Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-10 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/09/2010 09:29 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
  
  This doesn't add up - how can Gmail work if POP isn't functional?  What
  tool are you trying to POP with?  What port, etc.?
 Telnet or openssl s_client would be the most straightforward testing method:

 http://www.anta.net/misc/telnet-troubleshooting/pop.shtml

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-10 Thread Celejar
[Please reply to the list and not to me personally.]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:00:08 -0500
Paul Cartwright deb...@pcartwright.com wrote:

 On 11/09/2010 09:06 PM, Celejar wrote:
  Don't know - works here.  Does the Gmail importer work for you?
   
   yes!  
  This doesn't add up - how can Gmail work if POP isn't functional?  What
  tool are you trying to POP with?  What port, etc.?
 that's a good question.. all I know is I have a gmail folder that has
 all my yahoo.com emails in it..
 I just forgot to add a gmail account into thunderbird:)

You misunderstand - I'm asking you how *you've* tried to POP directly
from Yahoo - with what tool, settings, etc.?

 gmail uses a 3rd party app called trueswitcher to make the transfer of
 email, contacts, etc from yahoo, it isn't pop3..
 
 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=guide.csguide=25413topic=25415answer=166833
 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=guide.csguide=25413topic=25415answer=166833
 
 *Note:* If you don't see a dialog box like the one below, it's because
 we can't use TrueSwitch to handle your import. Instead, we will try to
 use Mail Fetcher, a Gmail-internal feature. You can find detailed
 information about Mail Fetcher
 https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=21288.

Hm, when I navigate Google, I never get to that TrueSwitch stuff:

http://mail.google.com/support/
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?hl=entopic=28647
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=56283

I don't know how you ended up there - I see that your urls have a
different structure, with 'static' in them.  No idea, and I don't have
the patience to figure out Gmail's internals.

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-10 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/10/2010 08:57 AM, Celejar wrote:
 You misunderstand - I'm asking you how *you've* tried to POP directly
 from Yahoo - with what tool, settings, etc.?
I let thunderbird figure it out. And when I try to connect **YAHOO**
says NO, that email address is not allowed to get pop3 mail. So the
settings don't matter, yahoo knows that it isn't a pop3-illegible account

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-10 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:39:43 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

 On 11/10/2010 08:57 AM, Celejar wrote:

 You misunderstand - I'm asking you how *you've* tried to POP directly
 from Yahoo - with what tool, settings, etc.?

 I let thunderbird figure it out. And when I try to connect **YAHOO**
 says NO, that email address is not allowed to get pop3 mail. So the
 settings don't matter, yahoo knows that it isn't a pop3-illegible
 account

Sorry for the noise but... did anyone try to connect to Yahoo via IMAP? 
It seems to be responding:

s...@stt008:~$ telnet imap.mail.yahoo.com 143
Trying 212.82.96.94...
Connected to imap.mail.eu.am0.yahoodns.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 ID NAMESPACE X-ID-ACLID UIDPLUS LITERAL+ 
XAPPLEPUSHSERVICE LOGINDISABLED AUTH=XYMCOOKIE AUTH=XYMECOOKIE 
AUTH=XYMCOOKIEB64 AUTH=XYMPKI STARTTLS] IMAP4rev1 
imapgate-0.7.65_12.286037 imap404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com

Or is it also restricted to paid accounts? 

Wikipedia seems to say it is open for everyone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Mail#Free_IMAP_and_SMTPs_access

Maybe fetchmail is capable to work this way...

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-10 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/10/2010 10:16 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 s...@stt008:~$ telnet imap.mail.yahoo.com 143
 Trying 212.82.96.94...
 Connected to imap.mail.eu.am0.yahoodns.net.
 Escape character is '^]'.
 * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 ID NAMESPACE X-ID-ACLID UIDPLUS LITERAL+ 
 XAPPLEPUSHSERVICE LOGINDISABLED AUTH=XYMCOOKIE AUTH=XYMECOOKIE 
 AUTH=XYMCOOKIEB64 AUTH=XYMPKI STARTTLS] IMAP4rev1 
 imapgate-0.7.65_12.286037 imap404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com

 Or is it also restricted to paid accounts? 

