old handicam movie camera and kino

[Gene Heskett]

Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card, does not 
now work with kino, no remote controls.

kino does recognize the device in it prefs and calls it by its name, a 
DCR-TRV460NTSC.

What do I do to ident the error? It used to work with libraw1394, but 
that doesn't seem to be in the repo's now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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old handicam movie camera and kino

[Gene Heskett]

Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card, does not 
now work with kino, no remote controls.

kino does recognize the device in it prefs and calls it by its name, a 
DCR-TRV460NTSC.

What do I do to ident the error? It used to work with libraw1394, but 
that doesn't seem to be in the repo's now.

I think I have everything else that kino uses, dvgrab, the rest of the
1394 stuff too, recognized in dmesg as /dev/fw0, but only at S100 speed.
it S/B S400.  Or was in 2004 when this camera was new.

from dmesg:
firewire_core :06:00.0: rediscovered device fw0
[21283.489871] firewire_core :06:00.0: phy config: new root=ffc1, 
gap_count=5
[21284.001594] firewire_core :06:00.0: rediscovered device fw0
[21284.094990] firewire_core :06:00.0: created device fw1: GUID 
08004601044684e4, S100
[21286.593537] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node ffc0: reading 
config rom failed: bus reset
[22027.880117] firewire_core :06:00.0: rediscovered device fw0
[22027.880131] firewire_core :06:00.0: phy config: new root=ffc1, 
gap_count=5
[22028.391961] firewire_core :06:00.0: rediscovered device fw0
[22028.482526] firewire_core :06:00.0: created device fw1: GUID 
08004601044684e4, S100
[22031.047900] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node ffc0: reading 
config rom failed: bus reset

Am I missing the cards driver or ??

greping lsmod for firewire gets:
firewire_ohci  45056  0
firewire_core  81920  1 firewire_ohci
crc_itu_t  16384  1 firewire_core

Thanks for any advise dredged up from ancient memory.



Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[tomas]

On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 09:25:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card, does not 
> now work with kino, no remote controls.

[...]

> [21286.593537] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node ffc0: reading 
> config rom failed: bus reset

No idea about firewire, but my brain extension [1] yields some
leads which sound half-promising.

Cheers
[1] 
https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=firewire_core+%22giving+up+on+node%22+%22reading+config+rom+failed%22+%22bus+reset%22
 - t


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Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 29 August 2021 03:33:22 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 09:25:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card, does
> > not now work with kino, no remote controls.
>
> [...]
>
> > [21286.593537] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node ffc0:
> > reading config rom failed: bus reset
>
> No idea about firewire, but my brain extension [1] yields some
> leads which sound half-promising.
>
> Cheers
> [1]
> https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=firewire_core+%22giving+up+on+node
>%22+%22reading+config+rom+failed%22+%22bus+reset%22 - t
Chased down some likely suspects, and got the camera controls working so 
I can see the wedding on the tape in kino.

But if I try to unmute the audio, I get a steady stream of can't 
open /dev/dsp so I'm still missing an audio codec I think.

Usual suspects? Probably alsa-something?.

Thanks Tomas.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[tomas]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 04:55:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 29 August 2021 03:33:22 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 09:25:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card, does
> > > not now work with kino, no remote controls.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > [21286.593537] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node ffc0:
> > > reading config rom failed: bus reset
> >
> > No idea about firewire, but my brain extension [1] yields some
> > leads which sound half-promising.
> >
> > Cheers
> > [1]
> > https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=firewire_core+%22giving+up+on+node
> >%22+%22reading+config+rom+failed%22+%22bus+reset%22 - t
> Chased down some likely suspects, and got the camera controls working so 
> I can see the wedding on the tape in kino.
> 
> But if I try to unmute the audio, I get a steady stream of can't 
> open /dev/dsp so I'm still missing an audio codec I think.

Can't-open-permission-denied or can't-open-no-such-file-or-directory?

Cheers
 - t


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Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:18:46PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 04:55:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > But if I try to unmute the audio, I get a steady stream of can't 
> > open /dev/dsp so I'm still missing an audio codec I think.
> 
> Can't-open-permission-denied or can't-open-no-such-file-or-directory?

You're absolutely correct that Gene should try to get in the habit
of including *useful* information in his help requests.  This includes
exact error messages.

In this case, we can probably guess that he's missing the OSS emulation
layer.  He's probably running something so incredibly old that it
*actually* still tries to use OSS -- thus the attempts to open /dev/dsp.

unicorn:~$ ls -l /dev/dsp
ls: cannot access '/dev/dsp': No such file or directory

To solve that, he might try installing this guy:

unicorn:~$ apt-cache search alsa dsp
alsa-oss - ALSA wrapper for OSS applications
[...]

I can't claim any personal experience with it, though.  I don't know
what steps are required beyond installing the package.

Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 29 August 2021 06:18:46 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 04:55:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 29 August 2021 03:33:22 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 09:25:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card,
> > > > does not now work with kino, no remote controls.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > [21286.593537] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node
> > > > ffc0: reading config rom failed: bus reset
> > >
> > > No idea about firewire, but my brain extension [1] yields some
> > > leads which sound half-promising.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > [1]
> > > https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=firewire_core+%22giving+up+on+
> > >node %22+%22reading+config+rom+failed%22+%22bus+reset%22 - t
> >
> > Chased down some likely suspects, and got the camera controls
> > working so I can see the wedding on the tape in kino.
> >
> > But if I try to unmute the audio, I get a steady stream of can't
> > open /dev/dsp so I'm still missing an audio codec I think.
>
> Can't-open-permission-denied or can't-open-no-such-file-or-directory?
>
no such file.

