Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Hi, > I recall posting a few direct suggestions that I don't believe were > responded to. These issues can be difficult to resolve. List traffic's > also been high the past couple of days, and I've been thinning out mail > significantly. Yes. I succumbed to the desperation that these things sometimes engender in me. As it turned out I benefited (!) from the distraction of the first day at a new job, came home and, !refreshed from a day's work, solved the problem. > Have you looked into the suggestions that I'd made regarding > postinstallation scripts? See the embarrassed plea for forgiveness I posted at the end of the matter. A few days ago I was heaping praise upon this community for being a fount of facts. This list does fairly rock: even I, though, fall prey to the desire for instant clarification, instant gratification, instant illumination. We learn. And as I've said before (here, months ago?), the Linux realm -promotes- learning, which is one of the great things about it ... and as Ari S. Totle once said "to learn gives the liveliest pleasure." Best, G ++ http://www.burningclown.com "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 07:26:35PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Hi, > > > The document in Polish doesn't really contain anything useful regarding your > > problem. Basically it just reiterates that packages marked > > "reinstall-required" cannot be handled by dpkg unless you use > > --force-reinstreq or whatever. Dead end there :D > > Wow. Thanks for checking that out! > > Still, my basic query seems to be being batted around like a bad joke, or > ignored. Can no one advise me on why these options, which are prominently > listed in the dpkg manpages, don't seem to work? > > I -loathe- inching into 'squeaky wheel' territory, since my experience is > that the squeakiest people are sometimes (I -didn't- say "often" or > "always" so no one accuse me o' that!) the most clueless. > > I guess I need someone to tell me whether I am a) asking a stupid > question, or b) asking a question which has no answer. I'd sure like to > know. And if (a), why is it stupid? I recall posting a few direct suggestions that I don't believe were responded to. These issues can be difficult to resolve. List traffic's also been high the past couple of days, and I've been thinning out mail significantly. Currently the only record I've got of your issue locally is what you've quoted in your own message (above), so I'm lacking a lot of context. Have you looked into the suggestions that I'd made regarding postinstallation scripts? -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA!http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hirehttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpSKKCQKdgBG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Hi, > The document in Polish doesn't really contain anything useful regarding your > problem. Basically it just reiterates that packages marked > "reinstall-required" cannot be handled by dpkg unless you use > --force-reinstreq or whatever. Dead end there :D Wow. Thanks for checking that out! Still, my basic query seems to be being batted around like a bad joke, or ignored. Can no one advise me on why these options, which are prominently listed in the dpkg manpages, don't seem to work? I -loathe- inching into 'squeaky wheel' territory, since my experience is that the squeakiest people are sometimes (I -didn't- say "often" or "always" so no one accuse me o' that!) the most clueless. I guess I need someone to tell me whether I am a) asking a stupid question, or b) asking a question which has no answer. I'd sure like to know. And if (a), why is it stupid? Thanks - NOTE: if this is A REALLY STUPID QUESTION and ergo a waste of bandwidth, please flame me directly. :) Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
On August 29, 2001 06:50 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In re: > > Now it's time for surgery. > > Go find the deb file and run dpkg -c aime-whatever-.deb > > > > Just destroy all the files that are listed as being part of the package > > and judisciously scrub the c> > > OK, I'll try it. > > BUT and I do mean BUT ... this is Kafka-esque. I don't often run into a > problem that seems to get laughed away, pushed under a rug or ignored ... > that, it seems to me, is the style of the realm of proprietary software! > > :) > > Can no one tell me why the options involving 'reinstreq' just don't seem > to ... work on my machine? Why they are seemingly unrecognized when the > manual, in fact, prominently lists them? > > A search on 'reinstreq' on the debian.org website turns up one document > ... in Polish. There are several bug reports for [the testing version of] > dpkg, but a cursory look doesn't reveal anything relevant. > > I'm running a custom 2.4.8 kernel, but the only thing I customized was > module versioning ... this couldn't have anything to do with the problem, > could it? I'm fishin' here, and I'm a vegetarian - so you know I'm > desperate! > > Thanks, > > Glenn > > ++ > http://www.burningclown.com > "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" > ++ The document in Polish doesn't really contain anything useful regarding your problem. Basically it just reiterates that packages marked "reinstall-required" cannot be handled by dpkg unless you use --force-reinstreq or whatever. Dead end there :D -- Kamil Kisiel www.speechlessarts.com
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
In re: > Now it's time for surgery. > Go find the deb file and run dpkg -c aime-whatever-.deb > > Just destroy all the files that are listed as being part of the package > and judisciously scrub the c> OK, I'll try it. BUT and I do mean BUT ... this is Kafka-esque. I don't often run into a problem that seems to get laughed away, pushed under a rug or ignored ... that, it seems to me, is the style of the realm of proprietary software! :) Can no one tell me why the options involving 'reinstreq' just don't seem to ... work on my machine? Why they are seemingly unrecognized when the manual, in fact, prominently lists them? A search on 'reinstreq' on the debian.org website turns up one document ... in Polish. There are several bug reports for [the testing version of] dpkg, but a cursory look doesn't reveal anything relevant. I'm running a custom 2.4.8 kernel, but the only thing I customized was module versioning ... this couldn't have anything to do with the problem, could it? I'm fishin' here, and I'm a vegetarian - so you know I'm desperate! Thanks, Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