 Wikipedia seems to say it is open for everyone:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Mail#Free_IMAP_and_SMTPs_access

 Maybe fetchmail is capable to work this way...
I didn't try fetchmail ( yet) but I was able to setup IMAP port 993, and
get connected.
great! now just don't tell Yahoo!

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-10 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:36:09 -0500
Paul Cartwright deb...@pcartwright.com wrote:

 On 11/10/2010 10:16 AM, Camaleón wrote:
  s...@stt008:~$ telnet imap.mail.yahoo.com 143
  Trying 212.82.96.94...
  Connected to imap.mail.eu.am0.yahoodns.net.
  Escape character is '^]'.
  * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 ID NAMESPACE X-ID-ACLID UIDPLUS LITERAL+ 
  XAPPLEPUSHSERVICE LOGINDISABLED AUTH=XYMCOOKIE AUTH=XYMECOOKIE 
  AUTH=XYMCOOKIEB64 AUTH=XYMPKI STARTTLS] IMAP4rev1 
  imapgate-0.7.65_12.286037 imap404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com
 
  Or is it also restricted to paid accounts? 
 
  Wikipedia seems to say it is open for everyone:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Mail#Free_IMAP_and_SMTPs_access
 
  Maybe fetchmail is capable to work this way...
 I didn't try fetchmail ( yet) but I was able to setup IMAP port 993, and
 get connected.
 great! now just don't tell Yahoo!

And as I've said, getmail is working fine here with POP over SSL at
port 995.

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-09 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:21:17 +0200
Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Lu, 08 nov 10, 06:10:06, Paul Cartwright wrote:
  On 11/08/2010 03:20 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: Because Yahoo has paid
  only POP3 access. You can however let another
   free provider fetch your yahoo mail, like Gmail or GMX, both offer quite
   good IMAP/POP access
  
  I didn't realize that you could import Yahoo email into GMail.. but it
  DOES use yet another third party app:
  http://www.trueswitch.com/gmail/terms/index_en.html?lang=en
  and it is limited, and it is a beta, and it will only pull in mail for
  up to 30 days.
 
 Nope. See
 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enctx=mailanswer=21288 
 
 (Yes, it says your provider has to have POP access, but it works for me 
 with my Yahoo account and so did GMX.

Whoa.  This sounded really weird - is Gmail scraping Yahoo?  Or do they
have a private deal to get POP access?  Why would Yahoo do that?

So I began to try it myself - but when I saw that it was clearly a POP
setup, right before handing over my Yahoo password to Gmail, I thought
that I'd better try POP myself first.  So I fired up getmail, and
voilà!  Vanilla POP access!

Yahoo still claims that you only get POP access if you sign up for Mail
Plus:

 Do I have to sign up for Yahoo! Mail Plus to POP my mail?
 
 Last Updated: August 31, 2010
 
 The ability to access Yahoo! Mail via a POP3 email client (such as
 Outlook or Outlook Express) is only available to customers of our
 premium  Yahoo! Mail Plus service.
 
 If you have not purchased the  Yahoo! Mail Plus service, you will be
 unable to retrieve messages via an email client. To determine whether
 or not you have purchased this service, please visit the My Services
 page.

*shrugs*

FWIW, I'm using POP over SSL at port 995:

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-09 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/09/2010 03:25 PM, Celejar wrote:
 So I began to try it myself - but when I saw that it was clearly a POP
 setup, right before handing over my Yahoo password to Gmail, I thought
 that I'd better try POP myself first.  So I fired up getmail, and
 voilà!  Vanilla POP access!

 Yahoo still claims that you only get POP access if you sign up for Mail
 Plus:
 *shrugs*

 FWIW, I'm using POP over SSL at port 995:
 I tried it:
Sending of password did not succeed. Mail server pop.mail.yahoo.com
responded: pop not allowed for user.