Thanks Tomas
> Cheers
>  - t


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 29 August 2021 08:21:11 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:18:46PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 04:55:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > But if I try to unmute the audio, I get a steady stream of can't
> > > open /dev/dsp so I'm still missing an audio codec I think.
> >
> > Can't-open-permission-denied or
> > can't-open-no-such-file-or-directory?
>
> You're absolutely correct that Gene should try to get in the habit
> of including *useful* information in his help requests.  This includes
> exact error messages.
>
> In this case, we can probably guess that he's missing the OSS
> emulation layer.  He's probably running something so incredibly old
> that it *actually* still tries to use OSS -- thus the attempts to open
> /dev/dsp.
>
> unicorn:~$ ls -l /dev/dsp
> ls: cannot access '/dev/dsp': No such file or directory
>
> To solve that, he might try installing this guy:
>
> unicorn:~$ apt-cache search alsa dsp
> alsa-oss - ALSA wrapper for OSS applications
> [...]

That wasn't the magic twanger Greg.

from the terminal kino was launched in:

ALSA lib pcm.c:2495:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp
Could not open ALSA device "/dev/dsp": No such file or directory

thousands of them. Camera speaker is alive though.

Thanks Greg.

> I can't claim any personal experience with it, though.  I don't know
> what steps are required beyond installing the package.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[tomas]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 09:21:41AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 29 August 2021 06:18:46 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > Can't-open-permission-denied or can't-open-no-such-file-or-directory?
> >
> no such file.

Then Greg's proposal upthread might be a good bet.

Cheers & good luck
 - t


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Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 09:56:43AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 29 August 2021 08:21:11 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > To solve that, he might try installing this guy:
> >
> > unicorn:~$ apt-cache search alsa dsp
> > alsa-oss - ALSA wrapper for OSS applications
> > [...]

> > I can't claim any personal experience with it, though.  I don't know
> > what steps are required beyond installing the package.

> That wasn't the magic twanger Greg.
> 
> from the terminal kino was launched in:
> 
> ALSA lib pcm.c:2495:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp
> Could not open ALSA device "/dev/dsp": No such file or directory
> 
> thousands of them. Camera speaker is alive though.

Then it sounds like it's time to read the instructions.

Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[tomas]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 09:56:43AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

[...]

> That wasn't the magic twanger Greg.

but he was up the right path. /dev/dsp is part of the (by now
archaeological) OSS sound interface.

To make /dev/dsp "appear", you need a kernel module faking it.

For me, "sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss" does that trick [1]. Catting
/etc/passwd to it actually produces some sound, albeit the accent
is a bit... slithery ;-)

Perhaps that'll do for you, perhaps you'll need additional modules.

Proceed with fingers crossed.

Cheers
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Solved! Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 29 August 2021 10:16:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 09:56:43AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > That wasn't the magic twanger Greg.
>
> but he was up the right path. /dev/dsp is part of the (by now
> archaeological) OSS sound interface.
>
> To make /dev/dsp "appear", you need a kernel module faking it.
>
> For me, "sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss" does that trick [1]. Catting
> /etc/passwd to it actually produces some sound, albeit the accent
> is a bit... slithery ;-)

And was an endless machine gun until ctl+c'd here. cat should have ended 
at some point but I let it hammer for a good minute.  Then sound in kino 
worked, quite well in fact.

> Perhaps that'll do for you, perhaps you'll need additional modules.
>
> Proceed with fingers crossed.

Works fine, thank you guys.
>
> Cheers
>  - t


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Solved! Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[tomas]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:14:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 29 August 2021 10:16:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > [...] Catting /etc/passwd to it actually produces some sound,
> > albeit the accent is a bit... slithery ;-)
> 
> And was an endless machine gun until ctl+c'd here. cat should have ended 
> at some point but I let it hammer for a good minute.

You actually tried it :-o

I didn't expect anything meaningful out of it; just testing that there's
a path from /dev/dsp to the speakers. I was just too lazy to find out
which kind of sound format is digestible by /dev/dsp.

Funny, though, that it took so long for you. You must have a truly big
/etc/passwd...

> Then sound in kino worked, quite well in fact.

\o/

Glad it worked.

Cheers
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Re: Solved! Re: old handicam movie camera and kino

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 29 August 2021 11:57:39 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:14:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 29 August 2021 10:16:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > [...] Catting /etc/passwd to it actually produces some sound,
> > > albeit the accent is a bit... slithery ;-)
> >
> > And was an endless machine gun until ctl+c'd here. cat should have
> > ended at some point but I let it hammer for a good minute.
>
> You actually tried it :-o
>
I knew it was a test exersize that would produce gibberish at best from 
that file, and that it wuld prove the path worked. The surprising thing 
was that cat looped it endlessly.

> I didn't expect anything meaningful out of it; just testing that
> there's a path from /dev/dsp to the speakers. I was just too lazy to
> find out which kind of sound format is digestible by /dev/dsp.

> Funny, though, that it took so long for you. You must have a truly big
> /etc/passwd...

The usual stretch, I am the only user that bleeds if cut, living alone 
now, there are 3 or 4 others, "usefull idiots" playing in sandboxes they 
theroetically can't see out of.

My web page is also this box, again playing in a sandbox so I have to 
jump thru hoops to update it.

I set up iptables about 2 years back to stop the bots from mirroring it 2 
or 3 times a day, burning up my upload bandwidth, and one of those bots 
now has a /8 on the end, and you just have to know who owns it. :)
reads robots.txt, and then ignores it.

> > Then sound in kino worked, quite well in fact.
>
> \o/
>
> Glad it worked.
>
> Cheers
>  - t


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page