2.png: u Ex3: I open house.png. I need .xcf version to build a new image with layers, etc. I use only one key to save it under house.xcf: u Very quick and simple For me, export word is useless and confusing. Export to what? To jpeg, png, xcf, tiff ? It depends on the file where you start. You could start with a jpeg and want to export to .xcf, or the contrary Save as function is clear: only one key to use and you change only the extension or file name. It's the gimp-2.6 behavior. Regards M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5026c1f8.5090...@gmail.com
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 22:35 +0200, maderios wrote: On 08/11/2012 08:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same and we need to use export nowadays. Save and save as are different They should be different, but they aren't, at least not for [spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi gimp Name : gimp Version: 2.8.0-2 I'll take a look later at Ubuntu, I suspect the Debian I've got is using an older version. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1344730886.1253.5.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:35 PM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/11/2012 08:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: The strange thing IMO is, that save and save as are completely the same and we need to use export nowadays. Save and save as are different Save= save the same file (same name) after modifying this file Ex1: I open house.png, I change contrast, luminosity then I save it I use only one key to do it: s It takes 1/5 second Save as= save this file with another name, another extension Ex2: I open house.png, I change contrast, luminosity, I delete some details I don't like with rubber then save it under another name like house-2 because it's a different version. I use only one key to save it under house-2.png: u Ex3: I open house.png. I need .xcf version to build a new image with layers, etc. I use only one key to save it under house.xcf: u Very quick and simple For me, export word is useless and confusing. Export to what? To jpeg, png, xcf, tiff ? It depends on the file where you start. You could start with a jpeg and want to export to .xcf, or the contrary Save as function is clear: only one key to use and you change only the extension or file name. It's the gimp-2.6 behavior. You might enjoy this three-part thread... http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-April/107586.html http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-April/107603.html http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-May/107697.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Swu94nihR4d79+pO-7sdUVe44fxsq=B_okPq4-=hcu...@mail.gmail.com
[OFF-TOPIC] GIMP x Photoshop
Eu quero propor na minha empresa que a gente substitua o Photoshop pelo GIMP, e
gostaria de saber de bons argumentos (além das licenças e da disponibilidade de
documentação) para apoiar essa proposta. Se alguém tiver algum estudo de caso
sobre o assunto, também ajudaria bastante.
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Re: off topic: gimp
On Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 12:37:36AM -0700, Christopher Barry wrote: GIMP is a really cool graphics program, and lets you do a lot of the same things Photoshop does. A good place to get started would be the official website, gimp.org. Alexander Gutfraind wrote: Hello Fellow Debian Users! I've noticed that many sites promoting linux and free software point that their site was built by GIMP. can anybody tell me what is GIMP? Where can I get it for a test drive? Of course, GIMP 1.0 is already included in Debian 2.0 beta (Hamm), so for those installing Hamm, you could install gimp at the same time without compiling it yourself. :-) Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Anthony Fok Tung-LingCivil and Environmental Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Alberta, Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep smiling! *^_^* Come visit Our Lady of Victory Camp -- http://olvc.home.ml.org/ or http://www.ualberta.ca/~foka/OLVC/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
off topic: gimp
Hello Fellow Debian Users! I've noticed that many sites promoting linux and free software point that their site was built by GIMP. can anybody tell me what is GIMP? Where can I get it for a test drive? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: off topic: gimp
GIMP is a really cool graphics program, and lets you do a lot of the same things Photoshop does. A good place to get started would be the official website, gimp.org. Alexander Gutfraind wrote: Hello Fellow Debian Users! I've noticed that many sites promoting linux and free software point that their site was built by GIMP. can anybody tell me what is GIMP? Where can I get it for a test drive? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: off topic: gimp
Alexander Gutfraind wrote: Hello Fellow Debian Users! I've noticed that many sites promoting linux and free software point that their site was built by GIMP. can anybody tell me what is GIMP? Where can I get it for a test drive? Debian packages: $ dpkg -l | grep gimp hi gimp0.99.29-1 The layers-based, non-Motif GNU Image Manipu hi gimp-data-extra 0.99a-1An extra set of brushes, palettes, and gradi ii gimp-nonfree0.99.29-1 GIF and TIFF support for the GNU Image Manip hi libgimp10.99.29-1 Libraries necessary to run the GIMP -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /de v/null -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress; my God, in him will I trust. Psalms 91:2 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