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-09 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:47:14 -0500
Paul Cartwright deb...@pcartwright.com wrote:

 On 11/09/2010 03:25 PM, Celejar wrote:
  So I began to try it myself - but when I saw that it was clearly a POP
  setup, right before handing over my Yahoo password to Gmail, I thought
  that I'd better try POP myself first.  So I fired up getmail, and
  voilà!  Vanilla POP access!
 
  Yahoo still claims that you only get POP access if you sign up for Mail
  Plus:
  *shrugs*
 
  FWIW, I'm using POP over SSL at port 995:
  I tried it:
 Sending of password did not succeed. Mail server pop.mail.yahoo.com
 responded: pop not allowed for user.

Don't know - works here.  Does the Gmail importer work for you?

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-09 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/09/2010 07:55 PM, Celejar wrote:
   FWIW, I'm using POP over SSL at port 995:
   I tried it:
  Sending of password did not succeed. Mail server pop.mail.yahoo.com
  responded: pop not allowed for user.
 Don't know - works here.  Does the Gmail importer work for you?

yes! would be nicer if I didn't have to go through 3 gateways, but it
does work..

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-09 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:54:07 -0500
Paul Cartwright deb...@pcartwright.com wrote:

 On 11/09/2010 07:55 PM, Celejar wrote:
FWIW, I'm using POP over SSL at port 995:
I tried it:
   Sending of password did not succeed. Mail server pop.mail.yahoo.com
   responded: pop not allowed for user.
  Don't know - works here.  Does the Gmail importer work for you?
 
 yes! would be nicer if I didn't have to go through 3 gateways, but it
 does work..

This doesn't add up - how can Gmail work if POP isn't functional?  What
tool are you trying to POP with?  What port, etc.?

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Celejar put forth on 11/9/2010 8:06 PM:
 On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:54:07 -0500
 Paul Cartwright deb...@pcartwright.com wrote:
 
 On 11/09/2010 07:55 PM, Celejar wrote:
 FWIW, I'm using POP over SSL at port 995:
  I tried it:
 Sending of password did not succeed. Mail server pop.mail.yahoo.com
 responded: pop not allowed for user.
 Don't know - works here.  Does the Gmail importer work for you?

 yes! would be nicer if I didn't have to go through 3 gateways, but it
 does work..
 
 This doesn't add up - how can Gmail work if POP isn't functional?  What
 tool are you trying to POP with?  What port, etc.?

Telnet or openssl s_client would be the most straightforward testing method:

http://www.anta.net/misc/telnet-troubleshooting/pop.shtml

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-08 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 08 nov 10, 07:49:13, Camaleón wrote:
 
 Another question... why not using Fetchmail for Yahoo account? :-?

Because Yahoo has paid only POP3 access. You can however let another 
free provider fetch your yahoo mail, like Gmail or GMX, both offer quite 
good IMAP/POP access.

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-08 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:20:58 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

 On Lu, 08 nov 10, 07:49:13, Camaleón wrote:
 
 Another question... why not using Fetchmail for Yahoo account? :-?
 
 Because Yahoo has paid only POP3 access. You can however let another
 free provider fetch your yahoo mail, like Gmail or GMX, both offer quite
 good IMAP/POP access.

Nor IMAP? How bad ;-(

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/08/2010 02:49 AM, Camaleón wrote: pre wrap=
 Maybe because fetchyahoo is by-passing Postfix (Procmail) and directly
 storing e-mails under the specified location.
could very well be, I didn't read any of the fetchyahoo code, just the
config file.


 Another question... why not using Fetchmail for Yahoo account? :-?

that IS the reason I use fetchyahoo, because without it, you can't get
yahoo via POP3 without a paid account, you only get the web access.

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/08/2010 03:20 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: Because Yahoo has paid
only POP3 access. You can however let another
 free provider fetch your yahoo mail, like Gmail or GMX, both offer quite
 good IMAP/POP access

I didn't realize that you could import Yahoo email into GMail.. but it
DOES use yet another third party app:
http://www.trueswitch.com/gmail/terms/index_en.html?lang=en
and it is limited, and it is a beta, and it will only pull in mail for
up to 30 days.