On 28 Aug 2001 23:47:12 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Arrgh ... on -all- of these I get > > dpkg: unknown force/refuse option 'reinstreq' > > wtf? i say, wtf? ... I'm reading the same man pages that are recommending > the same things that get called 'unknown' when I try to invoke them. Now it's time for surgery. Go find the deb file and run dpkg -c aime-whatever-.deb Just destroy all the files that are listed as being part of the package and judisciously scrub the c> > G > > ++ > http://www.burningclown.com > "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" > ++ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > onfig files from /etc or wherever. I'd also make a backup of /var/lib/dpkg/status and then edit the status field for aime to not installed since I have the feeling that the package tools will bomb on this too. I'd wait and see if someone else has comments since I haven't done this before and I THINK (let me say that again - I THINK) this should work. --mike
Re: [OT] package in a bad way - what to do
On 28 Aug 2001 21:30:39 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:01:12PM -0500, Michael Heldebrant ([EMAIL > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On 28 Aug 2001 22:51:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > <...> > > > > I keep thinking, hey, this is a MUD server thang, it can't have fingers in > > > too many of the system pies (can it?), isn't there a way just to rip it > > > out piece by piece, by hand? But I recall being here before. > > > > Take a shot of whiskey and type: > > dkpg --force-remove-reinstreq aime > > > > That should wipe it clean off. If not, drink more whiskey or other > > beverage of choice. > > Hmmm... > > Methinks d-u is starting to push it a bit for the most-sociable-place- > on-line-to-get-GNU/Linux-support award. > > $ telnet kitenet.net > > Now where'd I put that Old No. 5? Yeah it's kinda like cheers: Running linux in the world today takes everything you've got. Taking a break (SIGHUP) from all your systems, sure would help a lot. Wouldn't you like to get away (or burn the damn thing in gasoline)? Sometimes you want to post Where everybody knows your bug, and they're always glad you came (unless you top post or use HTML). You wanna read where you can see, linux troubles are all the same You wanna be where everybody knows Your bug. You wanna post where people know, which permissions you need to change, You wanna post where everybody knows your bug. Shamelessly stolen from Cheers. -mike
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Arrgh ... on -all- of these I get dpkg: unknown force/refuse option 'reinstreq' wtf? i say, wtf? ... I'm reading the same man pages that are recommending the same things that get called 'unknown' when I try to invoke them. G ++ http://www.burningclown.com "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
On 28 Aug 2001 23:24:25 -0500, Michael Heldebrant wrote: > On 28 Aug 2001 23:08:04 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > Okay: > > > > > Take a shot of whiskey and type: > > > dkpg --force-remove-reinstreq aime > > > > Did this. And got this: > > > > dpkg: need an action option > > > > Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; > > Use dselect for user-friendly package management; > > Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; > > Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; > > Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; > > Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) > > [*]. > > > > Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or > > `more' ! > > > > > > > > ... which is weird, yes? Because I GAVE it an action option. I typed it > > 'zackly. Have no whuskey in th' house. I tried typing some of those > > 'force' options before posting, too, and got similar messages. > > > > > That should wipe it clean off. If not, drink > > > more whiskey or other beverage of choice. > > > > If I had some Old Bushmills here and didn't have to go to work in the > > morning, you bet I would. Phew. Why why why. > > > >From dpkg man page: > > reinst-required > A package marked reinst-required is broken and > requires reinstallation. These packages cannot be > removed, unless forced with option --force-reinĀ > streq. > > lesse here if dpkg --force-reinstreq doesn't work I'd just mallet it > with dpkg --force-all. > > Enjoy at least one shot if it works. I think I've had too many now. It should be dpkg --force-(things) remove aime. Try the first, second, and then third(mallet) option in succession. --mike
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
on Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:01:12PM -0500, Michael Heldebrant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 28 Aug 2001 22:51:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: <...> > > I keep thinking, hey, this is a MUD server thang, it can't have fingers in > > too many of the system pies (can it?), isn't there a way just to rip it > > out piece by piece, by hand? But I recall being here before. > > Take a shot of whiskey and type: > dkpg --force-remove-reinstreq aime > > That should wipe it clean off. If not, drink more whiskey or other > beverage of choice. Hmmm... Methinks d-u is starting to push it a bit for the most-sociable-place- on-line-to-get-GNU/Linux-support award. $ telnet kitenet.net Now where'd I put that Old No. 5? -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA!http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hirehttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpqWEuYlL73Z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