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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-08 Thread Tom Ashley
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:00:45 -0500
Paul Cartwright deb...@pcartwright.com wrote:

 On 11/08/2010 02:49 AM, Camaleón wrote: pre wrap=
  Maybe because fetchyahoo is by-passing Postfix (Procmail) and
  directly storing e-mails under the specified location.
 could very well be, I didn't read any of the fetchyahoo code, just the
 config file.
 
 
  Another question... why not using Fetchmail for Yahoo account? :-?
 
 that IS the reason I use fetchyahoo, because without it, you can't get
 yahoo via POP3 without a paid account, you only get the web access.
 

Actually you can get yahoo via POP3 or IMAP without a paid account by
designating the Yahoo! Asia server in account settings for regional
site.  There is no charge for the service in Asia.

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/08/2010 07:32 AM, Tom Ashley wrote:
 Actually you can get yahoo via POP3 or IMAP without a paid account by
 designating the Yahoo! Asia server in account settings for regional
 site. There is no charge for the service in Asia.

actually, I like the Gmail option, since I already have a Gmail
account.. and Gmail setup in Thunderbird with an IMAP account.. and it
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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-08 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 08 nov 10, 06:10:06, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 On 11/08/2010 03:20 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: Because Yahoo has paid
 only POP3 access. You can however let another
  free provider fetch your yahoo mail, like Gmail or GMX, both offer quite
  good IMAP/POP access
 
 I didn't realize that you could import Yahoo email into GMail.. but it
 DOES use yet another third party app:
 http://www.trueswitch.com/gmail/terms/index_en.html?lang=en
 and it is limited, and it is a beta, and it will only pull in mail for
 up to 30 days.

Nope. See
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enctx=mailanswer=21288 

(Yes, it says your provider has to have POP access, but it works for me 
with my Yahoo account and so did GMX.

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working-GMAIL import of Yahoo

2010-11-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/08/2010 02:21 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
  I didn't realize that you could import Yahoo email into GMail.. but it
  DOES use yet another third party app:
  http://www.trueswitch.com/gmail/terms/index_en.html?lang=en
  and it is limited, and it is a beta, and it will only pull in mail for
  up to 30 days.
 Nope. See
 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enctx=mailanswer=21288 

 (Yes, it says your provider has to have POP access, but it works for me 
 with my Yahoo account and so did GMX.
 thanks, I did set it up!

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postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-07 Thread Paul Cartwright
I am trying to change my mail  output on Debian Lenny to IMAP, using my
Maildir folder.. I've changed /etc/postfix/main.cf
and /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf

and here is what my postconf -d output shows:

home_mailbox = 
mail_name = Postfix
mail_owner = postfix
mail_release_date = 20080902
mail_spool_directory = /var/mail
mail_version = 2.5.5

dovecot -n shows this:
mail_location: maildir:~/Maildir

/etc/postfix/main.cf has this:
 
home_mailbox = Maildir/

/etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf has this:
dovecot.conf:mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir

I'm still getting mail in /var/mail
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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-07 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:13:05 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

 I am trying to change my mail  output on Debian Lenny to IMAP, using my
 Maildir folder.. I've changed /etc/postfix/main.cf and
 /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
 
 and here is what my postconf -d output shows:
 
 home_mailbox =
 mail_name = Postfix
 mail_owner = postfix
 mail_release_date = 20080902
 mail_spool_directory = /var/mail
 mail_version = 2.5.5

postconf -d will print out your Postfix default settings, not the 
actual. Better issue postconf | grep home_mailbox.

 dovecot -n shows this:
 mail_location: maildir:~/Maildir

Right.
 
 /etc/postfix/main.cf has this:
  
 home_mailbox = Maildir/

Right. This should override the previous default empty setting. Remember 
to reload (or restart) Postfix for the change to be applied (/etc/init.d/
postfix reload)
 
 /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf has this:
 dovecot.conf:mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir
 
 I'm still getting mail in /var/mail
 what am I missing?

home_mailbox has preference over mail_spool_directory but is has to 
be defined. Try by reloading postfix.

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-07 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/07/2010 08:32 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 home_mailbox has preference over mail_spool_directory but is has to 
 be defined. Try by reloading postfix.
not sure if you are familiar with fetchyahoo, but I use it to get my
yahoo email, bring it in to my IMAP folder. I'm not sure what magic it
does, but it is the ONLY local app. that utilizes my IMAP folder.
which is amazing, after I just looked at my fetchyahoorc file:
# set use-imap to 1 to enable output to an IMAP mailbox
use-imap = 0
imap-host = imap.example.com
imap-port = 143
imap-username = imap-user-name
imap-password = imap-password
imap-mailbox = INBOX


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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-07 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:47:55 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

 On 11/07/2010 08:32 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 home_mailbox has preference over mail_spool_directory but is has to
 be defined. Try by reloading postfix.

 not sure if you are familiar with fetchyahoo, but I use it to get my
 yahoo email, bring it in to my IMAP folder. I'm not sure what magic it
 does, but it is the ONLY local app. that utilizes my IMAP folder. which
 is amazing, after I just looked at my fetchyahoorc file: # set use-imap
 to 1 to enable output to an IMAP mailbox use-imap = 0
 imap-host = imap.example.com
 imap-port = 143
 imap-username = imap-user-name
 imap-password = imap-password
 imap-mailbox = INBOX

Maybe you can put your .fetchmailrc settings (avoid displaying 
sensitive data like passwords), or maybe you can explain how are you 
fetching the e-mail from the rest of your accounts :-?

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-07 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:07:02 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:47:55 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

(from the other thread...) 

 I have dovecot  postfix set
 to enable Maildir  IMAP, but it doesn't seem to be working.. dovecot
 log shows:
 2010-11-07 12:15:45 IMAP(pbc): Info: Disconnected in IDLE bytes=181/6886
 2010-11-07 12:16:08 dovecot: Info: Dovecot v1.2.15 starting up (core
 dumps disabled)
 2010-11-07 12:16:25 imap-login: Info: Login: user=pbc, method=PLAIN,
 rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1, secured 2010-11-07 12:16:35 imap-login:
 Info: Login: user=pbc, method=PLAIN, rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1,
 secured
 
 so dovecot is working, but postfix keeps sending emails to
 /var/mail/USER .
 
 # grep Maildir /etc/postfix/main.cf
 home_mailbox = Maildir/

Did you reload Postfix service? 

Also, attach the output of postconf | grep home_mailbox.

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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-07 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/07/2010 04:07 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 Maybe you can put your .fetchmailrc settings (avoid displaying 
 sensitive data like passwords), or maybe you can explain how are you 
 fetching the e-mail from the rest of your accounts :-?
other than the fetchyahoo that does send my yahoo email to my local IMAP
user account, all of the domain emails are pulled from my domain host
using fetchmail. Up until recently that was done to my /var/mail/USER
account. Each line of the fetchmailrc file had user=$MY_LOCAL_USER account.


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Re: postfix dovecot- IMAP/Maildir format not working

2010-11-07 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:03:40 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

 On 11/07/2010 04:07 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 Maybe you can put your .fetchmailrc settings (avoid displaying
 sensitive data like passwords), or maybe you can explain how are you
 fetching the e-mail from the rest of your accounts :-?

 other than the fetchyahoo that does send my yahoo email to my local IMAP
 user account, all of the domain emails are pulled from my domain host
 using fetchmail. Up until recently that was done to my /var/mail/USER
 account. Each line of the fetchmailrc file had user=$MY_LOCAL_USER
 account.

Maybe because fetchyahoo is by-passing Postfix (Procmail) and directly 
storing e-mails under the specified location.

Another question... why not using Fetchmail for Yahoo account? :-?

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