On 28 Aug 2001 23:08:04 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Okay: > > > Take a shot of whiskey and type: > > dkpg --force-remove-reinstreq aime > > Did this. And got this: > > dpkg: need an action option > > Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; > Use dselect for user-friendly package management; > Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; > Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; > Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; > Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*]. > > Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' > ! > > > > ... which is weird, yes? Because I GAVE it an action option. I typed it > 'zackly. Have no whuskey in th' house. I tried typing some of those > 'force' options before posting, too, and got similar messages. > > > That should wipe it clean off. If not, drink > > more whiskey or other beverage of choice. > > If I had some Old Bushmills here and didn't have to go to work in the > morning, you bet I would. Phew. Why why why. >From dpkg man page: reinst-required A package marked reinst-required is broken and requires reinstallation. These packages cannot be removed, unless forced with option --force-reinĀ streq. lesse here if dpkg --force-reinstreq doesn't work I'd just mallet it with dpkg --force-all. Enjoy at least one shot if it works. --mike
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Okay: > Take a shot of whiskey and type: > dkpg --force-remove-reinstreq aime Did this. And got this: dpkg: need an action option Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; Use dselect for user-friendly package management; Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*]. Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' ! ... which is weird, yes? Because I GAVE it an action option. I typed it 'zackly. Have no whuskey in th' house. I tried typing some of those 'force' options before posting, too, and got similar messages. > That should wipe it clean off. If not, drink > more whiskey or other beverage of choice. If I had some Old Bushmills here and didn't have to go to work in the morning, you bet I would. Phew. Why why why. G ++ http://www.burningclown.com "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
On 28 Aug 2001 22:51:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > dpkg -r someprogram > > > > and let us know your results. > > Here's what came back: > > dpkg: error processing aime (--remove): > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > Errors were encountered while processing: > aime > > > ... essentially the same thing. :( > > > maybe i used dselect? I don't remember. Try everything. > > I tried dselect as well. Nada. > > I keep thinking, hey, this is a MUD server thang, it can't have fingers in > too many of the system pies (can it?), isn't there a way just to rip it > out piece by piece, by hand? But I recall being here before. Take a shot of whiskey and type: dkpg --force-remove-reinstreq aime That should wipe it clean off. If not, drink more whiskey or other beverage of choice. --mike
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
> dpkg -r someprogram > > and let us know your results. Here's what came back: dpkg: error processing aime (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: aime ... essentially the same thing. :( > maybe i used dselect? I don't remember. Try everything. I tried dselect as well. Nada. I keep thinking, hey, this is a MUD server thang, it can't have fingers in too many of the system pies (can it?), isn't there a way just to rip it out piece by piece, by hand? But I recall being here before. ... it's making me feel stupid. I hate that. G ++ http://www.burningclown.com "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
on Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 06:18:14PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Hi, > > As has happened sometimes in the past, I've got a package that seems to be > in "trouble," and I can't figure out what to do with it ... since it never > -really- seems to get all the way installed. I'd like to just do away with > it entirely. > > The package in question is the MUD server aime. Here is what I'm currently > getting back from apt-get dist-upgrade: > > Reading Package Lists... > Building Dependency Tree... > The following packages have been kept back > cygnus-stylesheets filters scilab > 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. > 1 packages not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 614kB of archives. After unpacking 4096B will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main > aime 0.59-3 [614kB] > Fetched 614kB in 10s (59.3kB/s) > (Reading database ... 142823 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to replace aime 0.59-2 (using .../archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb) ... > Stopping MUD Server: dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error > exit status 1 You might want to take a look at this script (it lives in /var/lib/dpkg/info/aim.prerm), and figure out what it's trying to do. You *can* edit this file and modify it if you can see what needs to be fixed. Might also check the bugs filed on aime. See 'bugview', part of the 'bug' package. In this case it appears there are none. > dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... > Stopping MUD Server: dpkg: error processing > /var/cache/apt/archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb (--unpack): > subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 > Starting MUD Server: /etc/init.d/aime: line 68: 11304 File size limit > exceededstart-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec > $DAEMON -- -q > dpkg: error while cleaning up: > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 153 > Errors were encountered while processing: > /var/cache/apt/archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Other general suggestions: $ dpkg --configure -a # try to (re)configure all # missing/unconfigured packags. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA!http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hirehttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpqil5mv4rzT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 07:39:16PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > > Have you tried apt-get --purge remove > > Just did this. I got the following > > Reading Package Lists... > Building Dependency Tree... > The following packages will be REMOVED: > aime* > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 3 not upgraded. > 1 packages not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 2408kB will be freed. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] dpkg: error processing aime (--purge): > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > Errors were encountered while processing: > aime > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > > > ... how do I reinstall the thing? Is 'reinstallation' distinct from plain > installation? I tried downloading the .deb directly and dpkg -i installing > it ... no go. I want this freakin' thing off my machine. Is there a way to > effect that? > > Thanks, > > G > been there. apt-get's too smart for its own good. Use a program lower on the cybernetic intelligence tree. i got out of it, but i don't remember exactly. try dpkg -r someprogram and let us know your results. maybe i used dselect? I don't remember. Try everything. -- *** Dr P's Book Knowledge, Hell's Bibliophiles, and * somewhere over the rainbow, a 99% text-only website * * http://209.24.112.224/DrPseudocryptonym/ * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** spam ok **
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Hi, > Have you tried apt-get --purge remove Just did this. I got the following Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... The following packages will be REMOVED: aime* 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 3 not upgraded. 1 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 2408kB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] dpkg: error processing aime (--purge): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: aime E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ... how do I reinstall the thing? Is 'reinstallation' distinct from plain installation? I tried downloading the .deb directly and dpkg -i installing it ... no go. I want this freakin' thing off my machine. Is there a way to effect that? Thanks, G
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Have you tried apt-get --purge remove --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > As has happened sometimes in the past, I've got a > package that seems to be > in "trouble," and I can't figure out what to do with > it ... since it never > -really- seems to get all the way installed. I'd > like to just do away with > it entirely. > > The package in question is the MUD server aime. Here > is what I'm currently > getting back from apt-get dist-upgrade: > > Reading Package Lists... > Building Dependency Tree... > The following packages have been kept back > cygnus-stylesheets filters scilab > 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove > and 3 not upgraded. > 1 packages not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 614kB of archives. After unpacking 4096B > will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 > http://http.us.debian.org testing/main aime 0.59-3 > [614kB] > Fetched 614kB in 10s (59.3kB/s) > (Reading database ... 142823 files and directories > currently installed.) > Preparing to replace aime 0.59-2 (using > .../archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb) ... > Stopping MUD Server: dpkg: warning - old pre-removal > script returned error exit status 1 > dpkg - trying script from the new package instead > ... > Stopping MUD Server: dpkg: error processing > /var/cache/apt/archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb > (--unpack): > subprocess new pre-removal script returned error > exit status 1 > Starting MUD Server: /etc/init.d/aime: line 68: > 11304 File size limit exceededstart-stop-daemon > --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec > $DAEMON -- -q > dpkg: error while cleaning up: > subprocess post-installation script returned error > exit status 153 > Errors were encountered while processing: > /var/cache/apt/archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code > (1) > > > Trying to apt-get remove does not help; I downloaded > the pkg to another > place and tried to dpkg -i from there and that > didn't work either. > > Is there a fairly straightforward way to just get > this damned thing off my > system? It's probably a simple matter of > configuration, but I've got too > much else to futz with now to be futzing with this > ... > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Glenn > > ++ > http://www.burningclown.com > "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" > ++ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
package in a bad way - what to do
Hi, As has happened sometimes in the past, I've got a package that seems to be in "trouble," and I can't figure out what to do with it ... since it never -really- seems to get all the way installed. I'd like to just do away with it entirely. The package in question is the MUD server aime. Here is what I'm currently getting back from apt-get dist-upgrade: Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... The following packages have been kept back cygnus-stylesheets filters scilab 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. 1 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 614kB of archives. After unpacking 4096B will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main aime 0.59-3 [614kB] Fetched 614kB in 10s (59.3kB/s) (Reading database ... 142823 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace aime 0.59-2 (using .../archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb) ... Stopping MUD Server: dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... Stopping MUD Server: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 Starting MUD Server: /etc/init.d/aime: line 68: 11304 File size limit exceededstart-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec $DAEMON -- -q dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 153 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Trying to apt-get remove does not help; I downloaded the pkg to another place and tried to dpkg -i from there and that didn't work either. Is there a fairly straightforward way to just get this damned thing off my system? It's probably a simple matter of configuration, but I've got too much else to futz with now to be futzing with this ... Any advice would be appreciated. Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" ++